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You know how to read? Or do I need spell it out that making a 1400SHP turboshaft engine for ROTARY aircraft is nowhere near the complexity of developing and testing a 35000lbf turbofan engine and making it fly a FIXED WING asset successfully? Not talking about tests or prototypes, but actually flying the plane? You follow? Even with RR cooperation we'll have it flying around 2030, with no help We don't have a new jet until 2040s. You're like that Iraqi minister saying "everything is fine folks". How about you wake up from that Iraqi/Russian mindset of ignoring the cold reality on the ground.
How many company can you count right know that are able to develop 1400shp turboshaft engines with single crystal blades?
Turkey succeeded to Come up with engine waiting cerfitication process and so far everthing is going Fine.
I am not saying, it will be going flawlessly. However, our aerospace manufacturing capabilites is one of the best in the world. Thats why People believe its feasibility even tough it is hardest challenge we ever faced.
Tf6000 engine will be a demonstrator of what we ll be capable of.
 

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You know how to read? Or do I need spell it out that making a 1400SHP turboshaft engine for ROTARY aircraft is nowhere near the complexity of developing and testing a 35000lbf turbofan engine and making it fly a FIXED WING asset successfully? Not talking about tests or prototypes, but actually flying the plane? You follow? Even with RR cooperation we'll have it flying around 2030, with no help We don't have a new jet until 2040s. You're like that Iraqi minister saying "everything is fine folks". How about you wake up from that Iraqi/Russian mindset of ignoring the cold reality on the ground.
You need to educate yourself better before you barge in with your half-baked opinions. I assume you're not gonna read the thread but if I may suggest, there is a search section that you can use to search the posts of certain users. @Nilgiri (he's a professional) and @Yasar know much about turbine engines. You could create a query to read their posts and inform yourself better. Then, maybe we could learn a thing or two from you.

Here's I created one for you.


You could explore the thread with less effort. The engine problems are delineated by these users many times before.
 

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By the way, to find a relevant info suggesting the single Word "engine" in search bar for this topic makes me laugh. This is not how SEO works.
You could always add more parameters to the query and narrow your search results. We're not running raw SQL commands on forum database here. It's a function provided by the website. The options are limited but it's still good.

And my reply wasn't for you.
 

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@Nilgiri would like to read your evaluation in light of the newly published information about TEI and the road ahead to create an TF-X class engine.

Mr Aksit gives a very useful summary here of what is involved and what timelines are (2 - 3 years for lot of RnD parts) often like when converting/improving or scaling up a core (from current one in TS-1400) for employment in basis of larger turbofan (TF-6000)

His implying ~1:1 bypass ratio for TF-6000 illustrates the MIUS basically will balance supersonic capability with payload/range/endurance curves as best as theoretically possible. Since going above this will make supersonic impossible and going well below it (and having lower bypass realm) will reduce the mass and payload efficiency of the platform.

I mention this earlier in MIUS thread post (the entire post can be read there for context):

Military turbofans that go supersonic also have to follow this constraint and are essentially fan augmented turbojets. There is more design expectation for such aircraft to perform in the subsonic realm (compared to say a concorde) so having/balancing as much as bypass as possible is a good advantage since you have more effective range/time that way.

But generally cannot go much above a bypass ratio of 1:1 if you want to have supersonic capability (you start to invest too much in the fan side of things and impose penalties on the core relative to the mission/design profile of the aircraft). i.e To better provide for supersonic capability at larger engine thrusts, simply the bypass ratio is often kept in 0.5 - 0.8 design range so as to not impose on having larger afterburner or having complex intake systems for the engine itself.

The rest of this interview article with Mr. Aksit contains useful information for audience on matters in general when you approach inflection points of development in this arena as you gain experience in various disciplines within it, but at same time also scaling up during timeline pressure as well. i.e how it also continues with maturing of TF-6000 to then a TF-30000 etc (for TF-X platform eventually).

