TR 2023 Turkish presidential election

[YeşilVatan]

You're wrong. 99% of the votes of HDP are taken by PKK's force of arms and intimidation.

Search the internet for the role of the pkk in the elections and the method of voting. The pkk, who made the people of the region say "I am a Kurd" at gunpoint, will not interfere with my vote in the election. In addition, if the CHP did not support in the previous election, there would not be a party called HDP in the parliament now. Remember, one vote eat chp from every house, one vote eat hdp campaign.

Meh. I don't buy it.

The way I see it, at least half of the Kurds are "on the other side", organized in concentric circles:

1. On the very outside, you have general Kurdish public who are somewhat supportive of PKK's goals, but won't really act on it. These are generally the people who would be staunch patriots if Kurdistan was a thing.
2. A much smaller circle would encompass activists. These guys are involved with far-left or PKK adjacent organizations or groups. They may be engaged in social media activism, lawfare and community organizing type of stuff. They are the 'civilian resistance'.
3. A smaller circle would have people who directly get orders from PKK/KCK who operate within the law. Mostly disguised among the 'civilian resistance', these guys provide direction to the larger movement or exploit all sorts of opportunities to further their cause.
4. Then comes full blown PKK/YPG militants
5. Then comes PKK/KCK leadership
6. And finally; western operatives

Solutions:

1. People in this category must be discouraged from hopping up the ladder to the second category.
2. People in this category should be de-personed and alienated from society. They should be de-banked, cancelled, banned from all sorts of services. Their lives must be hard.
3. People in this category should be imprisoned or subjected to paramilitary violence.
4. People in this category should be killed
5. People in this category should be made an example of.
6. Sixth category, well idk really. Covert ops maybe?

The thing is, you have to apply so much pressure at levels 2-3, true believers must pursue their radical agenda, "level up", and die or go to prison. Softies must be kept in level 1.

Once Syrian operation finally happens, there will be no territory that is safe for Kurdish separatism to flourish militarily. Then this plan can truly work. Until then, this issue is a cancer that is slowly spreading through the republic's veins. If this issue is not addressed properly, we will find ourselves coping with a Balkan Catastrophe 2.0.

 

[Rooxbar]

Meh. I don't buy it.

The way I see it, at least half of the Kurds are "on the other side", organized in concentric circles:

1. On the very outside, you have general Kurdish public who are somewhat supportive of PKK's goals, but won't really act on it. These are generally the people who would be staunch patriots if Kurdistan was a thing.
2. A much smaller circle would encompass activists. These guys are involved with far-left or PKK adjacent organizations or groups. They may be engaged in social media activism, lawfare and community organizing type of stuff. They are the 'civilian resistance'.
3. A smaller circle would have people who directly get orders from PKK/KCK who operate within the law. Mostly disguised among the 'civilian resistance', these guys provide direction to the larger movement or exploit all sorts of opportunities to further their cause.
4. Then comes full blown PKK/YPG militants
5. Then comes PKK/KCK leadership
6. And finally; western operatives

Solutions:

1. People in this category must be discouraged from hopping up the ladder to the second category.
2. People in this category should be de-personed and alienated from society. They should be de-banked, cancelled, banned from all sorts of services. Their lives must be hard.
3. People in this category should be imprisoned or subjected to paramilitary violence.
4. People in this category should be killed
5. People in this category should be made an example of.
6. Sixth category, well idk really. Covert ops maybe?

The thing is, you have to apply so much pressure at levels 2-3, true believers must pursue their radical agenda, "level up", and die or go to prison. Softies must be kept in level 1.

Once Syrian operation finally happens, there will be no territory that is safe for Kurdish separatism to flourish militarily. Then this plan can truly work. Until then, this issue is a cancer that is slowly spreading through the republic's veins. If this issue is not addressed properly, we will find ourselves coping with a Balkan Catastrophe 2.0.

Number one constitutes millions of people, the rest are less than 100k. As long as no.1 exists, it will feed the ladder. So The problem is doing the first thing, others are easy. How do you achieve the goal of

• "People in this category must be discouraged from hopping up the ladder to the second category."?

 

[YeşilVatan]

Number one constitutes millions of people, the rest are less than 100k. As long as no.1 exists, it will feed the ladder. So The problem is doing the first thing, others are easy. How do you achieve the goal of

• "People in this category must be discouraged from hopping up the ladder to the second category."?

By applying massive pressure on second/third group while providing personal rights to the first group (not to be confused with collective rights). A kurd who distances itself from separatists should be able to live his/her life as a normal citizen.

