TR Aftermath of the earthquakes in Turkey's South-east

[Anmdt]

Miner team's work. In several buildings they have dug up tunnels from beneath, instead of top, to rescue people.

They have used whatever they can recycle from city, especially wooden electricity - telephone poles.

 

[dBSPL]

Announcement regarding the unfounded news that the Taiwanese team was removed during the search and rescue efforts in Adıyaman

The recent news shared in the press and social media in Türkiye regarding that Taiwanese rescue team was removed during the search and rescue efforts in Adıyaman, does NOT reflect the truth.

The common goal and first priority of everyone in the disaster fields is to "save lives". The Taiwanese search and rescue team has exerted all its efforts to conduct search and rescue works during operation period. Taiwanese rescue team has followed the cooperation with international coordination center and the request of local government so that the highest capacity of rescue efforts can be ensured.

https://www.roc-taiwan.org/tr_tr/post/3834.html

Official announcement of Taiwanese search and rescue team

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1625163087853629440

This news is actually not from China Times, but from Taiwan's state agency CNA. The person who told CNA is not one of the team members, but Yemasi (葉瑪思), a Turkish academic named Yilmaz Keskin, who came to Turkiye with the team to act as a translator.

According to the original article, Keskin criticizes the Taiwanese team, saying that they were 'politely' removed from the site, that it was 'hurtful to do this to your own people' and that they were 'treated like toys'.

At the same time, Keskin says that 'the Taiwanese search and rescue team did its part, the follow-up should be left to the Turkish government and the Turkish people should trust in their own strength'.

Keskin also does not make a statement like "The Taiwanese team did all the work, the Turkish team made it look like they did it". In any case, the news report is not critical in general, they told Keskin's story and he shared this unpleasant anecdote.

By the way, the Taiwanese team did not decide to leave the country 'over this incident'. According to older reports in the Taiwanese press, the team was already scheduled to return on the 15th of this month.

Keskin, who has lived in the region for many years, is an assistant professor at Tunghai University and teaches a course called 'Exploring the Middle East from Turkiye'.

https://thu.edu.tw/web/news/news_detail.php?cid=8&id=3707

 

[Lool]

Even in the towns of a relatively less densely populated city like Kahramanmaras we cant that, how can they done this in Istanbul? People died and now we are moving the district. It will be the same in Istanbul. But more people will die.

Istanbul needs to expand and the population density should be re-settled as much as possible in risky neighborhoods such as Avcılar, Pendik, Tuzla, Kadıköy, Üsküdar, Fatih, Şişli, Küçükçekmece, Bakırköy, Beylikdüzü, Güngören, Maltepe, Zeytinburnu, which were subjected to very serious wild construction in the 80s and have old building stock. There are such neighborhoods, especially on the European side, where there are seas of concrete, consisting of endless adjacent apartment buildings along dozens of streets. The main threat in Istanbul is these contiguous buildings. In the event of a devastating earthquake, hundreds of streets will be inaccessible.

Although the fate of some neighborhoods in Istanbul is so obvious, rents have increased more than 5 times in the last 3 years and apartment prices have increased at least 5 times. Apartment prices are 6-10 million liras in apartment buildings that will almost collapse on their own. However, the zoning problem in these areas is very complicated. The buildings are already 6-7 floors, +10 floors in some districts of Kadıköy and Şişli, and the apartments are +100 square meters. Apartment dwellers cannot even agree among themselves, they do not want the square meters of their houses to decrease, if they have a penthouse, they do not want a middle floor. When they want to be given to the contractor in return for flats, sharing problems cannot be solving due to the zoning status. When the residents want to collect money among themselves and re-built, there are disagreements. Roughly speaking, the measure we have developed to renew our building stock against earthquakes is to increase the population density, and even this system is not fully functioning because of all the problems.

Years go by, years go by, until a new disaster strikes. You cannot empty Istanbul by making it unlivable for low and middle-income people. We have to face reality and everyone has to make sacrifices.

Here is the problem
You cant expand Istanbul at all

While Turkey has a big landspace, majority of it are either top-classs forests or deserts in the Eastern portion of the country. Humanity in general tends to build cities near waterbodies and such areas are filled with forests that MUST BE PRESERVED

One of the reasons ppl were angry about the new Istanbul city near that idiotic new canal project was how Erdogan was gonna destroy thousands of acres of forests to establish a new city.

