Greece Air-Force Greek Rafale Program

[Tornadoss]

LMAO THIS IS SO FALACIOUS
"Fact is every fighter plane (F4 and F16) in TAF can carry at least two SOM at the same time while only Mirage (one) and Rafale (two) have the capability to carry SCALP."
You make the point that only two planes can use SCALP in HAF , unlike Tuaf which again you listed TWO planes lmao.
Also can you please send a source that sayd the F4 and F-16 can carry 2 SOMs ?

Yes but how many Mirage and Rafale you have and how many F-16 and F-4 Turkey has, do the math. And you deliberately avoid UAVs that will deliver SOM.

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[Kansei]

He might have meant Central Greece.

Oh,still how were they few and how were they nomads ?

 

[Tornadoss]

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So? What is your point?

 

[Ardabas34]

LMAO THIS IS SO FALACIOUS
"Fact is every fighter plane (F4 and F16) in TAF can carry at least two SOM at the same time while only Mirage (one) and Rafale (two) have the capability to carry SCALP."
You make the point that only two planes can use SCALP in HAF , unlike Tuaf which again you listed TWO planes lmao.
Also can you please send a source that sayd the F4 and F-16 can carry 2 SOMs ?

Correct me if I am wrong here. You have 40 Mirages but you will give France 16 of them back as part of the Rafale deal from what I understand.
You have right now 6 Rafales which will be 24 in the future. When the deal is done you will have 24 Mirages and 24 Rafales.

So right now you have 46 jets that can use SCALP. Turkey has 293 jets and a number of Akinci HALE UCAVs constantly increasing in number all of which can use SOM cruise missiles.

In the future you will have 48 jets that can use SCALP.

Turkey will also deploy her Hürjet light combat aircrafts which also carry SOM cruise missiles by 2025.

 

[CAN_TR]

LMAO THIS IS SO FALACIOUS

You make the point that only two planes can use SCALP in HAF , unlike Tuaf which again you listed TWO planes lmao.
Also can you please send a source that sayd the F4 and F-16 can carry 2 SOMs ?

LOL, HAF currently operates 40 Mirage and 6 Rafale that are able to carry SCALP while TAF has 245 F-16 and 48 F-4, but yeah just TWO planes

Here your source...

 

[Kansei]

Yes but how many Mirage and Rafale you have and how many F-16 and F-4 Turkey has, do the math. And you deliberately avoid UAVs that will deliver SOM.

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Didn’t ignore the UAV and I agree that there are more F-16s and F-4s, was just pointing out how you specifically attacked the number of TYPES of aircraft not the number of aircraft(“only Mirage(One) and Rafale(two)”), which is ridiculous since Turkey only has two types of aircraft.
Also I’m going to need actual sources, the above picture look too much like renders

 

[Tornadoss]

Didn’t ignore the UAV and I agree that there are more F-16s and F-4s, was just pointing out how you specifically attacked the number of TYPES of aircraft not the number of aircraft(“only Mirage(One) and Rafale(two)”), which is ridiculous since Turkey only has two types of aircraft.
Also I’m going to need actual sources, the above picture look too much like renders

I think you are the one pointing out and types of the aircraft, the post mentions there available aircrafts that can carry the respective missile and how many can carry each. These images are not renders, an F-16 is able to carry 7700 kg of weapon load. F-16 even able to carry 2 2000lb(900)kg JDAM. Why it can not carry 620 kg missile?
Payload: two 2,000-pound bombs, two AIM-9, two AIM-120 and two 2400-pound external fuel tanks

F-16 Fighting Falcon

The F-16 Fighting Falcon is a compact, multi-role fighter aircraft. It is highly maneuverable and has proven itself in air-to-air combat and air-to-surface attack. It provides a relatively low-cost,

www.af.mil

 

[Kansei]

Correct me if I am wrong here. You have 40 Mirages but you will give France 16 of them back as part of the Rafale deal from what I understand.
You have right now 6 Rafales which will be 24 in the future. When the deal is done you will have 24 Mirages and 24 Rafales.

So right now you have 46 jets that can use SCALP. Turkey has 293 jets and a number of Akinci HALE UCAVs constantly increasing in number all of which can use SOM cruise missiles.

In the future you will have 48 jets that can use SCALP.

Turkey will also deploy her Hürjet light combat aircrafts which also carry SOM cruise missiles by 2025.

