Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[blackjack]

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[Ecderha]

Another putins T-90 tank was destroyed

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[Ecderha]

Do not watch if you have weak heart
See what putin soliders did to their commander

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1622264816587997187

 

[Gary]

TOP 5 TYPES OF WEAPON THAT HAS THE MOST EFFECT ON BATTLEFIELD FOR THE UKRAINIAN SIDE.

1. First and foremost, it is the Ukrainian artillery, all kind of howitzers as well as variety of short range type C rocket artilleries. There is no debate about this one.
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2. Thousands of ATGW supplied by the west including Javelin, NLAW as well as indigenous Stuhna-P, which destroyed several thousands Russian tanks and vehicles and stop the heavy armored penetration deep into Ukrainian territory.
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3. Ukrainian short and medium range air defense systems which did a tremendous job of shooting down dozens of Russian aircrafts and intercepting hundreds of Russian missiles, Thus giving the Ukrainian force as much as it could, a chance to survive and fight back instead of being completely annihilated by Russian bombing and missile strikes.
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4. Ukrainian heavy Armor which took the initial shock of the invasion and later led the offensive for liberation of the occupied territory.

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5. the infamous HIMARS, long range precision strike rocket artillery which literally hammered the Russian logistics and took out the operational nerve centers behind enemy line. Thus setting condition for later offensive.
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@Gary @Jacop @Relic and others. What do you guys think?

I think drones are the less sexy but most impactful piece of hardware. Even more impactful than the artillery donations of the West. Cheap and plentiful drones like this helps Ukraine identify, locate and track targets. Commander no longer have to guess where the enemy is hiding and the clarity of modern camera and sensors are just superb.

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Wars are increasingly a real life version of RTS games​

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Pic : Ukraine command center in Bakhmut​

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No wonder they buy this in bulk now.​

https://mezha.media/en/2023/01/30/ukraine-ordered-105-quantum-systems-vector-surveillance-uavs/

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[Afif]

I think drones are the less sexy but most impactful piece of hardware. Even more impactful than the artillery donations of the West. Cheap and plentiful drones like this helps Ukraine identify, locate and track targets. Commander no longer have to guess where the enemy is hiding and the clarity of modern camera and sensors are just superb.

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1613960184350507022

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Wars are increasingly a real life version of RTS games​

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Pic : Ukraine command center in Bakhmut​

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No wonder they buy this in bulk now.​

https://mezha.media/en/2023/01/30/ukraine-ordered-105-quantum-systems-vector-surveillance-uavs/

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Yes. i could have put the drone with artillery as part of combination.

But i was listing stand alone types of weapon which delivered the direct lethal effects/fires.

 

[blackjack]

I am assuming that Russians are saving these kinds of weapons in a conflict with NATO.

https://en.topwar.ru/179598-perspektivnyj-protivotankovyj-kompleks-germes-poluchit-novuju-versiju.html

Противотанковый ракетный комплекс "Гермес"

Hopefully I dont have to elaborate why this is a nightmare weapon being combined using the data off helicopters that can identify tanks 100kms away on radar. The Klevok-D2 will be bigger nightmare if Russia develops new helicopter radars using photonic integrated circuits where production would start in 2024 to guide those missiles.

 

[Gary]

Yes. i could have put the drone with artillery as part of combination.

But i was listing stand alone types of weapon which delivered the direct lethal effects/fires.

Yup, without drones overhead Ukraine's HIMARS won't be as effective. Russian artillery being more primitive also helps Ukraine achieve a shorter sensor to shooter kill chain. In a PzH2000 or HIMARS you got the coordinate, enter the coordinate to the digital fire computer and fire. Not quite sure with Russians but this looks primitive

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1613848855451164675

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1622305244263714818

+ it helps a lot that Ukraine L52 guns outrange and out accurate the Russians, so we will have to wait how this combination of sophisticated Western MBT + artillery and more drones perform next summer once Ukraine launch the awaited summer offensive.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1621946130056577026

 

[blackjack]

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[blackjack]

+ it helps a lot that Ukraine L52 guns outrange and out accurate the Russians, so we will have to wait how this combination of sophisticated Western MBT + artillery and more drones perform next summer once Ukraine launch the awaited summer offensive.

M777s outrange most of the soviet artillery used but that did not stop shorter range krasnopol shells from targetting them, from the specs the pzh 2000 and L52 cant outrange the koalition howitzer nor can HIMARS outrange the Tornado-S and it hasn't helped them stop Wagner either. Only giving some friendly reminders.