But kurds as a collective should never get privileges. And to be honest I think they kinda do. The de facto situation on the ground is, kurdish people are privileged over Turks when it comes to the distribution of political power in proportion to their share of population, with the exception of Trabzon/Rize provinces and religious cults. The core demographic of this country is the real oppressed.

 

[Rooxbar]

By applying massive pressure on second/third group while providing personal rights to the first group (not to be confused with collective rights). A kurd who distances itself from separatists should be able to live his/her life as a normal citizen.

But kurds as a collective should never get privileges. And to be honest I think they kinda do. The de facto situation on the ground is, kurdish people are privileged over Turks when it comes to the distribution of political power in proportion to their share of population, with the exception of Trabzon/Rize provinces and religious cults. The core demographic of this country is the real oppressed.

My personal experience from different countries has been that those collectivist/tribalistic attitudes are best broken with thorough assimilation into a broader national background, and the best tool of this assimilation is a "good life". One might argue against my reasoning by pointing out that there are people who do have a good life and still adhere to their tribalistic attitudes and refuse to be a part of the default national identity. My counter is that, this is because they inherit those positions from family and surroundings. So although their own material conditions doesn't facilitate a tribalistic attitude, they retain it because of their history through family and surroundings. This is also the reason for persistence of these attitudes even in cities like Istanbul. I think economic development in the southeast will root out these tribalistic attitudes, because economic development breaks apart tribal formations, and your attitudes are more formed by national shared media and education more than your environment and surroundings because modernisation forces a kind of individualistic way of life.

 

[Sanchez]

For the last 50 or so years, assimilation or you could also call it nativization of Turkish Kurds worked pretty well. We have millions of hard working, patriotic Kurdish citizens that do not see the necessity to live anywhere else. PKK numbers around at what 20-30k in Turkey and Iraq combined? We have millions of citizens from Kurdish origin. If we had failed at it, in 2015-16 we'd see direct clashes between people groups in the west, but we didn't.

With the government failing at education, heavily in the last decade, as well as their islamic brotherhood nonsense failing even more, current young generation is another topic. Way to solve the issue with 1st group of people as mentioned above is giving them a life and integrating them. Giving them a good life worth living and give them the problems that come with it. They won't go around joining groups when they need to pay for their son's college. There is no other way where majority of the country lives a good, honest life.

 

[Rooxbar]

But I have to add Islamists are so much bigger of a problem than PKK/HDP could ever dream of. PKK/HDP may try to partition Türkiye, but Islamism will make sure there's no Türkiye. People in Turkey have no conception of the threat that Islamism poses; they look at AKP, YRP, stuff like that which have adopted a veneer of modernism, and don't realize that Islamists will never divulge their true intentions and the utopia they have in mind because they have a shrewd understanding of the Overton window and how to effectively shift it. The Overton window has shifted massively during the latter half of AKP rule and the population barely feels the shift, even when the shift has changed their own attitudes.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

But I have to add Islamists are so much bigger of a problem than PKK/HDP could ever dream of. PKK/HDP may try to partition Türkiye, but Islamism will make sure there's no Türkiye. People in Turkey have no conception of the threat that Islamism poses; they look at AKP, YRP, stuff like that which have adopted a veneer of modernism, and don't realize that Islamists will never divulge their true intentions and the utopia they have in mind because they have a shrewd understanding of the Overton window and how to effectively shift it. The Overton window has shifted massively during the latter half of AKP rule and the population barely feels the shift, even when the shift has changed their own attitudes.

When I look at the overall situation in Türkiye, I'm always reminded of the story of the frog being slowly boiled alive. Too many in this Country are blind and dumb asf.

 

[Baryshx]

Parties like Hdp will diminish with economic development, education and justice. Since the situation in Türkiye is not good on these issues, it is easier for the Hdp to consolidate its voters. However, in a properly governed country, they would remain a marginal and racist party.

By the way, Akp is the one who passed laws making it harder to shut down parties, just so that racist/terrorist parties like hdp and racist/sharia/terrorist parties like hüdapar are not shut down.

 

[Lool]

Parties like Hdp will diminish with economic development, education and justice. Since the situation in Türkiye is not good on these issues, it is easier for the Hdp to consolidate its voters. However, in a properly governed country, they would remain a marginal and racist party.

By the way, Akp is the one who passed laws making it harder to shut down parties, just so that racist/terrorist parties like hdp and racist/sharia/terrorist parties like hüdapar are not shut down.

