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I don't think stormbreaker price is that low. The price of our missiles might be though. Even then we won't buy that much. Missiles and platforms are planned together. The Navy will buy Atmaca for their new ships, and ground-based batteries. Those will be purchased in batches in the following years. Land forces will buy Atmaca Kara starting 2024-2025 missiles will be delivered together with batteries. Out of 485 SOM nearly 300 are delivered. You see we don't have enough orders in line to deliver 200 SOM/Atmaca per year. Çakır and Kuzgun are not ready they will also be delivered with their platforms.
There is a source for atmaca's cost:


"An official from state-controlled missile-maker Roketsan, a co-producer of Atmaca (which translates to “Hawk” in English), said that the weapon will replace more than 350 Harpoons in the next two to three years, starting with ships under maintenance and upgrade programs."

"The Roketsan official said Turkey aims to save up to $500 million from the Atmaca replacement program, as the homemade missile comes in at around half the price of a Harpoon."

So can we say atmaca block 1 is a 500 600k dollars missile?

And this one is for storm breaker and others:


It would be really nice if we could produce kuzgun for 200 k dollars and çakır for 300k.
 

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We have 98 slam er (source: sipri) and some popeye 1s. For popeyes there are different numbers in open sources (100, 196, few hundreds etc). But their delivery was between 1997-2002, they should have had a modernisation (thermal battery and fuel). If this is the case their shell life will be exhausted in 2022-2027 or 2027-2032 at most. Some of them have been used in operations against pkk and pyd/ypg in ıraq and syria. And they can only be used by phantoms as far as I know.


they should use all the popeye missiles in that case next operation :).
 

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Considering missile usage in Ukraine, we should stock more than 1000 atmaca, 1500 som variants and 3000 Çakırs. And depends on platforms on which kuzgun will be used, we need to have 500 kuzguns for each platforms.
 

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How far Turkey plan to shoot with 155mm artillery?
I think 55 - 60 km max.

I think that Turkiye is not in a hurry about 155 mm guided ammunition. Because we are already meeting this tactical need with 122 mm guided artillery rockets.

Our first priority in guided munitions is to establish an air defense umbrella as quickly as possible. Our second priority in guided munitions is production capacity. After these two issues are settled, we can turn our attention to the 155 mm artillery munitions.

In that case, I think we should consider laser-guided artillery ammunition with increased range by ramjet. IIR guidance for these can be discussed much later.
 
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I think 1000-1200 cruise missiles (Som variants, Land Atmaca and Gezgin) with the same number balistic missiles ( Bora, Tayfun and X) are enough for us now. Of course there will be in total 700-800 Çakır variants and Kuzgun TJ. Plus at the end of the process we will have nearly 500 Atmaca variants. Atmaca RF, RF+IIR, Land based Atmaca, Air launched one and Sub-Atmaca.
 

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How far Turkey plan to shoot with 155mm artillery?

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60km flight range means nothing since missile probably slow down to speeds lower than 1.5 mach at that range. 30km effective range is a more realistic measurement of performance.
 

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60km flight range means nothing since missile probably slow down to speeds lower than 1.5 mach at that range. 30km effective range is a more realistic measurement of performance.
I know, but kinematical max range of AIM120B is also around 60-70km
 

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Wowowow let me get this right, Bozdoğan's max kinematic range is not 25km but 60

Ok that's AIM120B levels from a WVR missile, I wonder the 60+km we got for Gökdoğan, maybe it is also the effective range

Yeah 60 km but at what altitude ? Definitely not at 5k feet. At 50k feet it can probably do more than 60 km on a straight line.
 

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Regarding Gökdoğan Mr. Demir had a statment. while giving information about the GÖKDOĞAN air-to-air missile in the program, Demir said that the range of GÖKDOĞAN is more than 100 km and that he cannot give more details on this subject. 100 km + should be its max. effective range but not max kinematic range. What do you think? And is it possible to reach this range with existing f 16 radars (to lock on with radars I mean)? And what about MURAD radar? Will it be possible to lock on missiles in ranges around 100 120 kms?

We know that the requirements of the TurAF for this missile was 65 km. Maybe this was related to current f 16 radars lock on capability.

 
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