So are the Turks ready to literally deforest 60% of its forestry to rebuild and replan major cities like Izmir and Istanbul? The answer is no! No money or time or even a politician would embark on such a project and even the ppl may not support it

 

[Lool]

Turkey seriosuly need to eliminate the HDP from Turkey
These ppl are insane
They are ready to kill 80 million ppl just to see thier shitty kurdistan
I truly expect no more from communist scum


Translation
PKK supporters set fire to the aid collected in Germany for earthquake victims in Turkey. Terror supporters also set fire to the Turkish flag hanging at the place where the aid was located.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1625421374746513408

 

[YeşilVatan]

Here is the problem
You cant expand Istanbul at all

While Turkey has a big landspace, majority of it are either top-classs forests or deserts in the Eastern portion of the country. Humanity in general tends to build cities near waterbodies and such areas are filled with forests that MUST BE PRESERVED

One of the reasons ppl were angry about the new Istanbul city near that idiotic new canal project was how Erdogan was gonna destroy thousands of acres of forests to establish a new city.

So are the Turks ready to literally deforest 60% of its forestry to rebuild and replan major cities like Izmir and Istanbul? The answer is no! No money or time or even a politician would embark on such a project and even the ppl may not support it

I'm %90 sure we can actually move a lot of industry and demographics into central anatolia, build additional railways to Mersin-Adana-Hatay area and use that to reach international waters. Which would coincidentally mean our 12 mile dispute with Greeks would be much less vital on our end (but still important). A lot of the land in the Central Anatolia is vast plains, which means it's good for transportation (smaller railways, metros etc.). Most of it is not that important for agriculture, especially when compared with Thrace or Çukurova regions for example. The only real problem is water, but if we just reduce agriculture in that region by about %50 it solves both the environmental and the domestic use water source problems.

TL;DR: We must transfer ALL our industry to Central Anatolia, reserve other regions for agriculture or culture industry. This would be a giant undertakin but it would pay off so good you wouldn't believe it.

edit: also we need nuclear plants to power this industry and a significant portion of our problems are solved!

 

[dBSPL]

Here is the problem
You cant expand Istanbul at all

While Turkey has a big landspace, majority of it are either top-classs forests or deserts in the Eastern portion of the country. Humanity in general tends to build cities near waterbodies and such areas are filled with forests that MUST BE PRESERVED

One of the reasons ppl were angry about the new Istanbul city near that idiotic new canal project was how Erdogan was gonna destroy thousands of acres of forests to establish a new city.

So are the Turks ready to literally deforest 60% of its forestry to rebuild and replan major cities like Izmir and Istanbul? The answer is no! No money or time or even a politician would embark on such a project and even the ppl may not support it

I understand what you wrote, there is no need to use caps lock. But, You cannot force people out of the city they want to live in. Now people were born here, they are from here. When you can spread industry and the service sector more evenly across the country, then Istanbul will lose its attractiveness over time. More precisely, people will move to regions with the same opportunities but at a lower cost. This can only be achieved through a massive mobilization spanning decades.

If you make the expansion of Istanbul within a correct zoning plan, you protect your forest areas. It doesn't make sense that you are reacting as if I am saying that Şile forests or Belgrat forests should be destroyed, or that the only way to expand Istanbul is to create land rent around a canal. What I mean by sacrifice is that this reconstruction should be carried out without turning into a land rent. We need hundreds of neighborhoods with non-contiguous, low-rise buildings and sufficient number of assembly areas. The fastest way to achieve this is clear. Şişli, Kadıköy, Bakırköy and dozens of other districts can no longer handle more population density.

There are whole districts in Istanbul where 70% of the buildings were illegal until 10 years ago. The state distributed title deeds to all of them. In the satellite districts outside the central districts in Istanbul, which have merged with the city line over time, the title deeds of the majority of the buildings are based on a squatter settlement. What created these districts was poverty in Anatolia and the Black Sea, and then terrorism in southeastern Anatolia. My family came in the 1950s because people were struggling with famine. Someone else's family came in the 80s because they didn't want to sacrifice their children to the terrorist organization. So, of course, I agree with most of the things that have been said on this issue, but they should be part of a long-term plan in a broader perspective.

