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Are you real? Erdogan has a French plane that cost 320million dollars. They bought that plane 3 4 days ago. And we have a agreement with Airbus. Till 2023 they are gonna sell 5 10 planes to us.

First of all this boycotting thing absurd. Cause even if everyone in Turkey do that you can't gather a number equal to one Erdogans plane.

Second of all Macron is right. Like I typed earlier War against religion/Islam should be happening all around the world. Only thing that bothers me he is not actually fighting against islam and literacy behind it. He is only doing this for his voters and he wants to get a reaction from your world leader so he can get a higher standing point.

Erdogan is changing topics like a mastermind. And everyone is following him. Sad..

Airbus is not an exclusively French aircraft. Many parts are sourced from all over the world.

Why is Macron right? Why should wars against religion be fought?

Your view seems quite illogical.

Anybody could declare you a kafir and call for your head. Out of nowhere. How would that be logical if a Turk in Turkey calls for your head out of nowhere?

Communism has died a miserable death. Soviet Union has been dissolved. China has abandoned Communism and accepted Capitalism, thus erasing any doubt about the invalidity of Communism.

We are glad that the scourge of Communism has been fought and erased. Any resurgence of Communism anywhere around the world will be fought proactively and deleted once again if necessary.
 
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After that we should try to be self sufficient country in energy and arms. Neutral against EU, USA and Russia.
Enemy against Arap World and Iran
Friend of Israel and Turkish countries but mostly Azerbaijan (not panturkish)

You can't neutral towards EU & USA on one side and Russia on the other. They sit on the opposite sides of the table. They are rivals, if not enemies.

You can't placate both.

Being enemies with both Iran and Arab world will only isolate you further.

If you leave NATO, which is how you can be neutral towards the USA, it is not certain you would have any working airforce, navy or ground forces.

Iran and some Arab countries can easily overwhelm Turkey then, unfortunately.

Without American military assistance, Turkey would fall much like Saudi regime or Sisi regime would fall without American military assistance.
 

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I never cared about boycott campaigns and I won't start with it now. It would only make sense if the government would ban the products other than that, boycott campaigns never reached its goals.
 
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Only the state can be secular not the society.

Religion will always be relevant in a society no matter what.

Forced secularisation backfires just like what we saw in Iran and Afghanistan.

Hence why you have two fanatical regimes. When you force secularisation it creates a reactionary force.

I wouldn't call the Iranian regime fanatical.

If they were, they had plenty of time to nuke Israel or other EU/North American/Australian societies.

Afghanistan has been invaded in 2001 and since then has been under NATO occupation. Where, Turkey as a loyal NATO member, under former PM and current President Erdogan has sent troops.

However, when Turkish citizens were killed in international waters by Israel, none of Turkey's Western allies sent troops or equipment to defend Turkey.

When Turkish troops were killed in Syria by Russian bombing, none of Turkey's allies sent troops or equipment to back it up.

Truth be told, Turkey is as reliant on American military assistance as the Al Saud regime or the Sisi regime. You can do your level best to appease your American masters, by sending troops to Afghanistan for example.

They are not beholden to you and won't bother even if 10,000 of your troops or civilians were to be killed. Sad, but unfortunately, true.

Turkey is not yet independent. I hope it will be.
 

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I wouldn't call the Iranian regime fanatical.

If they were, they had plenty of time to nuke Israel or other EU/North American/Australian societies.

Afghanistan has been invaded in 2001 and since then has been under NATO occupation. Where, Turkey as a loyal NATO member, under former PM and current President Erdogan has sent troops.

However, when Turkish citizens were killed in international waters by Israel, none of Turkey's Western allies sent troops or equipment to defend Turkey.

When Turkish troops were killed in Syria by Russian bombing, none of Turkey's allies sent troops or equipment to back it up.

Truth be told, Turkey is as reliant on American military assistance as the Al Saud regime or the Sisi regime. You can do your level best to appease your American masters, by sending troops to Afghanistan for example.

They are not beholden to you and won't bother even if 10,000 of your troops or civilians were to be killed. Sad, but unfortunately, true.

Turkey is not yet independent. I hope it will be.

Look at the proxies and terrorist groups they support.

Khomeini was a big time fanatic.
 

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This whole boycott against France works as a distraction when there was calls to Boycott Turkey especially among the Arabs led by the Saudis.

Now this happens 🤣🤣🤣
 

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While the illiterate masses will probably stop buying danone yogurts and la vache qui rit cheese,the elites and the rich of the muslim world will still flock en masse to buy luxury French brands.... :)

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This thing started today and you are talking about the long past, so pathetic.
 

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This whole boycott against France works as a distraction when there was calls to Boycott Turkey especially among the Arabs led by the Saudis.

Now this happens 🤣🤣🤣
strange boycott as the turkey export actually increased to saudi arabia in august.
 

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strange boycott as the turkey export actually increased to saudi arabia in august.
August is way back. Saudi people love Turkish products as any other nation bestowed with the wisdom of a man for its good quality and good price. However the criminal Saudi Government has only recently started to force its people to boycott. So the effects will show a bit later.
 