You couldnt be more wrong and such statements prove that you dont even understand the core of the issue that Turkey faces with the HD

You see, Humans in general are tribal in nature. People are bound by ethinicities, race, culture, and religion etc... it is easier for radical kurds within Syria and Iraq to radicalise other kurds close to the Turkey-Syria-Iraq border. What happened is that the people were gradually brainwashed over the span of decades with one generation passing on the hatred to the new generation and so on....

What Turkey is experiencing now is the result of negligence and corruption of all the CHP and military officers who ruled Turkey pre-AKP era. When the CHP woke up to their mistake and started hunting the kurds in the late 1990s, it was already on its last feet and then came the AKP. The AKP promised bullshit peace process with the PKK to the point that Erdogan was planning to pardon all those kurds who committed atrocities against the Turkish people around 2010-2012. I believe what broke the talks was when the PKK demanded for semi-autonomy and it is only then that Erdogan woke up to the danger of the AKP and it is only then when the AKP started to lose popularity

Iam fed up talking about Turkish elections and politics as it is quite clear what path Turkey is heading to and to what degree will Turkey repeat the filthy old curse of suffering but if you actually believe that the KURDS are revolting against Turkey just due to economy and justice then with all due respect.... you are Bonkers, mate

Whatever exonomic situation Turkey is suffering from, the Turkish kurds living standards are 1 trillion times better than those in Syria and Iraq. Hell, the minimum wage is 450 dollars in Turkey while Kurds in Syria and Iraq are living in bloody fqing caves

What is happening is a long term project financed by the West and with the current events, I expect the Western countries like France, Germany, Sweden, Russia and above all THE USA are drinking champaigne to the HDP rising again

Hell even a nation as broken as Syria are owning Turkey lately. Statements by Assad on how there will be no talks with the Turkish side except after the elections and that the return of the lands the terrorists used to Syria again as a prequisite proves just how much certain foreign parties are expecting from the CHP

 

[I_Love_F16]

You couldnt be more wrong and such statements prove that you dont even understand the core of the issue that Turkey faces with the HD

You see, Humans in general are tribal in nature. People are bound by ethinicities, race, culture, and religion etc... it is easier for radical kurds within Syria and Iraq to radicalise other kurds close to the Turkey-Syria-Iraq border. What happened is that the people were gradually brainwashed over the span of decades with one generation passing on the hatred to the new generation and so on....

What Turkey is experiencing now is the result of negligence and corruption of all the CHP and military officers who ruled Turkey pre-AKP era. When the CHP woke up to their mistake and started hunting the kurds in the late 1990s, it was already on its last feet and then came the AKP. The AKP promised bullshit peace process with the PKK to the point that Erdogan was planning to pardon all those kurds who committed atrocities against the Turkish people around 2010-2012. I believe what broke the talks was when the PKK demanded for semi-autonomy and it is only then that Erdogan woke up to the danger of the AKP and it is only then when the AKP started to lose popularity

Iam fed up talking about Turkish elections and politics as it is quite clear what path Turkey is heading to and to what degree will Turkey repeat the filthy old curse of suffering but if you actually believe that the KURDS are revolting against Turkey just due to economy and justice then with all due respect.... you are Bonkers, mate

Whatever exonomic situation Turkey is suffering from, the Turkish kurds living standards are 1 trillion times better than those in Syria and Iraq. Hell, the minimum wage is 450 dollars in Turkey while Kurds in Syria and Iraq are living in bloody fqing caves

What is happening is a long term project financed by the West and with the current events, I expect the Western countries like France, Germany, Sweden, Russia and above all THE USA are drinking champaigne to the HDP rising again

Hell even a nation as broken as Syria are owning Turkey lately. Statements by Assad on how there will be no talks with the Turkish side except after the elections and that the return of the lands the terrorists used to Syria again as a prequisite proves just how much certain foreign parties are expecting from the CHP

Either way AKParty need to lose. They did enough damage to this country. Kilicdaroglu can be removed if necessary. Erdogan and his Islamist friends can’t. Overall this is far more dangerous than everything else right now.

 

[Baryshx]

You couldnt be more wrong and such statements prove that you dont even understand the core of the issue that Turkey faces with the HD

You see, Humans in general are tribal in nature. People are bound by ethinicities, race, culture, and religion etc... it is easier for radical kurds within Syria and Iraq to radicalise other kurds close to the Turkey-Syria-Iraq border. What happened is that the people were gradually brainwashed over the span of decades with one generation passing on the hatred to the new generation and so on....