More than 15 million people live in Istanbul. Their jobs are here, their lives are here. A significant number of Turkish members of this forum live in Istanbul, ask them if they can live in their hometowns... What we can do at the earliest to ensure that fewer of our people die in the coming earthquake disaster is to move as many people as possible into low-rise and earthquake-resistant buildings. There is no land in the city. Renovating apartment buildings with 20 apartments to 24 apartments (which is now an optimistic average), leaving 4 apartments to the contractor and increasing the number of floors does not work. This is what I wanted to explain.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Turkey seriosuly need to eliminate the HDP from Turkey
These ppl are insane
They are ready to kill 80 million ppl just to see thier shitty kurdistan
I truly expect no more from communist scum


Translation
PKK supporters set fire to the aid collected in Germany for earthquake victims in Turkey. Terror supporters also set fire to the Turkish flag hanging at the place where the aid was located.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1625421374746513408

Their end must be nigh then.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1625179876662693888

Kyrgyz yurts for earthquake victims.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1625190307158495254

 

[Fuzuli NL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1625206218707898382

Senegal sent 30 personnel for rescue mission in Türkiye.

 

[B_A]

You cant
Turkey doesnt have enough land space to house 85 million ppl in single storey houses
Sadly, skyscrapers are a must

I hate apartments and skyscrapers.

They are terrifying.

The single storey are far much terrible

İt make Tokyo five or six times larger than Istanbul or London(you can see Google map)

I have to take 2 hour of metro every single trip to my office

 

[Chocopie]

Twitter is full of rumors, fake news and blatant lies. Newest dumbest story: The Chinese embassy in Paris and a Chinese general consul in Belfast tweeted videos how Chinese-built 1915 Çanakkale bridge withstood the earthquake in Türkiye.

1. The bridge over the Dardanelles Strait is 950 km away from the earthquake zone.

2. Designed by Danish architects and built by a consortium of Korean-Turkish construction companies.

3. How shameless to brag in these times of death, destruction and despair!!!

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The inaccurate Chinese caption of the video showing the 1915 Canakkale Bridge posted on Twitter by Chinese diplomat Zhang Meifang reads, “Sichuan Road Bridge, a subsidiary of the Shudao Group, is the sole participant in the construction of the world's longest-span suspension bridge by a Chinese-funded enterprise.″

Chinese diplomat deletes inaccurate post about bridge in Turkey

A Chinese diplomat in Northern Ireland uploaded a video to social media on Monday morning that inaccurately claimed a partially Korean-engineered bridge in Turkey withstood the recent devastating earthquake thanks to Chinese technology.

koreajoongangdaily.joins.com

 

[Fighter_35]

Idk if this is fake news or not so I posted it here so that other members with more info can aid me in identifying whether such news is true or false

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624502499091652608

Of course it is a fake news like almost everything that akp channels share!! They are even that low that they are not correcting their news!! On a normal country they would be paying million USD for suck a fake news!!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624712334743683073

 

[Tornadoss]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1625190889667629072

The guy talking say they worked on the building at the background to rescue people. They reached to 6 people but all were passed away. The day the video taken, they get news that there is a grandmother and 2 kids under the rubble. They reached the grandmother and older kid however they were dead, but then they heard a sound they called professionals. He says now the rescue teams(AFAD, UKME) can not share being rescuer between themselves, when these guys worked hard to reach out the kid. He says there were nobody, they worked for rescuing the kid.

 

[Oublious]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1625190889667629072

The guy talking say they worked on the building at the background to rescue people. They reached to 6 people but all were passed away. The day the video taken, they get news that there is a grandmother and 2 kids under the rubble. They reached the grandmother and older kid however they were dead, but then they heard a sound they called professionals. He says now the rescue teams(AFAD, UKME) can not share being rescuer between themselves, when these guys worked hard to reach out the kid. He says there were nobody, they worked for rescuing the kid.

a lot of people have died because they do not now how approach wounded people, example is water. If you give people water they will die because ther organs will faill, he should be thankfull.

 

[Oublious]

another twitter lie of nevsin mengu.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1625163087853629440

first it was chinese news agency, after she was exposed she rectify it with but not the contents.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1625428557202587649

 

[Oublious]

Nevsin Mengu againg busted...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1625495885252820994

https://www.roc-taiwan.org/tr_tr/post/3834.html

 

[Oublious]

How social media is dangerous, the next video is happened because seom fakers have posted ther video that they are stealen. But it turned that they are helping, so what happened polis busted them hard.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624729360077914112

 

[Fuzuli NL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1625597256865808385

 

[Fuzuli NL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1625596610133561344