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August is way back. Saudi people love Turkish products as any other nation bestowed with the wisdom of a man for its good quality and good price. However the criminal Saudi Government has only recently started to force its people to boycott. So the effects will show a bit later.
maybe so, but dispute is longer then official boycott, so i think that saudis people are smarter then their leader, and i see it as hint of hope for future normalization between two important muslim states.
regarding this french boycott, by my experience it is in vain unless states itself impose it, primarily in military products and service, that one hurts most, so throw away rafales, leclerces, frigattes etc., i doubt that will happen anytime soon.
 

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Guys if you have to placate the womenfolk in your house, then tell them to look at Japanese and Korean cosmetics items.

'Shiseido' is a very good prestigious Japanese brand with long history.

'Nature Republic' is a nice economical Korean FMCG and toiletry consumables brand, mostly organic stuff.

There are many others - these are very popular in the West Coast of the US, that is what the women in my life tell me. You do have alternatives besides French brands.

But I'm a guy (and not even a French guy). So what do I know about cosmetics.
 
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Guys if you have to placate the womenfolk in your house, then tell them to look at Japanese and Korean cosmetics items.

'Shiseido' is a very good prestigious Japanese brand with long history.

'Nature Republic' is a nice economical Korean FMCG and toiletry consumables brand, mostly organic stuff.

There are many others - these are very popular in the West Coast of the US, that is what the women in my life tell me. You do have alternatives besides French brands.

But I'm a guy (and not even a French guy). So what do I know about cosmetics.

None of the items in the to-be-boycotted list are extremely high tech.

They can be easily boycotted.

On the other side, French trade with the Muslims of the world is less than that with Belgium. France loses little.

I don't see how a boycott is impossible, as some people elsewhere have been insinuating.

I don't see how a boycott will harm France significantly either.
 

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None of the items in the to-be-boycotted list are extremely high tech.

They can be easily boycotted.

On the other side, French trade with the Muslims of the world is less than that with Belgium. France loses little.

I don't see how a boycott is impossible, as some people elsewhere have been insinuating.

I don't see how a boycott will harm France significantly either.

I very much appreciate your comment but cannot fully agree with your assessment that France loses little by not trading with the Muslim world.

Boycotts have to last a while to be effective - yes. But when you pit the whole Muslim world against French Exports, the effect will not be small.

Most of the growing categories of French exports have been with developing Muslim economies (with large populations) in Asia. France has already lost Pakistan as an export destination sometime ago.

Only one company (Thales) has had multiple satellite build and launch program agreements with Indonesia and Bangladesh, two growing Muslim economies.

These contracts are ongoing ones, worth at least 10 Billion dollars a year or more. In addition there are high ticket defence sales like radar and naval systems that are bought by both these countries (Malaysia and Brunei as well which are Muslim countries).

Not to talk about infrastructure products like railway equipment, powerplants, gas turbines, heavy electrical transformers etc. sold by Alstom and Schneider Electric - to name just two famous French companies.

So picking fights with Muslim economies is not a great idea for a diminishing economy like France. It might not sound good when you call a spade a spade, but France has little other choice to sell its technology goods to, other than Muslim economies.

Other non-Muslim Asian countries (China, Japan, Korea, Taiwan) are mostly self-sufficient and don't need French precision technology products, which aren't really price competitive, and don't compare well in quality when compared to German or Swiss products.

And we should not forget that France is a major seller of wheat and other agri products to Maghreb and Gulf economies. That is worth at least 5 to 7 Billion every year.

If Macron thinks he can absorb the loss of exports, then so be it.

Let's take a look - the top ten French categories of exports in 2019 (worth $375 Billion out of a total of $550 Billion or so that year) have been per the following article,

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France’s Top 10 Exports​

October 4, 2020 by Daniel Workman


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Formally the French Republic, France shipped US$555.1 billion worth of goods around the globe in 2019. That dollar metric reflects a -2.4% decrease from 2018 to 2019 compared to a 12.1% increase in value since 2015.

France’s exported goods totaled $259.4 billion during the first 7 months of 2020. Assuming an annualized $444.7 billion in exports for all 2020, France is on track for an estimated -19.9% drop in value for its shipments from 2019 to 2020.

Based on the average exchange rate for 2019, the euro appreciated by 0.9% against the US dollar since 2015 but declined by -5.5% from 2018 to 2019. The weaker EU currency in 2019 made France’s exports paid for in stronger US dollars relatively less expensive for international buyers.

The latest available country-specific data shows that 68% of products exported from France were bought by importers in: Germany (14.1% of the global total), United States (8.5%), Italy (7.6%), Spain (7.5%), Belgium (6.9%), United Kingdom (6.8%), China (4.2%), Switzerland (3.6%), Netherlands (3.5%), Poland (2.1%), Singapore (1.7%) and Japan (1.6%).

From a continental perspective, 64.3% of France exports by value were delivered to fellow European countries while 17.4% were sold to importers in Asia. France shipped another 10% worth of goods to North America and Africa (5.2%). Smaller percentages went to Latin America excluding Mexico but including the Caribbean (1.9%) then Oceania led by Australia (1%).