Yeah I will admit that it looks like Turkey has the advantage at that front but there several steps are being taken right now by Greece. I think that's one of the main reasons why instead of picking the naval scalp, Greece opted to make their fleet more of a local area defender against ships and planes, leaving the ground strike role to the Air Force. The problem isn't our technology but our goverment.In Turkey whenever a new project comes along it is reward with praise and funding.In Greece there have been several projects (UAVs,Missiles,Radars,Jammers) using the new forefront of technology and managing to utilise it really early on since the 80s but they always found a way through goverment corruption to get swept under the rug ; a few that come to mind are the F-16 Drone by ΕΑΒ in 1985, the Τηλεμαχος anti-uav radar and the Σαρισα Laser guided bomb , but like always as soon as the corresponding goverment officials get questioned in regards of any project they always dodge the question. In Greece when it comes to the defence industry there has always been a history of coruption and scandals of officials being paid off by foreign competitors to pick their product .
But anyways back to the measures, while yes it is quite late, several drone companies have finally gotten funding, with the most prominent being LOTUS which is funded by Europe using a really ambitious Mother-Swarm design, there are several detection systems and counter-measure being built like the new Πανοπτης system that has recently won a NATO competiotion in it's class and Soukos Robotics laser weapon system that can apparently shoot down a drone every 3 seconds and has a range from 5-20km ; but again it's up to Greece if it will fund them.

They are also upgrading the Pariots electornics, and creating a huge grid system through Link 16 with the Patriot,F-16 block 52M, block 72 ,Rafale, FDI HN, Gowind and probably the Block 30 and Block 50+ that are scheduled for the aproval by congress of a program that either converts them to Block 50Ms or something between a Block 50M and a Block 70. Except the 8 types of air defence systems, I beleive that there should be the purchase of systems like the Iron Dome ,which are cheap and made to shoot down less valuable targets.

 

[Atlas]

I think you are the one pointing out and types of the aircraft, the post mentions there available aircrafts that can carry the respective missile and how many can carry each. These images are not renders, an F-16 is able to carry 7700 kg of weapon load. F-16 even able to carry 2 2000lb(900)kg JDAM. Why it can not carry 620 kg missile?
Payload: two 2,000-pound bombs, two AIM-9, two AIM-120 and two 2400-pound external fuel tanks

F-16 Fighting Falcon

The F-16 Fighting Falcon is a compact, multi-role fighter aircraft. It is highly maneuverable and has proven itself in air-to-air combat and air-to-surface attack. It provides a relatively low-cost,

www.af.mil

Even if those pictures are render, i wouldn't think off why it can't carry 2 SOMs, cause yeah it can carry 2k lb bombs 900kg~ each.

 

[Kansei]

I think you are the one pointing out and types of the aircraft, the post mentions there available aircrafts that can carry the respective missile and how many can carry each. These images are not renders, an F-16 is able to carry 7700 kg of weapon load. F-16 even able to carry 2 2000lb(900)kg JDAM. Why it can not carry 620 kg missile?
Payload: two 2,000-pound bombs, two AIM-9, two AIM-120 and two 2400-pound external fuel tanks

F-16 Fighting Falcon

The F-16 Fighting Falcon is a compact, multi-role fighter aircraft. It is highly maneuverable and has proven itself in air-to-air combat and air-to-surface attack. It provides a relatively low-cost,

www.af.mil

I wasn’t the one pointing it out, they specifically numbered the types of aircraft not the number of aircrafts. Also I don’t think it always has to do with weight. The F-4 can carry 5x GBU-10 that weigh each 956kg but it is listed that it can carry only 4x GBU-15 that weigh 910kg, but I’m not very knowledgeable when it comes to armament numbers so forgive me if I’m saying total bs

 

[Kansei]

You can't even make a drone what are you bragging about also most of these parts changed to Turkish made ones so cope Inferior greek. Go make BMP2 clones @Zafer you are the drone guy give him a lesson

All I’m saying is that, you guys basically used foreign equipment, copied it, then just slapped a sticker Made In Turkey, and you have the balls to start talking about how we are proud of a “foreigner’s Dick” .I’m not saying there isn’t merit to reverse-engineering but the bragging is usually cantered around how the design is 100% Turkish . Once again if you actually read the previous post or even do your research before you spout bs so confidently, you would find out that there are several Greek UAV and Drones, but they are not industrialised by the government, if you want to make the argument of industrialised by government UAV and drones then I would I agree on the inferiority, not on a technological factor but on governmental priorities , but then again your government would rather fund drones and throw tea bags at starving citizens while your President builds a Sultan palace and his wife makes announcement that people should ration their foods better while holding a 50,000$ handbag so again I don’t think I would call our government priorities inferior.

