TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[Rodeo]

Couldn't it be kind of transmitting antennas? Just a guess. Powerful jamming pods like ALQ-99 and ALQ-249 have antennas covering 360 degrees. So while EA jets can provide continuous jamming by flying around the engagement zone of the enemy SAM, a combat jet, say a jet with an APG-81, theoretically cannot point its nose more than 70 degrees away from the enemy radar during jamming. Having transmitting antennas under the nose and on the wings can provide 360-degree coverage.

My other guess is that it is again part of the integrated avionics suite, that is, some kind of emitter/reciever is shown.

KIZIELMA, like AKINCI, can operate BLOS(Beyond Line of Sight). For that the drone has to use a SATCOM antenna.

You can see this antenna on AKINCI in the first photo. The antenna needs to point to a GEO satellite. So my question is if KIZILELMA is a combat vehicle, it will have to bank at such angles that this antenna won't be able to maintain its connection to the satellite. Imagine the drone flying in upside-down position. How can the ground crew can still send and receive telemetry data, send commands etc.? Will they install two antennas in opposing directions? Or having a one antenna that can gimbal 360 degrees? Or something else? How did they solve this problem?

 

[dBSPL]

KIZIELMA, like AKINCI, can operate BLOS(Beyond Line of Sight). For that the drone has to use a SATCOM antenna.

You can see this antenna on AKINCI in the first photo. The antenna needs to point to a GEO satellite. So my question is if KIZILELMA is a combat vehicle, it will have to bank at such angles that this antenna won't be able to maintain its connection to the satellite. Imagine the drone flying in upside-down position. How can the ground crew can still send and receive telemetry data, send commands etc.? Will they install two antennas in opposing directions? Or having a one antenna that can gimbal 360 degrees? Or something else? How did they solve this problem?

This graphic shows the location of typical F-16 antennas.

Also, conformal UHF/Satcom Antennas are usually located on the nose of jets. However, I am not sure what the under-nose conformal panel on the KE is for.

 

[Rodeo]

Those are not SATCOM antennas. They're either air to ground or air to air. They can't communicate via a satellite. My question was regarding BLOS.

 

[dBSPL]

Those are not SATCOM antennas. They're either air to ground or air to air. They can't communicate via a satellite. My question was regarding BLOS.

 

[Huelague]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1584872716032622592

We have some tactical Kamikaze drone. Do we need some bigger ones with 100 kg of warhead.

 

[dBSPL]

One of the areas being studied under the MMU program is the narrow directional communications data link. In assessing stealth characteristics, the defense and aerospace community tends to focus on structural attributes, but just as important is communication. In fact, another challenge is the secure communication and interoperability of stealth platforms with nonstealth platforms.

It seems that the MMU will not be the only stealth platform in the vision for the 2030s. This situation indicates that both KE and TAI TISU(in future) are aimed to have similar communication systems with the MMU in the future.

 

[Lool]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1584872716032622592

How many different kamikaze drones does Turkey own by now?

Can some1 compile a list of them? And where does Alpagu stand within this diverse range of suicide drones

 

[Rodeo]

So you're suggesting BAYKAR acquired or designed this type of antenna and have two of them in opposite directions on KIZILELMA(for 360 degree coverage)? I would think they'd use it on AKINCI and TB2 as well, don't you think?

And also, I'm not very knowledgeable on antennas but they don't look very beefy to transmit high definition video of multiple cameras to and from a GEO satellite. Am I wrong?

 

[Cabatli_TR]

How many different kamikaze drones does Turkey own by now?

Can some1 compile a list of them? And where does Alpagu stand within this diverse range of suicide drones

TUSAŞ (2-3)
Lentatek (2)
STM (4-5)
Titra (1)
Transvaro (2)
Sekizaltmış (1)

 

[dBSPL]

So you're suggesting BAYKAR acquired or designed this type of antenna and have two of them in opposite directions on KIZILELMA(for 360 degree coverage)? I would think they'd use it on AKINCI and TB2 as well, don't you think?

And also, I'm not very knowledgeable on antennas but they don't look very beefy to transmit high definition video of multiple cameras to and from a GEO satellite. Am I wrong?

No bro, my guess about the conformal panel under the nose is different and I mentioned it on a back page, but I should add that KE is in a completely different category from TB-2 or AKINCI, both in terms of mission profile and angle of attack, flight envelopes and speed. So most of the avionics, including the communication systems, should be common standards with fighter jets.

 

[Boz]

Very interesting.

For more info:

Sortie Cargo - The Future of Transportation - Sortie Technology SRL

Sorte Cargo is building advanced autonomous UAVs to carry cargo for long-range transportation. With its advanced propulsion system, Sortie Cargo enables it to take off without the need of an airport or runway.

www.sortiecargo.com

SAHA EXOP:

 

[Radonsider]

Very interesting.
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For more info:

Sortie Cargo - The Future of Transportation - Sortie Technology SRL

Sorte Cargo is building advanced autonomous UAVs to carry cargo for long-range transportation. With its advanced propulsion system, Sortie Cargo enables it to take off without the need of an airport or runway.

www.sortiecargo.com

SAHA EXOP:

Looks like a cruise missile disguised as a cargo UAV

 

[Boz]

Looks like a cruise missile disguised as a cargo UAV

Imagine the valuable intercity flight data they are going to collect

 

[Anmdt]

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Two different A2A missiles?

Baykar and their creative interns given the task of creating some CAD of existing products. Possibly tried to fit Gokdogan in size of Bozdogan and here we go.

Earlier we have seen their art piece of Anadolu the LHD.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

We have some tactical Kamikaze drone. Do we need some bigger ones with 100 kg of warhead.

These would have to be large enough to carry such a weight, therefore a lot more costly, which would make the aircraft too expensive to use as a kamikaze drone.
Better use a cruise missile.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

How many different kamikaze drones does Turkey own by now?

Can some1 compile a list of them? And where does Alpagu stand within this diverse range of suicide drones

So far

STM Alpagu
STM Alpagu II
STM Kargu
STM Kargu II
STM Kargu Anti Radiation
TAI Şimşek (Kamikaze version)
Titra Deli
Lentatek Kargi
Lentatek Kargi EO
Kartal Savunma XQ-06 Fi (Status unknown)
Transvaro Fedai 101
Transvaro Fedai 102

Edit: Add to that

Roketsan/STM Alpagut

It should be unveiled today.

 

[python34]

Which camera system does Bayraktar diha use?

 

[Trakya_forever]

Octopus Epsilon 180 as far as I remember.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Alpagut is coming

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1585167856643080193

 

[Bogeyman]

Gossip mode is on
It is said that Baykar Makine is unable to supply engines for Kızılelma from Ukraine. That's why Baykar allegedly wants to buy a Rolce Royce EJ200 turbofan engine from the British.

There may also be a possibility that the supercruise capability is standard.