Given France’s population of 64.8 million people, its total $555.1 billion in 2019 exports translates to roughly $8,600 for every resident in the European Union member nationy.

France’s Top 10 Exports​

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The following export product groups represent the highest dollar value in French global shipments during 2019. Also shown is the percentage share each export category represents in terms of overall exports from France.
  1. Machinery including computers: US$67.3 billion (12.1% of total exports)
  2. Aircraft, spacecraft: $53.5 billion (9.6%)
  3. Vehicles: $52.8 billion (9.5%)
  4. Electrical machinery, equipment: $43.4 billion (7.8%)
  5. Pharmaceuticals: $35.5 billion (6.4%)
  6. Plastics, plastic articles: $20.9 billion (3.8%)
  7. Perfumes, cosmetics: $20.1 billion (3.6%)
  8. Beverages, spirits, vinegar: $19.3 billion (3.5%)
  9. Optical, technical, medical apparatus: $17.6 billion (3.2%)
  10. Mineral fuels including oil: $15.5 billion (2.8%)
France’s top 10 export categories accounted for over three-fifths (62.3%) of the overall value of its global shipments.

Pharmaceuticals represents the fastest grower among the top 10 export categories, up by 4.9% since 2018. In second place for improving export sales was the optical, technical and medical apparatus subcategory thanks to its 4.2% gain. France’s deliveries of aircraft and spacecraft posted the third-fastest gain in value up by 3.1%.

The leading decliner among France’s top 10 export categories was mineral fuels including oil via a -17.1% drop.

Note that the results listed above are at the categorized two-digit Harmonized Tariff System (HTS) code level. For a more granular view of exported goods at the four-digit HTS code level, see the section Searchable List of France’s Most Valuable Export Products further down below.


Searchable List of France’s Most Valuable Export Products​

The following searchable table displays 100 of the most in-demand goods shipped from France during 2019. Shown beside each product label is its total export value then the percentage increase or decrease since 2018.

RANKFRANCE'S EXPORT PRODUCT2019 VALUE (US$)CHANGE
1Aircraft, spacecraft$43,950,875,000+1.1%
2Medication mixes in dosage$26,153,655,000+2.7%
3Cars$23,611,119,000-6.5%
4Turbo-jets$18,873,333,000+16.7%
5Automobile parts/accessories$13,936,043,000-11.1%
6Wine$10,957,171,000-0.8%
7Beauty/makeup/skin care preparations$9,976,191,000+3.9%
8Aircraft parts$9,422,863,000+13.1%
9Cases, handbags, wallets$8,627,042,000+11.7%
10Processed petroleum oils$8,385,015,000-20.8%

The following export product groups represent the highest dollar value in French global shipments during 2019. Also shown is the percentage share each export category represents in terms of overall exports from France.

  1. Machinery including computers: US$67.3 billion (12.1% of total exports)
  2. Aircraft, spacecraft: $53.5 billion (9.6%)
  3. Vehicles: $52.8 billion (9.5%)
  4. Electrical machinery, equipment: $43.4 billion (7.8%)
  5. Pharmaceuticals: $35.5 billion (6.4%)
  6. Plastics, plastic articles: $20.9 billion (3.8%)
  7. Perfumes, cosmetics: $20.1 billion (3.6%)
  8. Beverages, spirits, vinegar: $19.3 billion (3.5%)
  9. Optical, technical, medical apparatus: $17.6 billion (3.2%)
  10. Mineral fuels including oil: $15.5 billion (2.8%)
 
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Street interview in Konya.

- People are asked "President Erdogan wanted people to boycott French products, do you comply with his request."

- Everybody says yes.

- Second question "Which French products are being sold in Turkey".

- Everybody says "I don't know".


@Vergennes
 

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Street interview in Konya.

- People are asked "President Erdogan wanted people to boycott French products, do you comply with his request."

- Everybody says yes.

- Second question "Which French products are being sold in Turkey".

- Everybody says "I don't know".


@Vergennes

Konyalis are Based
 

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Street interview in Konya.

- People are asked "President Erdogan wanted people to boycott French products, do you comply with his request."

- Everybody says yes.

- Second question "Which French products are being sold in Turkey".

- Everybody says "I don't know".


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They will check it when they see a foreign sounding brand. They will not pronounce a brand name on TV, that's against media law.
 

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Street interview in Konya.

- People are asked "President Erdogan wanted people to boycott French products, do you comply with his request."

- Everybody says yes.

- Second question "Which French products are being sold in Turkey".

- Everybody says "I don't know".


@Vergennes
what is the intention behind this tv clip, to show how people are "stupid" or to emphasize how is wrong to boycott french products?
 

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what is the intention behind this tv clip, to show how people are "stupid" or to emphasize how is wrong to boycott french products?

Izmirlis and Istanbulus believe anybody outside their city are Comars
 
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what is the intention behind this tv clip, to show how people are "stupid" or to emphasize how is wrong to boycott french products?
Too see, if people really care about "call of boycott" or not.
 

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