Indonesia Casual Discussion Warkop Indonesia

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1734377475806056717

Ayo, ada yang mau ditumbal?

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1734384971987693996

 

[Gary]

hehe cancel F-15EX buy shahed-136

 

[Gary]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1734356393241825607

Tetangga butuh nambah hull cepat

AL Filipina lagi ekspansi

HDC-3100 from under construction, karena yang bangun negara major shipbuilding kyk SoKor kyknya bisa deh dalam 1-2 tahun kedepan selesai, 3 tahun mungkin sama sister ship nya.

Dalam waktu singkat surface combatant PN bisa sejajar dengan RMN.

2x HDC-3100
6x OPV HDP-2500
1x 2nd hand ship

 

[Lordimperator]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1734384971987693996

Turkiye stuff under excalibur will be spared or not?

 

[Lordimperator]

AL Filipina lagi ekspansi

HDC-3100 from under construction, karena yang bangun negara major shipbuilding kyk SoKor kyknya bisa deh dalam 1-2 tahun kedepan selesai, 3 tahun mungkin sama sister ship nya.

Dalam waktu singkat surface combatant PN bisa sejajar dengan RMN.

2x HDC-3100
6x OPV HDP-2500
1x 2nd hand ship

Laut Barat mereka lagi diobok obok,

 

[chibiyabi]

Actually, if what Tempo and Ade Armando of PSI said were true, TPN Ganjar–Mahfud is the one that helped by US consultant(s). AA accused Andi W. of met with “Washington lobbyist(s)” in a Middle East country November this year, talked about possible backtrack of natural resources downstreaming (hilirisasi), which okay for me. We unilaterally does that but we cannot sell it or whatever EU will do to us kan gak lucu juga.

Edit: Kalo mau invest, ya invest; gak, ya gak. Gak usah dibatasin mentahnya gak boleh diekspor biar mau gak mau invest di sini biar bisa ngirim yang udah setengah jadi (nambah investment sama lapangan pekerjaan). Yang ada males, mending lari beli ke Filipina yang nikelnya banyak juga, walaupun gak sebanyak Indonesia.

sekarang itu nickel cuma diarahkan ke baterai, padahal jelas Stainless steel itu belum ada contender lain selain pake nickle. klo baterai sudah mulai banyak bahan selain nickel. buat saya sih lebih baik stop mentah kyk gini. biarkan saja baterai jadi industry yg cepat hype cepat juga turun (nickel terlalu mahal buat baterai), yg penting logam dasar/stainless steel kita pegang

 

[Gary]

Selalu ada nilai tambah kalau 3 negara ASEAN di utara kita memodernisasi militer mereka. Kalau dipikir-pikir ekspansi militer Filipina dan modernisasi militer Vietnam dan Malaysia itu bisa berfungsi sebagai tameng tambahan di untuk secara tidak langsung melindung wilayah RI. IKN misalnya bakal secara tidak langsung diperkuat TUDM yang punya stasiun radar dan homebase pespur di Labuan. Mau tidak mau PLAAF kalau mau menyerbu IKN harus lewat wilayah udara Filipina + Malaysia Timur dulu, sebelum berhadapan dengan satuan pespur + SAM TNI-AU di sekitaran IKN. Begitu juga kota-kota penting di Sumatra (Medan, Pekanbaru) yang kalau jadi sasaran serangan udara/cruise missile PLA mau tidak mau harus melintas wilayah udara Malaysia dulu di semenanjung Malaysia yang notabene bakal di-intercept dulu oleh 12 Squadron (Su-30MKM) dan 18 Squadron (F/A-18D) sebelum di-intercept lagi past-selat Melaka oleh Skadron 12 dan 3 (Lanud RSN).

Mudah-mudahan kalau perang pecah di Taiwan, konflik nya bakal terbatas di Taiwan-FIlipina-Jepang (laut dan udara) dan Vietnam (darat).

 

[schuimpjes]

Just knew that New Order’s BAKIN allegedly had overseas operation that was killed NU politician named Subchan ZE in Saudi Arabia during the 70s.

Kind of like Carl Gustaf m/45 but idk

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1734377475806056717

Ayo, ada yang mau ditumbal?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1734384971987693996

hehe cancel F-15EX buy shahed-136

Turkiye stuff under excalibur will be spared or not?

how much could be spared if these were canceled?
- Mirage 2000 (700 million)
- AEW&C (800 million)
- Khan (???)
- Trisulla (???)

 

[Gary]

how much could be spared if these were canceled?
- Mirage 2000 (700 million)
- AEW&C (800 million)
- Khan (???)
- Trisulla (???)