 

[Kansei]

You can't even make a drone what are you bragging about also most of these parts changed to Turkish made ones so cope Inferior greek. Go make BMP2 clones @Zafer you are the drone guy give him a lesson

Also stop with that inferior Greek shit or you’re getting reported

 

[Timuçin]

All I’m saying is that, you guys basically used foreign equipment, copied it, then just slapped a sticker Made In Turkey, and you have the balls to start talking about how we are proud of a “foreigner’s Dick” .I’m not saying there isn’t merit to reverse-engineering but the bragging is usually cantered around how the design is 100% Turkish . Once again if you actually read the previous post or even do your research before you spout bs so confidently, you would find out that there are several Greek UAV and Drones, but they are not industrialised by the government, if you want to make the argument of industrialised by government UAV and drones then I would I agree on the inferiority, not on a technological factor but on governmental priorities , but then again your government would rather fund drones and throw tea bags at starving citizens while your President builds a Sultan palace and his wife makes announcement that people should ration their foods better while holding a 50,000$ bag so again I don’t think I would call our government priorities inferior.

>talks about drones first changes the argument to erdogan cope is strong with this one.

 

[Timuçin]

All I’m saying is that, you guys basically used foreign equipment, copied it, then just slapped a sticker Made In Turkey, and you have the balls to start talking about how we are proud of a “foreigner’s Dick” .I’m not saying there isn’t merit to reverse-engineering but the bragging is usually cantered around how the design is 100% Turkish . Once again if you actually read the previous post or even do your research before you spout bs so confidently, you would find out that there are several Greek UAV and Drones, but they are not industrialised by the government, if you want to make the argument of industrialised by government UAV and drones then I would I agree on the inferiority, not on a technological factor but on governmental priorities , but then again your government would rather fund drones and throw tea bags at starving citizens while your President builds a Sultan palace and his wife makes announcement that people should ration their foods better while holding a 50,000$ handbag so again I don’t think I would call our government priorities inferior.

Also ı saw the greek drones one of them is a TB2 clone others are just small shit that we already made years ago nothing groundbreaking. You are just jealous because your country can only produce BMP2 clones. Even in tb2 we were able to nationalize engine and opticals systems with other parts You can't even build a engine I wonder what happened to your own frigate/corvette plans that you were going to make not happening I guess :DDD

 

[CAN_TR]

Didn’t ignore the UAV and I agree that there are more F-16s and F-4s, was just pointing out how you specifically attacked the number of TYPES of aircraft not the number of aircraft only Mirage(One) and Rafale(two), which is ridiculous since Turkey only has two types of aircraft.

With (one) and (two) i basically wanted to show how many SCALP the Mirage and Rafale can carry, it has nothing to do with numbering the aircrafts *facepalm*

 

[Kansei]

>talks about drones first changes the argument to erdogan cope is strong with this one.

I didn’t change the argument, I explained why you’re wrong, continued on what area you might be superior and then concluded that you aren’t even actually superior there

 

[Kansei]

With (one) and (two) i basically wanted to show how many SCALP the Mirage and Rafale can carry, it has nothing to do with numbering the aircrafts *facepalm*

Lmao how was I supposed to know that that was what you were implying

 

[Kansei]

Also ı saw the greek drones one of them is a TB2 clone others are just small shit that we already made years ago nothing groundbreaking. You are just jealous because your country can only produce BMP2 clones. Even in tb2 we were able to nationalize engine and opticals systems with other parts You can't even build a engine I wonder what happened to your own frigate/corvette plans that you were going to make not happening I guess :DDD

Which is the TB2 clone and which UAV has a mother-swarm design ? Once again with the nationalisation of foreign equipment just reread my last reply, I’m tired of posting the same shit.There were never public plans to make our own frigate/corvettes, you’re probably referring to ALS, which was a Greek design but there were never any government plans to make them real, we would have rather had the ships on time and have proven ships rather than betting everything on a Greek design before building smaller projects.

 

[Timuçin]

Which is the TB2 clone and which UAV has a mother-swarm design ? Once again with the nationalisation of foreign equipment just reread my last reply, I’m tired of posting the same shit.There were never public plans to make our own frigate/corvettes, you’re probably referring to ALS, which was a Greek design but there were never any government plans to make them real, we would have rather had the ships on time and have proven ships rather than betting everything on a Greek design before building smaller projects.

It was a good design why didn't guy worked on it? with that mind you won't be able to improve in any defence Industry

 

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