Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[contricusc]

Iam not a Russian supporter
I support Ukraine's cause for autonomy but I just hate Zelensky and his incompetency. What kind of idiot do you need to be to trust American demorcrats and to involve yourself in a war against an opponent that this 5 times your size in nearly every aspect by giving him an excuse to invade you

Zelensky didn’t start the war. He was elected on a platform of reconciliation with Russia and trying to end the conflict. But Putin was having none of it, as he wanted to grab more land and change the regime in Kyiv, to bring back his old serfs in power and keep Ukraine as a vassal state, in the same way he keeps Belarus.

Russia didn’t need excuses to invade. They invaded because they didn’t want Ukraine to prosper as a free country and join the EU in the future. In this case, Zelensky had no choice but to rally his country to defend against the aggession.

I am not a fan of Zelensky, he has many failings, but he couldn’t avoid the war, and he certainly didn’t started it. One of his biggest failings is that he didn’t prepare enough for the war because he mistakenly though he could avoid it. Poroshenko was much more hawkish against Russia and would have been much better prepared against the invasion.

I will say it again; the kursk operation was meant to force Putin to relocate some of the Donabss fighters to the Kursk frontline in order to alleviate the immense pressure on Ukrainian army;[hell, reports on X (from pro-Ukrainian sources) were appearing that Ukrainian servicemen had to stay 30-40 days without being rotated while Russians where changing regularly on a 3-day basis..... this obviously failed!!]

Nobody knows what was the purpose of the Kursk operation. Of course that the Ukrainians will state to the media that they did it to allievate the pressure in the Donbass, in order to look defensive in nature, but it would be silly to take their word at face value considering the situation.

It is much more likely that they did it because they saw an opening and wanted to exploit it. They were able to capture a lot of land and to take many prisoners (for future exchanges) with relatively little losses, so the operation makes perfect sense from a strategic point of view. It would have been a waste to send those troops in the defence where they can’t explot the advantage of combined arms tactics and where the front is static.

Also, the operation raises the morale of Ukrainian troops and boosts the recruiting efforts, as people are more optimistic now and many Ukrainians are inspired by the idea of taking Russian land, as opposed to fighting a defensive battle where they are on the retreat.

Now Ukraine just opened another large front that it has no other choice but to invade deep in..... sooner or later, all the Ukrainian soldiers will be so deep that they will sooner or later get killed within the heart of Russia while Russia keeps on grabbing strategic lands within Donbass rhat they couldnt get for 2 years

They have the choice to go as deep as they want and can. Nobody forces them to overextend and reach indefensible positions. They are trying to move the frontier to the Seym river, which is a very defensible line that would not require a lot of effort to sustain. My assumption is that Ukraine will take the land that it can without heavy losses, and then fortify the positions that are easier to defend. Then, they can try to exploit other gaps in Russian defenses along the long border.

Let the Russians burn through their forces on a grinding assault in the Donbass where they get very little land for very big losses, while the Ukrainians take undefended lands near the border with little losses and lots of POWs. And on top of that, this is also causing political trouble at home for Putin, as Russians will not be happy to trade 1000 sqkm in Russia for 50 sqkm in the Donbass.

 

[Relic]

Lots of news today...

Ukraine struck and destroyed the Russian ferry in the port of Kavkaz that Russia has been using to transport rail cars worth now supplies to Crimea.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1826654449194205455

Ukraine struck the Marinovka air base in the Volgograd region, destroying an ammunition storage facility and several hangars that may have held Russian fighter jets. Hours later there will still secondary detonations.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1826493453619913175

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1826656864102482186

Ukraine struck and destroyed the Russian ammunition and fuel storage facility on the Kinburn Spit.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1826502661169934657

Aftermath of the Ukrainian strike on the Oktyabrsky airfield in Russia. Ukraine definitely hit something there.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/1ey87o4
Ukraine continues to hammer Russian air defense systems along the front. Over the last few days The 77th Airmobile Brigade alone destroyed 2x Tor, 1x Strela-10 and 1x Buk air defense system.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFoot...ne_take_out_russian_air_defense_complexes_2x/

 

[guest12]

Iam not a Russian supporter
I support Ukraine's cause for autonomy but I just hate Zelensky and his incompetency. What kind of idiot do you need to be to trust American demorcrats and to involve yourself in a war against an opponent that this 5 times your size in nearly every aspect by giving him an excuse to invade you

I will say it again; the kursk operation was meant to force Putin to relocate some of the Donabss fighters to the Kursk frontline in order to alleviate the immense pressure on Ukrainian army;[hell, reports on X (from pro-Ukrainian sources) were appearing that Ukrainian servicemen had to stay 30-40 days without being rotated while Russians where changing regularly on a 3-day basis..... this obviously failed!!]