I prefer the M2000s, Khan and AWACS out

-not a big fan of M2000s
-Khan is mostly deterent against Malaysia and Singapore
-AWACS could wait as well, if we're planning to fight China within an alliance, we could expect American AWACS to provide for the air force. + command and control could still be provided by GCI radar although it will not be as good as AWACS.

Other than that, fast jets is in dire need.

 

[Lordimperator]

how much could be spared if these were canceled?
- Mirage 2000 (700 million)
- AEW&C (800 million)
- Khan (???)
- Trisulla (???)

Khan Trisula more than 500 mil euros total, with Trisula alone priced 460 mil usd.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0fVb6AWv7Eoi8dF7nYJrLb8a2io2kTL1RvBvDTRTantUd83NYf9Xj3v68tnq4QMkl&id=1142532878&mibextid=Nif5oz

 

[Lordimperator]

I prefer the M2000s, Khan and AWACS out

-not a big fan of M2000s
-Khan is mostly deterent against Malaysia and Singapore
-AWACS could wait as well, if we're planning to fight China within an alliance, we could expect American AWACS to provide for the air force. + command and control could still be provided by GCI radar although it will not be as good as AWACS.

Other than that, fast jets is in dire need.

Singapore have land and naval based aster 30 tho

 

[satria]

IMO, bodoh lah kita lebih milih f15 daripada khan, pertahanan blum siap mo ikutan nyerang ... kalo terpaksa rafael bisa buat nyerang mereka di laut, yang penting beli rudalnya yang banyak ...

 

[Parry Brima]

Jadi disetiap calon ada kadar US kan ya:
01: anak emas, petemuan wakil US ke PKS.
02: kerjasama militer, deal dengan Boeing.
03: lobi hilirisasi

Tetap aja sih di 03 banyak Wumao dan Vatniknya jadi ya sama aja.

Iya sih 03 yg plg bnyk wumao dan vatniknya.

Yg relatif bersih dr wumao dan vatnik 01.

02 msh ada pengaruh vatniknya kyknya, plg ga kl ngliat idenya prabowo ttg russia vs ukraina di singapur dl itu.

how much could be spared if these were canceled?
- Mirage 2000 (700 million)
- AEW&C (800 million)
- Khan (???)
- Trisulla (???)

Ga bakal cukup. Hrg total F-15EX + FREMM bs nembus > $10 B

 

[this is crunch]

Iya sih 03 yg plg bnyk wumao dan vatniknya.

Yg relatif bersih dr wumao dan vatnik 01.

02 msh ada pengaruh vatniknya kyknya, plg ga kl ngliat idenya prabowo ttg russia vs ukraina di singapur dl itu.



Ga bakal cukup. Hrg total F-15EX + FREMM bs nembus > $10 B

how about to pause rafale batch 3 ?

 

[Umigami]

Iya sih 03 yg plg bnyk wumao dan vatniknya.

Yg relatif bersih dr wumao dan vatnik 01.

02 msh ada pengaruh vatniknya kyknya, plg ga kl ngliat idenya prabowo ttg russia vs ukraina di singapur dl itu.



Ga bakal cukup. Hrg total F-15EX + FREMM bs nembus > $10 B

waktu pengajuan kemarin, Kemendan minta 2.4 billion buat Eagle.

 

[Umigami]

IMO, bodoh lah kita lebih milih f15 daripada khan, pertahanan blum siap mo ikutan nyerang ... kalo terpaksa rafael bisa buat nyerang mereka di laut, yang penting beli rudalnya yang banyak ...

Ya pilih F15 lah, TBM di MEF aja gak masuk perasaan.

 

[Umigami]

I prefer the M2000s, Khan and AWACS out

-not a big fan of M2000s
-Khan is mostly deterent against Malaysia and Singapore
-AWACS could wait as well, if we're planning to fight China within an alliance, we could expect American AWACS to provide for the air force. + command and control could still be provided by GCI radar although it will not be as good as AWACS.

Other than that, fast jets is in dire need.

Khan Trisula more than 500 mil euros total, with Trisula alone priced 460 mil usd.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0fVb6AWv7Eoi8dF7nYJrLb8a2io2kTL1RvBvDTRTantUd83NYf9Xj3v68tnq4QMkl&id=1142532878&mibextid=Nif5oz

So it's around 2 billion then,
- Mirage 2000 (730 million USD)
- AEW&C (800 million USD)
- Khan + trisulla (539 million USD)

ayo ada lagi yang mau masuk tumbal?

 

[Lordimperator]

how about to pause rafale batch 3 ?

cant, its top priority i suppose.