 

[blackjack]

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[Gary]

M777s outrange most of the soviet artillery used but that did not stop shorter range krasnopol shells from targetting them, from the specs the pzh 2000 and L52 cant outrange the koalition howitzer nor can HIMARS outrange the Tornado-S and it hasn't helped them stop Wagner either. Only giving some friendly reminders.

Ukraine's artillery outrange all known Russian artillery including the experimental Koalitsiya. With the war dragging on, Russia will rely more on more on Hyacinth and Akatsiya

Yes, the Rheinmetall RH155 L52 like it or not still holds the absolute world record on range with 76 km reported in 2019. Koalitsiya claims of having 80km is just that...claims

Rheinmetall sets three new distance records for indirect fire in South Africa​

At a test fire event on 6 November at the Alkantpan Test Range in South Africa, Rheinmetall demonstrated its extensive expertise in the world of indirect fire. In the presence of international partners and customers, the Düsseldorf, Germany-based defence contractor proved how new technologies can be used to boost the performance of systems that are already in extensive use around the world – those which meet the NATO standards set out in the Joint Ballistics Memorandum of Understanding (JBMoU) as well as non-JBMoU systems. During the event, three new maximum effective range records were set using various guns. A G6 howitzer with a 52-calibre gun achieved the longest range ever attained with a conventional 155mm artillery round: 76 kilometres, while the 52-calibre gun of PzH2000 self-propelled howitzer lobbed a shell 67 kilometres. Finally, a field howitzer with a 39-calibre gun attained a range of 54 kilometres.​

Rheinmetall

Rheinmetall ist ein führendes internationales Systemhaus der Verteidigungsindustrie und zugleich Treiber zukunftsweisender Innovationen auf den zivilen Märkten.

www.rheinmetall-defence.com

As for the HIMARS, nothing to say more as how only 8 of those put an end to so called Novorissiya.

 

[blackjack]

Ukraine's artillery outrange all known Russian artillery including the experimental Koalitsiya. With the war dragging on, Russia will rely more on more on Hyacinth and Akatsiya

Yes, the Rheinmetall RH155 L52 like it or not still holds the absolute world record on range with 76 km reported in 2019. Koalitsiya claims of having 80km is just that...claims

The tornadoes were few in numbers before but than they production increased to God knows how many when they announced 3 work shifts for 24 hours of production. Rather if the same thing is being done for koalition is yet to be seen but we cant just assume it isnt.

So spec wise the koalition is better and the koalition will be even better with ramjet rounds that have a 170km range (I can give a source if you like on that?

As for the HIMARS, nothing to say more as how only 8 of those put an end to so called Novorissiya.

Oh really? tell me who is being pushed back?

 

[Afif]

Yup, without drones overhead Ukraine's HIMARS won't be as effective. Russian artillery being more primitive also helps Ukraine achieve a shorter sensor to shooter kill chain. In a PzH2000 or HIMARS you got the coordinate, enter the coordinate to the digital fire computer and fire. Not quite sure with Russians but this looks primitive

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1613848855451164675

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1622305244263714818

+ it helps a lot that Ukraine L52 guns outrange and out accurate the Russians, so we will have to wait how this combination of sophisticated Western MBT + artillery and more drones perform next summer once Ukraine launch the awaited summer offensive.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1621946130056577026

You know what i think? i think, every artillery platoon like that one above {not a battery} must have the following systems organic to its formation.

1. Avenger/Sungur type defense systems.

2. And a Bramor C4EYE / RQ 20 Puma type UAVs for ISR and target acquisitions.

 

[Gary]

Oh really? tell me who is being pushed back?

So spec wise the koalition is better and the koalition will be even better with ramjet rounds that have a 170km range (I can give a source if you like on that?

no, and most important of all....Koalitsiya doesn't exist in the Ukraine battlefield. Hence Russian servicemen will be have to be happy with thier old MSTA, Hyacinth and Akatsiya.

Meanwhile Ukraine will have access on the very best the market could offer.

 

[blackjack]

Care to explain what happened in Soledar and Bakhmut, Gary?

no, and most important of all....Koalitsiya doesn't exist in the Ukraine battlefield. Hence Russian servicemen will be have to be happy with thier old MSTA, Hyacinth and Akatsiya.

Meanwhile Ukraine will have access on the very best the market could offer.

How do you know this and you are so sure of it? The Armatas and tornadoes entered the battlefield later when there were earlier claims that they were too small in numbers before. What makes you think the same is not being done to koalition or do they always announce in public stuff they produce? Wouldn't say best if I don't see what makes it better.