What Turkey is experiencing now is the result of negligence and corruption of all the CHP and military officers who ruled Turkey pre-AKP era. When the CHP woke up to their mistake and started hunting the kurds in the late 1990s, it was already on its last feet and then came the AKP. The AKP promised bullshit peace process with the PKK to the point that Erdogan was planning to pardon all those kurds who committed atrocities against the Turkish people around 2010-2012. I believe what broke the talks was when the PKK demanded for semi-autonomy and it is only then that Erdogan woke up to the danger of the AKP and it is only then when the AKP started to lose popularity

Iam fed up talking about Turkish elections and politics as it is quite clear what path Turkey is heading to and to what degree will Turkey repeat the filthy old curse of suffering but if you actually believe that the KURDS are revolting against Turkey just due to economy and justice then with all due respect.... you are Bonkers, mate

Whatever exonomic situation Turkey is suffering from, the Turkish kurds living standards are 1 trillion times better than those in Syria and Iraq. Hell, the minimum wage is 450 dollars in Turkey while Kurds in Syria and Iraq are living in bloody fqing caves

What is happening is a long term project financed by the West and with the current events, I expect the Western countries like France, Germany, Sweden, Russia and above all THE USA are drinking champaigne to the HDP rising again

Hell even a nation as broken as Syria are owning Turkey lately. Statements by Assad on how there will be no talks with the Turkish side except after the elections and that the return of the lands the terrorists used to Syria again as a prequisite proves just how much certain foreign parties are expecting from the CHP

Learn history first. For 70 years Chp has not been in power alone. Chp came to power with coalition for short periods a few times, but there is no need to even count them.

The soldiers who carried out the coup are all americanist, Fetöist and religious extremists.

 

[Lool]

Learn history first. For 70 years Chp has not been in power alone. Chp came to power with coalition for short periods a few times, but there is no need to even count them.

The soldiers who carried out the coup are all American, Fetöist and religious extremists.

That is why I said CHP and military officers; they are the ones who ruled through most of Turkish history pre AKP and it is because they were aamerican spies and Fetoists that they left the USA to do whatever it pleases in the kurdish region

Fetoists had nothing to do with religion; they were a group of spies hired by the US to control the other side of the spedtrum in Turkey; that is all

And now the same scenario is repeating itself again

 

[dBSPL]

Parties like Hdp will diminish with economic development, education and justice. Since the situation in Türkiye is not good on these issues, it is easier for the Hdp to consolidate its voters. However, in a properly governed country, they would remain a marginal and racist party.

By the way, Akp is the one who passed laws making it harder to shut down parties, just so that racist/terrorist parties like hdp and racist/sharia/terrorist parties like hüdapar are not shut down.

The laws that make it difficult to close down a party are at the heart of the problem. I really wonder, what more does a party have to do to be shut down? Or let me put it this way, in how many countries in the world would this party be able to remain on legal ground?

 

[Baryshx]

That is why I said CHP and military officers; they are the ones who ruled through most of Turkish history pre AKP and it is because they were aamerican spies and Fetoists that they left the USA to do whatever it pleases in the kurdish region

Fetoists had nothing to do with religion; they were a group of spies hired by the US to control the other side of the spedtrum in Turkey; that is all

And now the same scenario is repeating itself again

You are still talking nonsense, still talking about the chp and the soldiers. Chp is not in this equation. The soldiers of the Turkish Nation and Atatürk's are also not in this equation.

There are treacherous soldiers who are the pawns of the USA and right-wing/religious parties and sects that are the pawns of the USA.

 

[bisbis]

Meh. I don't buy it.

The way I see it, at least half of the Kurds are "on the other side", organized in concentric circles:

1. On the very outside, you have general Kurdish public who are somewhat supportive of PKK's goals, but won't really act on it. These are generally the people who would be staunch patriots if Kurdistan was a thing.
2. A much smaller circle would encompass activists. These guys are involved with far-left or PKK adjacent organizations or groups. They may be engaged in social media activism, lawfare and community organizing type of stuff. They are the 'civilian resistance'.
3. A smaller circle would have people who directly get orders from PKK/KCK who operate within the law. Mostly disguised among the 'civilian resistance', these guys provide direction to the larger movement or exploit all sorts of opportunities to further their cause.
4. Then comes full blown PKK/YPG militants
5. Then comes PKK/KCK leadership
6. And finally; western operatives

Solutions:

1. People in this category must be discouraged from hopping up the ladder to the second category.
2. People in this category should be de-personed and alienated from society. They should be de-banked, cancelled, banned from all sorts of services. Their lives must be hard.
3. People in this category should be imprisoned or subjected to paramilitary violence.
4. People in this category should be killed
5. People in this category should be made an example of.
6. Sixth category, well idk really. Covert ops maybe?

The thing is, you have to apply so much pressure at levels 2-3, true believers must pursue their radical agenda, "level up", and die or go to prison. Softies must be kept in level 1.

