Provisional acceptance of the first İstif class ship will be made on 29 May.
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I wonder if it will have the final version of the VLS it will serve with until a modernization and if it will be filled with siper and hisar missiles alreadyProvisional acceptance of the first İstif class ship will be made on 29 May.
Provisional acceptance of the first İstif class ship will be made on 29 May.
Yes VLS is installed and will be tested.Will the test include using the VLS in a live fire test ?
Could it be, that they tested the No Escape Zone Range of the SIPER missile?
Yeah, but testing NEZ against slow, subsonic, low altitude drone is not very ideal, is it?
It won't simulate a 4/5 gen fighter jet in terms of performance characteristics.
Only for now, i think whole air defense systems will be re-tested with Super Simsek.Yeah, but testing NEZ against slow, subsonic, low altitude drone is not very ideal, is it?
It won't simulate a 4/5 gen fighter jet in terms of performance characteristics.
"Even the Russians"? Don't use Russia as an example metric on how to design air defences, their jets' radars and EW suites are inferior and have zero stealth characteristics. The SU-57 has a similar RCS to that of a Super Hornet. Modern SAM systems are vulnerable to stealth platforms. Someone estimated the F-35 detection range on SIPER radar as around 80 kms, it can easily conduct its missions and even deep strike into territory outside double that range. SIPER, HISAR, S-400 and pretty much all SAM systems are non-strategic assets in a conventional conflict in the region where actually competent adversaries are. Only KAAN, which I still have my doubts it will be competent enough for the tall task, can challenge the skies.As much as things like Kaan and Kizelelma are more exciting, these air defence systems in many ways are more important and critical to the defence of the nation. In Ukraine we see that if you have enough systems that even the Russians cannot enter your airspace.
"Even the Russians"? Don't use Russia as an example metric on how to design air defences, their jets' radars and EW suites are inferior and have zero stealth characteristics. The SU-57 has a similar RCS to that of a Super Hornet. Modern SAM systems are vulnerable to stealth platforms. Someone estimated the F-35 detection range on SIPER radar as around 80 kms, it can easily conduct its missions and even deep strike into territory outside double that range. SIPER, HISAR, S-400 and pretty much all SAM systems are non-strategic assets in a conventional conflict in the region where actually competent adversaries are. Only KAAN, which I still have my doubts it will be competent enough for the tall task, can challenge the skies.
Soviet Russia IS the one who invented surface-to-air defences. They are the ones who perfected it and subsequently used it to tear the US a new one in Vietnam.Don't use Russia as an example metric on how to design air defences
Would be nice if you shared the relevant study.Someone estimated the F-35 detection range on SIPER radar as around 80 kms,
Would be nice if you shared the relevant study.
Modern SAM systems are vulnerable to stealth platforms.
Someone estimated the F-35 detection range on SIPER radar as around 80 kms, it can easily conduct its missions and even deep strike into territory outside double that range.
SIPER, HISAR, S-400 and pretty much all SAM systems are non-strategic assets in a conventional conflict in the region where actually competent adversaries are. Only KAAN, which I still have my doubts it will be competent enough for the tall task, can challenge the skies.
They did, and now it's history. It's 2023 right now, Russian doctrine is outdated and would crumble in a conflict against any of the modern NATO militaries. Current Russian SAM networks, all of them, could easily be detected and struck or jammed by the F-35, because it has an RCS of below 0.0001m^2 and by the time they'd see a tiny speck on their screen, let alone guide any munitions with FCR, a missile would be heading their way. US officials said it performed beyond the announced specifications. You have any idea how powerful that plane is?Soviet Russia IS the one who invented surface-to-air defences. They are the ones who perfected it and subsequently used it to tear the US a new one in Vietnam.
Yes, they are currently lagging behind in that field, but that's not because they lack the expertise to make good SAM systems. They're lacking in other stuff.
The JSF will pick up a SAM transmitter and will be able to relay it's location or engage way before the SAM radar sees a dust particle on its screen..In some sense everything is vulnerable, we have to be more specific in this regard.
F-35 is 100x-500x less observable than those jets, and can get closer to the said systems to deploy arms or jam them. I believe the SAM detection range would be around 60-70km in a realistic scenario. Even if they detect it, the interceptor FCR can't guide the missile to a target with such a low radar signature. It can sneak up all the way to our air space. Every ground asset shows up bright as day with their location on the opposing jets screen, while all the AWACS and SAM systems see is a tiny speck. Only a similar VLO jet would be able to engage it.True, but we could pretty much say same thing about modern 4.5 gen fighters like Typhoon, Rafale F-15/16/18 equipped with stand-off cruise missiles. (Like JASSM, scalp, Taurus, JSM or SOM)
What is special about F-35 is that, its LO allows it use cheap stand-in weapons in higher quantities (in a potential SEAD/DEAD missions) like Glide bombs. For example, each F-35 can carry 8x SDB while carrying 2x AMRAAM.
So, in theory 8x F-35 carrying 64 SDB could overwhelm a SIPER battery on its own.
But again, slow glide bombs are very easy to shoot down with cost effective C-RAM. For example, a SIPER battery could be augmented with a Korkut battery. Which can comfortably deal with glide bombs once within range. And expensive SIPER interceptors can be reserved against high value targets like Fighter jets, cruise/anti radiation missiles, and of course, SRBMs. That is why it is very important to have a layered, comprehensive air defence solution rather then expensive stand-alone batteries.
The only use for them would be against the ballistic missiles and the older aircraft.I couldn’t disagree more. Layered air defence systems are as strategic as it gets. In today’s warfare, that is what literally keeps an Air Force physically in the fight.
KAAN wouldn’t have any chance to begin with if it was taken out on the ground with sophisticated cruise/ballistic missile strikes by 'competent adversaries'.
The JSF will pick up a SAM transmitter and will be able to relay it's location or engage way before the SAM radar sees a dust particle on its screen..
F-35 is 100x-500x less observable than those jets, and can get closer to the said systems to deploy arms or jam them. I believe the SAM detection range would be around 60-70km in a realistic scenario. Even if they detect it, the interceptor FCR can't guide the missile to a target with such a low radar signature. It can sneak up all the way to our air space. Every ground asset shows up bright as day with their location on the opposing jets screen, while all the AWACS and SAM systems see is a tiny speck. Only a similar VLO jet would be able to engage it.
The only use for them would be against the ballistic missiles and the older aircraft.
What about stealth cruise missiles?1. Any stand-off cruise/anti radiation missile now matter how advanced it is (launched by F-35) would be picked up by the sensors as soon as they arrives on the horizon. Thus, can be comfortably shot down with agile and sophisticated interceptors.
2. Any Salvo of stand-in weapons launced by F-35s (like glide bombs) could be easily shot down with cost effective C-RAM (augmenting the SIPER battery) as I mentioned before.
What about stealth cruise missiles?
İ am asking, apart from Siper, how could current western SAM systems deal with modern stealth cruise missiles?