Live Conflict War in Afghanistan

[Nilgiri]

Correct me if I am wrong, but weren't you pro secularism ?

I know that Pakistan was founded as a Islamic country, but your laws aren't based on sharia (right ?), though I recall @Saiyan0321 mentioning how even his law professors were sometimes interpreting things according to Sharia and not the actual Law.

How is IEA Sharia laws going to mesh with Pakistan's laws. Though I understand you imagine that each country will be governed by their own laws. You still have quite a handful of Pashtuns who may prefer IEA laws, thus creating a rift of sorts. (Does my question make sense ?).

I think Pakistan needs to make it clear with regard to borders and there being two countries, and enforce strict control.

Might want to read this since cpl months have now passed:

Pakistani Taliban: a Cause of Concern For Islamabad - Daily Times

Attacks carried out by Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) aka Pakistani Taliban have increased to the highest level in over four years after the US left Afghanistan and the Afghan Taliban took power. The TTP has been emboldened by the developments in next-door Afghanistan. This has complicated the...

dailytimes.com.pk

Then follow up with the news of what TTP is demanding from Pakistan's establishment in the "amnesty" talks lately....

This is same Taliban that murdered many children in cold blood (APS) and tried to murder Malala as well before that....as just two highlights of many many more....

Yet TTP in itself becomes a euphemism acronym to differentiate from AFG taliban.....for purposes of a british cleaved border.

....and the establishment is forthcoming for amnesty to them anyway....when this was never a basic approach to deal with the Bengalis (engaging in far less against the establishment) and a whole productive half of a country.

@AlphaMike @Jackdaws @VCheng

I will add some rejoinders to this elsewhere later (and tag all of you) as to what the broader psychology chasm going on is....that plays itself out like a beaten worn out record....

One needs to have a good selection of wise well read Pakistanis as friends and acquaintances to really get the full picture.

Saiyan (whom I count among these) is presently occupied with number of personal matters on his end....hopefully he frees up for 2022.

 

[Kaptaan]

for purposes of a british cleaved border.

And did the Martians cleave that border India has with China, Myanmar etc?

This is same Taliban that murdered many children in cold blood (APS) and tried to murder Malala as well before that....as just two highlights of many many more

The same Irgun, Hagana terrorists went on to make Israel, the same child murdering IRA got elected to the Stormont after the British government made peace with them. So finding a way to achieve peace is often the best way forward.

 

[Kaptaan]

Meantime FM Qureshi and Gen. Hameed are in Kabul taling with the 'boys'.

 

[Nilgiri]

And did the Martians cleave that border India has with China, Myanmar etc?

These borders dont have massive population/tribe that rests on both sides of it.....that has certain proclivities among its "ultras" on top.

The colonial borders have not been kind in Africa for similar reason.

The same Irgun, Hagana terrorists went on to make Israel, the same child murdering IRA got elected to the Stormont after the British government made peace with them. So finding a way to achieve peace is often the best way forward.

It needs a modicum of competence (which the UK, Irish, Israel all have in amounts needed), and that is lacking in very many ways in this particular area.

I'll watch this decade and be glad to be proven wrong though.

 

[Kaptaan]

These borders dont have massive population/tribe that rests on both sides of it.....that has certain proclivities among its "ultras" on top.

So, the British drawn border between India and Bangladesh does not have 'massive population'? Furthermore the Tibeto-Burman population of India is as large as the Pashtun population in Afghanistan.

The Tibeto-Burman speaking groups categorised as tribes constitute 12.5% of the total population of Assam, 68.79% in Arunachal Pradesh, 35.14% in Manipur, 94.44% in Mizoram, 86.46% in Nagaland and 31.76% in Tripura.

The Tibeto Burmans of India have populations and area that would be greater than many countries in the world. Seems to me you just plucked this vague idea of 'massive' as way to conveniently slip India through the net.

As I said almost every border in South Asia, Middle East, Africa etc was drawny by British, French or Russians. In case your not aware the Tajik peoples, the Turkic Uzbeks, Turkmens also were 'cleaved' by the British/Russian empires. The Afghan border in the north was drawn by British officials working for the Raj in conjunction with Russians.

There is nothing conspicious about the Duran Line anymore than McMahon line between China and India over which you guys regularly recieved a beating at hands of PLA.