Now Ukraine just opened another large front that it has no other choice but to invade deep in..... sooner or later, all the Ukrainian soldiers will be so deep that they will sooner or later get killed within the heart of Russia while Russia keeps on grabbing strategic lands within Donbass rhat they couldnt get for 2 years

Zelensky is not a idiot hes doing exact mission given to him this war had one goal from very start : To push Russia to nuke Ukranians.

Once this happens any hope of reviving economic connection between Franco-German duo and Russia will be cut off for at least 50 years.Russia will sanctioned internationally and crippled after this U.S. will start atacking China by using Taiwan and Philipines.This war started sole purpose of containing Russia with sanctions afterwards U.S/U.K. start their war againts China.

Both France and Germany pro-Russian nations (both on state and population level) thats why they refused to give any substantional help to Ukranian at start of this conflit.Only after U.S./U.K. media outlets start publishing countless stories about war crimes commited by Russian forces and public opinion in West turned againts Russians they were forced to help Ukrainians.

Germany/France duo still hoping this war will end soon and they will revive their past economic relationship with Russia again.Even now they are advicing Putin to not the use nuclear weapons but this is a futile attepmt.At the end of this war Ukrania will be nuked , U.S./U.K. accomplish their goals and with that Zelenksy's mission will be completed.

 

[contricusc]

Germany/France duo still hoping this war will end soon and they will revive their past economic relationship with Russia again.Even now they are advicing Putin to not the use nuclear weapons but this is a futile attepmt.At the end of this war Ukrania will be nuked , U.S./U.K. accomplish their goals and with that Zelenksy's mission will be completed.

So your opinion is that Putin is so stupid that despite all the advice he received from his friends in France and Germany, he still fell into the trap set up by the UK-US axis, and even now, despite the obvious trap, he will fall again and nuke Ukraine. If that is the case, Putin is completely retarded, and Russia deserves whatever bad things will happen to them for electing such a retarded leader.

 

[Lool]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1826911422787272837

 

[Spitfire9]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1826911422787272837

I think it was a good political move to occupy some lightly defended Russian territory. Whether or not there is any strategic value militarily does not matter. I think that Ukraine should build up defences and try to defend the Kursk enclave.

With Russian supplies from across the river prevented by blowing the 3 bridges it should cost Russia the lives of a lot of soldiers to retake it. Ideally for Ukraine it should cost Russia the lives of a lot of soldiers to try to retake it but to fail to do so.

 

[guest12]

So your opinion is that Putin is so stupid that despite all the advice he received from his friends in France and Germany, he still fell into the trap set up by the UK-US axis, and even now, despite the obvious trap, he will fall again and nuke Ukraine. If that is the case, Putin is completely retarded, and Russia deserves whatever bad things will happen to them for electing such a retarded leader.

Russia no longer have manpower to countinue this war conventional manner recent Ukranian offensive into Kursk gone proves that.Once F-16s came real defeat of Russia will be begin Rusian armed forces will lose air superiorty not just in Ukrainia but Russia itself.Ukranians will go deeper and deeper Russian territory while Moscow influences slowly decrease from border regions while various western operators embedded into Ukranian units also trigger minority rebellions across Russian federation.Putin/Russia will have not have any options than using nukes to protect territorial integrarity of Russian federation .Only way this scenario will not happens if U.S. elections won by Trump.

 

[TheInsider]

Ukraine should fortify the west of the river on the Kursk axis and try to hold on to the areas Ukranian forces captured. This will free some brigades Ukraine committed to the Kursk offensive. Ukraine should redeploy them to the Donbas front to stabilize the situation.

 

[Lool]

Ukraine should fortify the west of the river on the Kursk axis and try to hold on to the areas Ukranian forces captured. This will free some brigades Ukraine committed to the Kursk offensive. Ukraine should redeploy them to the Donbas front to stabilize the situation.