 

[Gary]

Care to explain what happened in Soledar and Bakhmut, Gary?

Bakhmut still stands and Soledar happens to be a very small settlement not even worth of mention. If this is Russia's answer for losing all gains in the North and South, it seems like pretty good deal.

When the Japanese were obliterated in Midway at the same time they happened to have seize the islands near Alaska. Technically its a win for the Japanese, but Pyrrhic.

If anything Bakhmut gives you an idea why Russia will never be able to capture settlements as large as Kyiv or Kharkiv.

How do you know this and you are so sure of it? The Armatas and tornadoes entered the battlefield later when there were earlier claims that they were too small in numbers before. What makes you think the same is not being done to koalition or do they always announce in public stuff they produce? Wouldn't say best if I don't see what makes it better.

Its near a year now and there's only one sighting of the Armata.

But you can believe everything you want, I mean this is not the first time that your Russian wonder weapons failed its tasks, I'm already in this thread long before the war starts remember ?

 

[blackjack]

Bakhmut still stands and Soledar happens to be a very small settlement not even worth of mention. If this is Russia's answer for losing all gains in the North and South, it seems like pretty good deal.

When the Japanese were obliterated in Midway at the same time they happened to have seize the islands near Alaska. Technically its a win for the Japanese, but Pyrrhic.

If anything Bakhmut gives you an idea why Russia will never be able to capture settlements as large as Kyiv or Kharkiv.

in case you dont know Soledar like Bakhmut is a city. and the current situation in Bakhmut is that they are getting encircled. They moved even closer to Seversk and Ugledar. Kyiv and khariv will depend how many units there will be left if you remember this?

Its near a year now and there's only one sighting of the Armata.

But you can believe everything you want, I mean this is not the first time that your Russian wonder weapons failed its tasks, I'm already in this thread long before the war starts remember ?

western wonder weapons have always failed in smaller conflicts like the leopards in Syria or the abrams around yemen and there have been more videos of the armatas than just a sighting.

 

[Gary]

in case you dont know Soledar like Bakhmut is a city.

yes a city, a small city, which is actually a town. We call it semi urban settlements.

and the current situation in Bakhmut is that they are getting encircled. They moved even closer to Seversk and Ugledar. Kyiv and khariv will depend how many units there will be left if you remember this?

6 months, is the time needed to advance, and even then Bakhmut happens to be far from getting encircled and this for a sleepy town. with less than 500K pop pre war.

You talk Kyiv Kharkiv intentionally blind with the fact that most Ukraine best operational unit are in Bealrus and Russian borders anticipating another attack.

western wonder weapons have always failed in smaller conflicts like the leopards in Syria or the abrams around yemen and there have been more videos of the armatas than just a sighting.

None of which took a beating at the level the T-80/90 has in Ukraine.

 

[blackjack]

yes a city, a small city, which is actually a town. We call it semi urban settlements.

So you admit its a city, thanks.

6 months, is the time needed to advance, and even then Bakhmut happens to be far from getting encircled and this for a sleepy town. with less than 500K pop pre war.

You talk Kyiv Kharkiv intentionally blind with the fact that most Ukraine best operational unit are in Bealrus and Russian borders anticipating another attack.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1622317850223329280

Are you pretending not to see all those red and blue boxes I posted of which and where the units are at? Why has there been soo much footage on the web of AFU pointing guns at civilians to be meat sponges? if all those blue squares are gone more blue squares are needed and than those blue squares will be filled with people that didnt even want to fight in this war.

None of which took a beating at the level the T-80/90 has in Ukraine.

According to Russian reports about 10 T-90s. And the west not providing their tanks earlier in the war but a year later sure says alot to me, or even begging south Americans now from the looks of it.

 

[Gary]

So you admit its a city, thanks.

Yes the same way I admit Vatican is a city

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1622317850223329280

Are you pretending not to see all those red and blue boxes I posted of which and where the units are at? Why has there been soo much footage on the web of AFU pointing guns at civilians to be meat sponges? if all those blue squares are gone more blue squares are needed and than those blue squares will be filled with people that didnt even want to fight in this war.

Units get rotated, losses will affect unit composition, intentional concealment of units is the norm in a dynamic front and all you and your russian comrade can do is talk positions in a map.

This is what I notice from russian supporters online, while Russia failed most of this objective they kept talking about attacking here and there on a map as if their foe would play into their own hands.