TR Air Defence Programs

[TheInsider]

This is certainly quadpackable at 550mm in width. Range numbers are "conservative" we went over that in the past.

 

[Trakya_forever]

@TheInsider Have you heard anything about Roketsan NLOS missile?

 

[TheInsider]

Nothing as of today other than it will be a continuation of current ATGM projects. So don't expect anything exotic like Kuzgun-KY. Warhead and diameter will probably be the same with UMTAS., A bigger rocket engine for more range and a better IIR seeker will probably be added for the NLOS version.

 

[Lonewolf]

The only reason is probably because the other missiles had more times to mature and evolve based on passed experiences, whilst we are only recently getting into these types of missiles. In time the weight to range ratio will probably be similar to equivelant systems.

Others are based on experience of high thrust requirements air to air missile . Hisar isn't .

 

[Yasar_TR]

Our missiles are heavier and bigger yet compared to the other missiles have less range and altitude? Why is that?

I have feeling that we love over engineering when we produce defence weapon platforms.
If you check out the technology used in our Hisar range of missiles you will find that the dual pulse rocket motor tech we use is probably going to give us the the best probability of hitting targets.
Almost all of the listed missiles in there are missiles either converted from or transformed technology that is used in air to air missile systems.
Probably because it is cheaper and is a proven tech of meeting targets when used as a2a.
We however, have chosen a missile system that uses half of it’s fuel to get close to the target, then uses the rest of the fuel when the target is acquired to make sure that it doesn’t miss.
The missiles are bigger and heavier because of the different method of thrust generation.
Although weight wise and diameter wise our missiles are bigger, length wise they are comparable to the others on the list.
Given range and altitude values are most probably very conservative!

 

[Oublious]

If you connect two systems, it is possible that both systems can 'infiltrate' each other by communication port access.

Impossible, we are talking about high tech defence product. Only thing that will be done is translating Russian software to Turkish console. Ther is no data-link and not possible. Second batch S-400 with ToT in software will be possible.

 

[Huelague]

Impossible, we are talking about high tech defence product. Only thing that will be done is translating Russian software to Turkish console. Ther is no data-link and not possible. Second batch S-400 with ToT in software will be possible.

Nothing is impossible. Expect that Russian give us source code.

 

[Oublious]

Nothing is impossible. Expect that Russian give us source code.

S400 will be intregated in Turkish network, only thing what will use data is Turkish software, so still not understand how a single direction information will be able to hack Turkish software .

 

[Ka-52 Alligator]

Does anyone knows the unit cost of Hisar-A+ and Korkut ?

 

[Zafer]

Does anyone knows the unit cost of Hisar-A+ and Korkut ?

You probably need to place a preorder to find out.

 

[Ka-52 Alligator]

You probably need to place a preorder to find out.

Oh ok , thanks i think we will buy a chinese alternative

 

[Zafer]

Oh ok , thanks i think we will buy a chinese alternative

Because they are what?

 

[Hexciter]

İsmail Demir:
"With HİSAR-A+/O+, we have formed a containment envelope up to ~20 km. We will create a containment envelope of around 70 and 100 kilometers on the road with the SİPER. Then we will rise above it and move towards a system with the S-400 setting. "

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1434840175373344771

 

[Cabatli_TR]

İsmail Demir:
"With HİSAR-A+/O+, we have formed a containment envelope up to ~20 km. We will create a containment envelope of around 70 and 100 kilometers on the road with the SİPER. Then we will rise above it and move towards a system with the S-400 setting. "

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1434840175373344771

Multi-layered air defence systems will be shaped;

8/10km, 20km, 40km, 70km, 100km, 150km...etc

A new missile with a range of 400km (S400 equivalent) will be revealed in 5 years.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Mr I Demir has spoken to TRT News about Air Defence issues, TFX and other ongoing defence projects; Some of the bullet points were:
- Kara Atmaca : We are about to commission the land to land version of Atmaca missile.
- On EW area: We, recently have fielded very important products for EW purposes.
- On AD: Until Siper is active, we will have a defensive perimeter of 70-100km with our current capability. With the addition of Siper we will go above this range. Following this we will have a defensive system at the level of S400.
- We are aiming to have an AD system that is at the same level as S400.

I am not very keen on the correlation he is making with S400. The Russian system may be great for Russia. But will it cut it when it comes to our needs? I had rather see a system that has been tailored to our specific needs.
Last two paragraphs are very important as far as I am concerned.
- Regarding our UCAVs , he is mentioning that as we have used our UCAVs in various battlefields, our adversaries now are aware of the way we use them and of their capabilities. And know what to expect. And if we stopped here and did not develop it further would be wrong. So we have to go on to newer technologies and be unstoppable in this area.
- Re: MIUS and Space Rocket programme: He states that he, personally can’t wait to see them.