 

[Nilgiri]

So, the British drawn border between India and Bangladesh does not have 'massive population'? Furthermore the Tibeto-Burman population of India is as large as the Pashtun population in Afghanistan.

The Tibeto-Burman speaking groups categorised as tribes constitute 12.5% of the total population of Assam, 68.79% in Arunachal Pradesh, 35.14% in Manipur, 94.44% in Mizoram, 86.46% in Nagaland and 31.76% in Tripura.

The Tibeto Burmans of India have populations and area that would be greater than many countries in the world. Seems to me you just plucked this vague idea of 'massive' as way to conveniently slip India through the net.

As I said almost every border in South Asia, Middle East, Africa etc was drawny by British, French or Russians. In case your not aware the Tajik peoples, the Turkic Uzbeks, Turkmens also were 'cleaved' by the British/Russian empires. The Afghan border in the north was drawn by British officials working for the Raj in conjunction with Russians.

There is nothing conspicious about the Duran Line anymore than McMahon line between China and India over which you guys regularly recieved a beating at hands of PLA.

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The Bengalis have something like the Taliban operating on both sides?

News to me.

We will be celebrating 50th anniversary of liberation with them soon.

Pakistan is invited as always, but I doubt it will show up.

Rest of this I dont really see the point....competence is proven rather than nitpicked for assumed correlations.

You are more than free to see if Pakistan and/or Afghanistan turn out anything in any competence under the taliban and smorgasbord hybrid system Pakistan has in its case.

Chess GMs, intellectual property, corporate structures that matter, patents granted internationally, consumption fundamentals, trade ,investment....you name it.

The stuff thats provable to any other 3rd party directly and easily.

This decade will just add another chapter and you can see it for yourself.

 

[Kaptaan]

Something else quite evident in the language map of India. Northern Sri Lanka and South of India - particularly the Tamil speaking region should have been one country aas opposed to using the narrow straits as a excuse to create a cleave between Tamil from other Tamils.

As noted earlier Arunchal Pradesh is majority Tibeto- Burman. Ditto Manipur or Ladakh. The borders including them in India were drawn by British without any correlation with facts on the ground.

 

[Kaptaan]

The Bengalis have something like the Taliban operating on both sides?

My referance was to the 'British cleave' you referanced. How did or does the British drawn borders have in making or breaking Taliban? Non.

 

[Kaptaan]

My reply was with referance to what you said below - which I can;t find now. Have you deleted it? The quote "British cleaved border".

 

[Nilgiri]

My referance was to the 'British cleave' you referanced. How did or does the British drawn borders have in making or breaking Taliban? Non.

Where did I say its to do with creating the Taliban?

It is more to do with the differentiation made between the "two" Talibans, when really they are one.

 

[Nilgiri]

My reply was with referance to what you said below - which I can;t find now. Have you deleted it? The quote "British cleaved border".

Its still up there on my screen....*shrug*....anyway I will join convo later (maybe another 10 pages later etc).....this is just circular exercise now.

 

[Gary]

hoho

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1451154756697673728

 

[Nilgiri]

Something else quite evident in the language map of India. Northern Sri Lanka and South of India - particularly the Tamil speaking region should have been one country aas opposed to using the narrow straits as a excuse to create a cleave between Tamil from other Tamils.

Languages are not the be all end all. Canada and US speak the same language....along with the UK....yet are separate nation states....but allied in larger sense.

The nationstate formation/inheritance is never ideal.....but over time with competence...they can bulk up, find peace and work together for common benefit.....no matter how bloody even a recent past might have been.

Take a look at the EU for example.

The key lies with competence and bulking up.

 

[Tonil]

hoho

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1451154756697673728

What is this even suppose to be some sort of a comeback joke

 

[Tonil]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1451044820563202051

 

[Tonil]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1449640804360720392

 

[Tonil]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1448602313866678274

 

[Gary]

What is this even suppose to be some sort of a comeback joke

nahh, I've always maintained that Afghanistan is a NATO victory.

 

[Gary]

nahh, I've always maintained that Afghanistan is a NATO victory.

As I said before, war is politics by other means, war is an option to compel your foe into accepting your demands when other political options failed.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1451157316993232900

 

[Tonil]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1451157316993232900

Okay..