Once Syrian operation finally happens, there will be no territory that is safe for Kurdish separatism to flourish militarily. Then this plan can truly work. Until then, this issue is a cancer that is slowly spreading through the republic's veins. If this issue is not addressed properly, we will find ourselves coping with a Balkan Catastrophe 2.0.

Break the pkk's barrel, see what's going on. Everyone is concerned about their livelihood, if it weren't for the force of arms, no one in the region has any ethnic concerns.

As I said, cia's Gladio made me say, 'Turkey, I am a Kurd', with the muzzle threat.

Those who were tortured in the Diyarbakir prison on September 12 and after were the first members to climb the mountain. The duty of the father of Öcalan's first wife. etc. remember, at that time our country was under the tutelage of Nato-driven generals. And, the MİT was belongs to soldiers.

When Öcalan was brought from Africa on the plane, what did they say first, "Welcome to Öcalan's homeland" As if he was returning from an overseas mission. it is interesting, is not it?

 

[Manomed The Second]

Break the pkk's barrel, see what's going on. Everyone is concerned about their livelihood, if it weren't for the force of arms, no one in the region has any ethnic concerns.

As I said, cia's Gladio made me say, 'Turkey, I am a Kurd', with the muzzle threat.

Those who were tortured in the Diyarbakir prison on September 12 and after were the first members to climb the mountain. The duty of the father of Öcalan's first wife. etc. remember, at that time our country was under the tutelage of Nato-driven generals. And, the MİT was belongs to soldiers.

When Öcalan was brought from Africa on the plane, what did they say first, "Welcome to Öcalan's homeland" As if he was returning from an overseas mission. it is interesting, is not it?

You know that PKK was finished during 2000s right? Under the soldiers you are blaming ah lets not forget how your precious AKP brought feto into the army and PKK cameback you have zero to no knowledge of history of PKK conflict just go believe your fairytales person who isn't from azerbaijan

 

[Manomed The Second]

That is why I said CHP and military officers; they are the ones who ruled through most of Turkish history pre AKP and it is because they were aamerican spies and Fetoists that they left the USA to do whatever it pleases in the kurdish region

Fetoists had nothing to do with religion; they were a group of spies hired by the US to control the other side of the spedtrum in Turkey; that is all

And now the same scenario is repeating itself again

Fetoists had nothing to do with religion? they kicked people for not believing to islam LOL
I rather have a good future+good economy+good teenage years(that I couldn't thanks to politics of this country) than live under bunch of islamists trying to enforce their religous rules this country isn't saudi arabia.

We all know who funds erdogan this is what happens when liyakatsız people run the country erdo doesn't even have a university degree just like most of the akp members.

 

[Manomed The Second]

Following the recently declared cooperation between CHP and PKK, it seems like many İYİ voters and other right-wing citizens are considering to abstain from the elections.

Very interesting developments ahead of us.

We live in a country where president gives out citizenship to Illegal immigrants just to win the elections If this isn't treachery I don't know what it is.

Crimes+corruption+destroying values of the republic of Türkiye anyone who thinks erdogan is a nationalist or a good leader either doesn't live here(thats mostly the akp supporters here) or non turks.

Laundering drug money to fund "Beşli çete" making deals with syrian and afghan mafias. Bringing in immigrants 24 7 to win votes and telling shit like "no one is a illegal immigrant we came from mongolia" their ministry of Interior said this think about it a we have a goverment who blames and call his own people "barbarian mongols"

 

[Lool]

You know that PKK was finished during 2000s right? Under the soldiers you are blaming ah lets not forget how your precious AKP brought feto into the army and PKK cameback you have zero to no knowledge of history of PKK conflict just go believe your fairytales person who isn't from azerbaijan

You cant be more wrong
In the late 1990s and early 2000s before Erdogan came, They werent finished
They just temporarily escaped to their bases in Iraq and Syria 500 m away from the border

Why on earth due you think that the govt and TSK entered Syria and Iraq in 2016? It is because they learned from before that even if you kicked them from Turkey, they will just be 100 m away from the Turkish border in Iraq and Syria within caves bidding their time until they resurface again.

Why on earth due you think the US amd Russia are so desperate to stop Turkey's advances in Syria? It is because they know the consequences of Turkish advances and creating the 30km zone

 

[Baklava Consumer]

This is Fatih Erdoğan, cousin of Recep Tayyip Erdoğan. Here he is in a yellow Lamborghini in the USA. These people are the real patriots apparently, anyone who stands against them is either a terrorist supporter or a slave to the West. Open your eyes, they are laughing all the way to the bank.