TR F-16 Özgür | Hürkuş - Fighter Trainer Aircraft Projects

[Cabatli_TR]

Wasn’t the first flight scheduled towards the last quarter of 2022 ?

The first flight will likely take place in December 2022, at least plan was that and more mature prototypes will fly on 2023.

 

[MADDOG]

Today is the anniversary of us questioning the fate of the Özgür project. So we shall do it again. Any news?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Today is the anniversary of us questioning the fate of the Özgür project. So we shall do it again. Any news?

There are a few questions I would like to ask anyone, that really knows the answer, to reply:
We have produced an “Ozgur” f16 prototype from a block 30 plane (without Aesa radar), and it has flown. If this prototype were successful, why are we still waiting for this upgrade to be implemented on to our existing Block 30 planes?
1. Is it because we were misinformed about the success of “Ozgur” upgrade?
2. Is it because our Aesa radar is still not ready for integration, and we are waiting for it?
3. Is it because, contractually. we are not supposed to tamper with these planes without Lockheed Martin‘s permission?

If the answer lies in the second question; It is going to be answered shortly as “Murat” Aesa radar is in integration stage.
If the answer lies in the third question; We are running out of time about niceties of respecting contractual responsibilities when our adversaries are building up their airforces to attain air dominance over us.
I don’t even want to think about the validity of the first question!

 

[Nutuk]

"MURAD"

 

[Philip the Arab]

https://www.tacticalreport.com/news/article/59700-uae-turkey-and-future-fighter-jet

hahahahha

 

[Ecderha]

https://www.tacticalreport.com/news/article/59700-uae-turkey-and-future-fighter-jet

hahahahha

??
what is so funny?

 

[Philip the Arab]

??
what is so funny?

In 2 years they went from publically name calling eachother to discussing fighter jet cooperation.

Hardly cooperation, more like cash injection which is useless for the UAE.

 

[Philip the Arab]

It is milking the cow, UAE should stop scaming everybody with that defence companies with zero output, South Africans do not have Israel backup this time.

Please stop derailing the thread with these off topic posts.

You will get no money and be happy

 

[wolveray1]

https://www.tacticalreport.com/news/article/59700-uae-turkey-and-future-fighter-jet

hahahahha

it has paywall.Can you explain about the article

 

[Philip the Arab]

it has paywall.Can you explain about the article

Tactical report is iffy, don’t know if it’s real and I’m not paying for that either.

Take it with a pound of salt until and if we get official confirmation.

Much more likely imo UAE invests in KF-X before TF-X.

 

[Ecderha]

In 2 years they went from publically name calling eachother to discussing fighter jet cooperation.

Hardly cooperation, more like cash injection which is useless for the UAE.

you are right to the point that it have only few minute of acceptable and FACT.

I mean just check the History of UAE... 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years back. It was ALWAYS was SAME.

UAE PAY MONEY for Safety, for New toys, for miscalculated decisions on International politics.
UAE went hostile against Turkiye last 10 years and UAE lost this battle. Now UAE doing which always they do PAY..........

We will SEE soon what, how much and for what UAE PAID.

 

[Philip the Arab]

you are right to the point that it have only few minute of acceptable and FACT.

I mean just check the History of UAE... 10, 20, 30, 40, 50 years back. It was ALWAYS was SAME.

UAE PAY MONEY for Safety, for New toys, for miscalculated decisions on International politics.
UAE went hostile against Turkiye last 10 years and UAE lost this battle. Now UAE doing which always they do PAY..........

We will SEE soon what, how much and for what UAE PAID.

UAE hardly lost any battle. Trump losing power meant it had to settle its issues because US isn’t a reliable partner under Biden. Main reason isn’t Turkey winning but the orange King losing.

 

[Ecderha]

UAE hardly lost any battle. Trump losing power meant it had to settle its issues because US isn’t a reliable partner under Biden. Main reason isn’t Turkey winning but the orange King losing.

Do not mix the MAIN DIRECTION which UAE politics work.
it is not Turkiye and USA.

IT is about UAE hostile decision against Turkiye.
UAE lost the battle and now in present it is time to PAY for THAT.


When come to UAE and USA there is other battle of politics and decisions. It is other front as I said Just check the FACTS. History of UAE politics THEY WILL PAY there are no other option for them

 

[Philip the Arab]

Do not mix the MAIN DIRECTION which UAE politics work.
it is not Turkiye and USA.

IT is about UAE hostile decision against Turkiye.
UAE lost the battle and now in present it is time to PAY for THAT.


When come to UAE and USA there is other battle of politics and decisions. It is other front as I said Just check the FACTS. History of UAE politics THEY WILL PAY there are no other option for them

Calm down, your blood pressure is rising from a forum.
Wishful thinking will not change reality and neither will words like THIS and THAT.

 

[Glass🚬]

What does the link that guy posted even say? do the emiratis want to invest in tf-x or what?