In end as @Yasar mentioned before iirc, proof in pudding is the eating, so Turkish gas turbine development, result and application will be very interesting to watch and see how it all goes this decade and next one.

Some of the earlier discussion regarding TS--->TF core w.r.t Turk progression+ambition here that may be of interest for folks to read over a few pages etc :


There was another one too I remember w.r.t weight estimates and such iirc, I'll try find it later

EDIT: nvm its the same post I already gave at top, can use quote arrow etc.
 
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You could always add more parameters to the query and narrow your search results. We're not running raw SQL commands on forum database here. It's a function provided by the website. The options are limited but it's still good.

And my reply wasn't for you.

Actually I just searched my own posts using "turbojet" and then "weight" just now lol because I remembered I mentioned them like "fan augmented turbojet" before heh.
 
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Actually, i am following them and respect their opinion. I did not make any certain statement. However, you have to be more specific about my half baked ideas.

I am not too focused on how we cannot do it but rather what are certain milestones that we have to pass. There is a guy spamming same sht over and over again thats what bothers me. If there is something is not possible, at least there is some concrete obstacle or indication related to development of tf engine projects like that was seen in Altay powerpack. Yet there is not any evidence like that and tei is developing tf6000 engine at this point.

By the way, to find a relevant info suggesting the single Word "engine" in search bar for this topic makes me laugh. This is not how SEO works.
FYI the comment you replied to there was not in reply to you but to the clown.
 

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If you want to look for weaknesses in the TFX development you should look at the raw materials that go into turbine blade production. They are still imported but there is development work for their in house production.
 

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If you want to look for weaknesses in the TFX development you should look at the raw materials that go into turbine blade production. They are still imported but there is development work for their in house production.
Mahmut Aksit on a recent interview, said that we now have produced the raw metal alloys that are needed in the production of single crystal blades. @Javaid ’s post Dr Aksit makes a point of it. Most vital ones are now produced in house.
 

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Mahmut Aksit on a recent interview, said that we now have produced the raw metal alloys that are needed in the production of single crystal blades. @Javaid ’s post Dr Aksit makes a point of it. Most vital ones are now produced in house.
These alloys come in generations and there is like an average of 30°c advantage over an older generation. I understand that these efforts will continue as larger engines will require better and better materials. I will still take this as an ongoing effort rather than a done deal with intermediate milestones achieved. Combined with the fact that a lot of the parts' performance comes from good cooling I belive the TFX performance requirements will be met in any case.
 

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Wait, TF6000 and TF10000 is not the same?
When afterburner kicks in, a 50% increase of sudden ”pulse” of thrust is exerted on all engine parts and engine to plane connections. A complete new engine has to be built to withstand to this force to stop it from crushing in to itself. Hence a different engine nomenclature.
Just like Honeywell F124 and Honeywell F125 engines.
 

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Heck! Putting so many zeros while writing is literally torture. Let one of you tell the people at TEI. "TF6K" encoding instead of TF6000 works just as well. The "K" of Kilo, that is 1000... Thus, TF10000AB becomes TF10KAB, TF35000AB becomes TF35KAB, etc etc.
 

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National high speed marine diesel engine by TUMOSAN.

To be certified for naval uses.
 

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Specs? 105 HP or new one?
This is a new one, based on TTZA engine, whichever engine it was based on, add 40% power thanks to the water cooling. Not sure about the power but should be 500-600 or even higher.
 

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This is a new one, based on TTZA engine, whichever engine it was based on, add 40% power thanks to the water cooling. Not sure about the power but should be 500-600 or even higher.
500 HP and above is very good number. Our yacht companies can also use this engine instead of man engines or Volvo engines that they mostly use.
 

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500 HP and above is very good number. Our yacht companies can also use this engine instead of man engines or Volvo engines that they mostly use.
They need to take a long way to target yacht business. But unmanned platforms and mass produced inspection boats or patrol boats are very good to begin with to gain experience.
They seem to target up to 10000 HP engines but not sure how doable at the moment. That would be sufficient to provide up to 4000 HP currently.
 

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