Both MIUS and Space Rocket programmes will open new avenues and horizons for us. To further our knowledge and capability in these two, will allow us and push us in to areas that will be groundbreaking for our defence program.
Only thing I have missed in these points was the hypersonic missile development initiative! I hope that we are spending some of our efforts in that area as well.

• (Kara ATMACA) “Atmaca füzesinin karadan karaya versiyonunu devreye almak üzereyiz.”
• (Elektronik harp) “Son dönemlerde elektronik harp için çok önemli ürünleri sahaya verdik.”
• (Hava savunma şemsiyesi) “Siper’e kadar 70-100 km önleme menzili oluşturacağız. Siper sistemiyle bunun üzerine çıkacağız. Daha sonra S-400 seviyesinde bir hava savunma sistemimiz olacak.”
• “S-400 ayarında bir yerli hava savunma sistemine doğru gidiyoruz, önümüze 5 yıllık bir hedef koyduk.”
• (Savunma ihracatındaki süreç) “Bir izin süreci var. Dışişleri ve Milli Savunma Bakanlıklarının analizleri sonucu izin belgesi veriliyor. Ülkeye, şartlara bakılıyor. Şirketlerimiz ve bizler alınan yeşil ışığa göre adım atıyoruz.”
• “750’yi aşkın projemiz hala devam ediyor. Bu projelerin bedeli yaklaşık 70 milyar dolar.”
• “Tank motorumuz şu an test aşamasında. Motor konusunda bir seferberliğimiz var.”
• “İnsansız hava araçlarının deniz platformlarında, uçak gemisi gibi araçlarda konuşlandırma çalışmalarımız devam ediyor.”
• (MMU projesi için ortaklıklar) “İş birliği yapmak isteyen ülkelerle kendi şartlarımızla konuşuruz. Ama bekleyecek değiliz yola çıktık. Kapıyı kapatmadık, gelebilirler. Ancak bunları bekleyecek durumda değiliz.”
• (IDEF’21) “Sadece ben yaklaşık 40 delege ile görüştüm. Burası bir vitrin. Harekatlar sayesinde ürünlerimiz kendilerini gösterdi. Çok çeşitli ürünleri gördüler. Görüştüğümüz heyetler bunları bize defalarca dile getirdi.”
• “İHA/SİHA’ları kullandık. Ama hasımlarımız kabiliyet ve kullanış şekillerini öğrendiler. Hasımlarımız milli SİHA’ların kimi kullanım donelerini gördüler. Biz bu noktada durursak sorun olur. O nedenle üzerine koyarak ilerlemeye devam ediyoruz. Sürekli yeni teknolojilere yönelmek zorundayız. Durdurulamaz olmak zorundayız.”
• “Ben şahsen MMU, MİUS ve uzaya çıkacak olan roketimizi heyecanla bekliyorum.”

SSB Başkanı Demir: S-400 Ayarında Bir Sisteme Gidiyoruz

T.C. Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayii Başkanı Prof. Dr. İsmail Demir, savunma sanayii alanındaki son gelişmelere dair TRT Haber’e özel bir röportaj verdi.

www.savunmasanayist.com

 

[Trakya_forever]

Then we understand that we are going to see two different products between Hisar RF and the first variant of SİPER.

 

[Siper>MMU]

Love the cold launch sequence. It is safer but also sometimes improves the maximum range up to %20-30 more. That's why smaller Tor missiles have almost the same ranges as Hisar A+. I hope Siper will use such a system.

 

[Turko]

Thanks to @Defence Turkey
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The difference between canister length and missile length could be one meter.

I don't think Hisar A+ missile length is 380cm.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

The system presented by İsmail Demir as the S400 equivalent domestic missile will probably be a system with exoatmospheric interception capability against ballistic missiles and capable of reaching altitudes of around 150-200km. In parallel to these developments, a giant early warning ballistic missile detection radar system called YIR, which will have thousands of km ranges was scheduled as next target after EIRS become operational. As EIRS was developed to be the main early warning radar of Siper family, I think YIR will be the main radar of the S400 equivalent domestic missiles.

 

[Anmdt]

This is certainly quadpackable at 550mm in width. Range numbers are "conservative" we went over that in the past.

Unfortunately, 550 cm is not even 'barely' quadpackable, you might have checked Mk41's width and divide it by two, in fact you were supposed to check maximum canister width which is 700~ to 750~ mm.
To be quadpackable they should first fit the missile in a canister of 300 mm, or even less.