 

[TheInsider]

There are a few questions I would like to ask anyone, that really knows the answer, to reply:
We have produced an “Ozgur” f16 prototype from a block 30 plane (without Aesa radar), and it has flown. If this prototype were successful, why are we still waiting for this upgrade to be implemented on to our existing Block 30 planes?
1. Is it because we were misinformed about the success of “Ozgur” upgrade?
2. Is it because our Aesa radar is still not ready for integration, and we are waiting for it?
3. Is it because, contractually. we are not supposed to tamper with these planes without Lockheed Martin‘s permission?

If the answer lies in the second question; It is going to be answered shortly as “Murat” Aesa radar is in integration stage.
If the answer lies in the third question; We are running out of time about niceties of respecting contractual responsibilities when our adversaries are building up their airforces to attain air dominance over us.
I don’t even want to think about the validity of the first question!

Özgür project is %100 successful. I have listened to several sources about this including the pilot that flew it so a big no for the first one.

Structural modernization is going on I heard from several sources that Özgür serial modernization won't start before structural modernization finishes and an AESA radar is ready. Airforce doesn't want to commit aircraft before everything is ready.
AESA radar project is still going on and without an AESA radar, this upgrade is meaningless. The project schedule is clear we should wait until December 2022. BTW this is phase I of the F-16 AESA radar project which covers prototype development and integration studies. Phase 2 will cover serial production.

Of course, LM won't like what we are doing to its fighter but I doubt LM will be hostile. The US gov will try to intervene in the process whether there are contract commitments or not, the US gov. will/can find or create those terms. Congress can even pass a law that forbids such modification to US weapons. We should grow some balls here.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

It's better to wait a little more. Tests of MURAD GaN based AESA radar begin this year. According to Aselsan, this radar is claimed to be more capable than the APG-83 GaAs. Later, more advanced versions of Murad radar will be developed of course but the rules of the air conflicts will be changed drastically. When this radar is integrated into aircrafts, a real nightmare will begin for the enemy. Even a jet trainer carrying a BVR missile will be the tiger of the sky against most modern air threats thanks to this concept because no platform will have to fight the enemy elements alone.

In the network-centric Turkish concept, platforms such as Akinci, F16Özgür, MIuS, Hürjet with MURAD AESA will be able to act as a whole with IHA-radar (200+km), Hava-SOJ, EIRS, YIR, Passive radars and AEWC platforms. Very high kinetic energy Gökhan Ramjet BVR missiles can be fired by an aircraft out of sight against an air target detected by drones in the danger line. In this way, the longest range BVR kill will be obtained in a real operational environment. A few countries have the ability to use these missiles at maximum ranges and Turkiye will be one of them.

Even if Greece dreams with Meteor missiles max range (200-300km) at the moment, the maximum detection range at which they can detect Turkish F16s from max 80-90 km, ~30-40km maybe for MIUS depending on capability of RBE2 radar(2,8m2 RCS target can be detected up to 75 miles with RBE2). By the time they approach this range, they will have already entered the effective range of Turkish missiles. In other words, Meteor will actually provide a capability no different from an AMRAAM in the hands of Greeks but the range at which Turkey can effectively use the Gökhan+Murad combination missile will be far beyond this.

 

[Combat-Master]

Not sure if posted'

 

[Combat-Master]

It's better to wait a little more. Tests of MURAD GaN based AESA radar begin this year. According to Aselsan, this radar is claimed to be more capable than the APG-83 GaAs. Later, more advanced versions of Murad radar will be developed of course but the rules of the air conflicts will be changed drastically. When this radar is integrated into aircrafts, a real nightmare will begin for the enemy. Even a jet trainer carrying a BVR missile will be the tiger of the sky against most modern air threats thanks to this concept because no platform will have to fight the enemy elements alone.

In the network-centric Turkish concept, platforms such as Akinci, F16Özgür, MIuS, Hürjet with MURAD AESA will be able to act as a whole with IHA-radar (200+km), Hava-SOJ, EIRS, YIR, Passive radars and AEWC platforms. Very high kinetic energy Gökhan Ramjet BVR missiles can be fired by an aircraft out of sight against an air target detected by drones in the danger line. In this way, the longest range BVR kill will be obtained in a real operational environment. A few countries have the ability to use these missiles at maximum ranges and Turkiye will be one of them.

Even if Greece dreams with Meteor missiles max range (200-300km) at the moment, the maximum detection range at which they can detect Turkish F16s from max 80-90 km, ~30-40km maybe for MIUS depending on capability of RBE2 radar(2,8m2 RCS target can be detected up to 75 miles with RBE2). By the time they approach this range, they will have already entered the effective range of Turkish missiles. In other words, Meteor will actually provide a capability no different from an AMRAAM in the hands of Greeks but the range at which Turkey can effectively use the Gökhan+Murad combination missile will be far beyond this.

We also need to factor in Greece's AEW&C aircraft too which has detection range of 350km and could provide fire control to Meteor and AIM120 missiles, just like our AEW&C did when it shot down Russian Jet in Syria.

 

[Combat-Master]