Here is the problem
As far as my info goes, kursk is a flat area and difficult to defend
Therefore, if Ukraine did do your theory, then I expect them to lose kursk back to the Russian forces within 2 months albeit with a bit more casualities on the Russian side

When it comes to such a point; I would start wondering, what was the point of the kursk operation if they were set to lose it again to the Russians in the first place.... and keep in mind that whatever Russia gains in Donbass would be extremely difficult for Ukraine to retake back

The only solution for Ukraine in the kursk frontline is to go deeper and deeper until Putin capitulates which is never gonna happen. Consequently, the kursk operation was a failure

 

[Bojan]

@TheInsider
Why do you think so? In Kursk oblast Ukraine still wages war of maneuver with prospect of gaining all territory south of Seym river, now that the bridges over that river are destroyed and Kursk can no longer be transport hub for Russians on Kharkiv direction. In Donbass or Kherson direction these, some of the best Ukrainian troops would be engaged in positional warfare against superior Russian artillery, gaining nothing. It's wrong in the war to hold territory that offers no tactical advantage, so Ukrainians made a good move.

Just look at river Seym that passes through Kursk, no bridges equals harder logistics for Russians on Kharkiv direction https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seym_(river)#/map/0

 

[Soldier30]

An episode of the battle, the Russian BMP-3 of the "Anvar" detachment, with the Ukrainian BMP-2 and armored group in the Kursk region of Russia in the village of Russkaya Konopelka. This battle caused heated discussions on the network, due to the fact that the BMP-2 shown in the video was considered Russian. At first glance, it looks like this, the Ukrainian tactical sign of a triangle, for an unknown reason was not finished and it began to look like a Russian sign with the letter "V". But later the situation became clear when the Ukrainian media UNIAN confirmed that the BMP-2 with this sign was Ukrainian. Despite this, many questions remained about the battle, why the BMP-3 did not hit the Ukrainian M-113 armored personnel carrier from close range, perhaps it was shooting at another target located far away. The result of the battle, three Ukrainian combat vehicles "Kozak", BMP-2 were destroyed, some of them presumably by drones, there are also reports about the M-113 armored personnel carrier, but it was not shown in the video anymore. The video has been shortened, the dead soldiers have been cut out. Technical information about the equipment is on the channel.

 

[Bojan]

Here is the problem
As far as my info goes, kursk is a flat area and difficult to defend
Therefore, if Ukraine did do your theory, then I expect them to lose kursk back to the Russian forces within 2 months albeit with a bit more casualities on the Russian side

When it comes to such a point; I would start wondering, what was the point of the kursk operation if they were set to lose it again to the Russians in the first place.... and keep in mind that whatever Russia gains in Donbass would be extremely difficult for Ukraine to retake back

The only solution for Ukraine in the kursk frontline is to go deeper and deeper until Putin capitulates which is never gonna happen. Consequently, the kursk operation was a failure

The point is always in war to inflict more casualties on the enemy than casualties on own troops. So even in your scenario Ukraine would inflict more casualties to enemy side. If I may quote: Holding ground is non-essential in war (Von Manstein).

 

[UkroTurk]

Some idiots from Turkish TV channels saying: " Russia will nuke Kursk region as it is Russian soil , it won't ignite nuclear war with NATO."

 

[Lool]

The point is always in war to inflict more casualties on the enemy than casualties on own troops. So even in your scenario Ukraine would inflict more casualties to enemy side. If I may quote: Holding ground is non-essential in war (Von Manstein).

Mate
Russia is 120 million while Ukraine is only around 20 million
Inflicting more casualities is only beneficial when the two nations are nearly equal when it comes to numbers but not when they are 6 times more than you

Furthermore, dont believe the western media too much.... while it is true that Ukraine caught hundreds of Russian soldiers in kursk, they are nothing more than canoon fodder as well as kids; on the other hand, Ukraine's causualities in kursk will be composed of the elite of the elite of the Ukrainian military

It just doesnt even out..... those troops would have been better utilised if they reinforced the Donbass which is Putin's main objective from the beginning

Russia is starting to take cities that it tried to capture for 2 years in a matter of weeks..... this is just insane
I mean, just look at this

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1826992676622733415

 

[Lool]

Some idiots from Turkish TV channels saying: " Russia will nuke Kursk region as it is Russian soil , it won't ignite nuclear war with NATO."

If Russia did use nukes, then he will nuke all of Ukraine and not Kursk
Moreover, even if Russia used nukes, NATO wont retaliate with nukes but with sanctions at best since if NATO used nukes then Russia will use nukes as well

 

[contricusc]

Russia no longer have manpower to countinue this war conventional manner recent Ukranian offensive into Kursk gone proves that.Once F-16s came real defeat of Russia will be begin Rusian armed forces will lose air superiorty not just in Ukrainia but Russia itself.Ukranians will go deeper and deeper Russian territory while Moscow influences slowly decrease from border regions while various western operators embedded into Ukranian units also trigger minority rebellions across Russian federation.

You’re more optimistic even than I am when it comes to Ukraine’s chances to win this conflict. Your scenario so far sounds really good.

Putin/Russia will have not have any options than using nukes to protect territorial integrarity of Russian federation .

They have a very easy option to defend their territory. They can negotiate with Ukraine the retreat from all the occupied lands. If they withdraw from Ukraine, than Ukraine will leave any occupied territories in Russia.

Only way this scenario will not happens if U.S. elections won by Trump.

Trump is a wildcard. Nobody knows how he will approach this conflict if he becomes president. But Putin always has the option to end the war by withdrawing from Ukraine. It is really not that difficult.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

If Russia did use nukes, then he will nuke all of Ukraine and not Kursk
Moreover, even if Russia used nukes, NATO wont retaliate with nukes but with sanctions at best since if NATO used nukes then Russia will use nukes as well

That Nuclear umbrella is kind of a joke anyway. You either have your own or you don't.

 

[Bojan]

Mate
Russia is 120 million while Ukraine is only around 20 million
Inflicting more casualities is only beneficial when the two nations are nearly equal when it comes to numbers but not when they are 6 times more than you

Furthermore, dont believe the western media too much.... while it is true that Ukraine caught hundreds of Russian soldiers in kursk, they are nothing more than canoon fodder as well as kids; on the other hand, Ukraine's causualities in kursk will be composed of the elite of the elite of the Ukrainian military

It just doesnt even out..... those troops would have been better utilised if they reinforced the Donbass which is Putin's main objective from the beginning

Russia is starting to take cities that it tried to capture for 2 years in a matter of weeks..... this is just insane
I mean, just look at this

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1826992676622733415

Russia is about 146 million people and Ukraine about 47 million but that doesn't matter because armies are always much smaller, and you can't send draftees and policemen to fight in the frontlies. Armies fight, not the whole population. Also, Russian objective is not only Donbass region but destroying Ukraine as a nation and putting in Kyiv Russian marionette regime. This Kursk incursion proved that Russians are already stretched thin with vast borders with no defense, because they had no even two brigades to spare for the defense of Kursk oblast, that they are ineffective in strategic and operational level because they allowed Donbass offensive to degrade to positional trench warfare, and had shown very little of modern (WWII era and newer) warfare. Meanwhile Ukrainians will use river Seym as natural defensive line if the situation worsens. Also, Russians progress in Donbass region which proclaimed secession on Ukraine in favor of Russia where population is friendly to them while Ukraine in Kursk region does not and look at the gains of both sides since August 6th.

 

[Bojan]

You’re more optimistic even than I am when it comes to Ukraine’s chances to win this conflict. Your scenario so far sounds really good.



They have a very easy option to defend their territory. They can negotiate with Ukraine the retreat from all the occupied lands. If they withdraw from Ukraine, than Ukraine will leave any occupied territories in Russia.



Trump is a wildcard. Nobody knows how he will approach this conflict if he becomes president. But Putin always has the option to end the war by withdrawing from Ukraine. It is really not that difficult.

As far as I can tell Trump could be even more hawkish then current Biden administration. For Putin withdrawing from Ukraine would be a defeat, key reason Russia entered the war was to prevent Ukraine joining NATO.

 

[Spitfire9]

As far as I can tell he could be even more hawkish then current Biden administration. For Putin withdrawing from Ukraine would be a defeat, key reason Russia entered the war was to prevent Ukraine joining NATO.

Before being attacked there was always the chance that Russia would choose to attack Ukraine. Now Russia has demonstrated that risk was very grave by attacking Ukraine, I would say that Ukraine's only chance of future security is to be part of some mutual military alliance. In negotiations to end the war Ukraine cannot agree to anything less than joining NATO in my opinion.