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davidson was a complete failure which makes him perfect for politics. Hand picked by erdogan to be a prime minister of Turkiye, not quite as bad as making his weak son in law head of the central bank.
 

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Relentless fight against terrorism at home and abroad, the continuation of trustee appointments... Özdağ is a very clever man. Kılıçdaroğlu's acceptance and guarantee of these items will destroy the possibility of HDP-centred politics in the country.

On the other hand, Özdağ's stance has completely overshadowed the CHP election campaign after 14 May. Everyone is locked on this deal. In other words, the sincerity of the discourses and tone after 14 May will be determined by the decision postponed until tomorrow.
 

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If Osman Pamukoğlu is going to take the defense ministry, then Kılışdaroğlu should say goodbye to HDP votes. The graph shows that the cities in which the CHP received the highest votes are the ones with the highest HDP voter base.
Not necessarily, they might consider it the lesser of two "evils". The best way to crush HDP is to continuously put them in scenarios where they are seemingly offered multiple choices which are all negatives for them.
 

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Ahmet Davutoğlu and Ali Babacan raised objections to the protocol offered by Ümit Özdağ. Ahmet Davutoğlu rejects sending back the temporary asylum seekers while Ali Babacan rejects the guarantees about the first 4 articles and article 66 of the constitution and the harsh stance against religious sects/tarikats. Ümit Özdağ also wants no steps to be taken to relieve trustees from the mayorship of southeastern cities and to release Selahaddin Demirtaş. Ümit Özdağ wants all six Nation Alliance parties to sign the written protocol.
 

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Erdoğan spoke about Sinan Oğan's support for him in the television programme he attended.

"Mr Sinan knows very well our clear stance on the fight against terrorism, relations with the Turkic world and the survival of our homeland. We do not have the slightest compromise on these issues. There has not been and cannot be. I believe that this union of forces will benefit our nation and our country."

"On the issue of refugees, asylum seekers, etc., we are currently 450 thousand refugees have returned to their homes again, starting from briquette houses in the North of Syria. However, we now have a plan for 1 million more refugees to return there. Of course, this will be realised in time. As he also stated, we will endeavour to ensure the return there in an environment of trust. "

"We have been supporting the safe return of refugees from the beginning. So far, 560 thousand refugees have settled to the regions cleared of terrorism. Another step in this regard is being discussed at the summit including the Syrian regime. We are receiving very positive signals about this. We are also carrying out processes for the return of 1 million refugees to their own lands in the first stage in the houses to be established with the support of brotherly countries."

"One of the most important issues we agreed on is the constitutional amendment. We particularly agreed on the first four unchangeable articles of the Constitution concerning Turkishness and Article 66."

"Another issue is the Organisation of Turkic States and in this regard, we had meetings with Turkic States, especially with our brother Ilham Aliyev, and these are examples of our policy with the Turkic world." Turkic Union activities will continue to increase under the leadership of the Organisation of Turkic States.

"We have an AFAD, but it is not a ministry. There is a situation such as increasing it to the size of a ministry. These are issues that can be considered. These can always be emphasised as a principle. This may come to the agenda not as an AFAD but as a ministry."

"The head terrorist has been convicted under Article 125 of the Turkish Penal Code. They are not even aware of this. There was no attempt to release the terrorist head during our period. This is a lie. They are trying to deceive the people. They should ask our attitude towards terrorist organisations to the terrorists we destroyed in their lairs. We have developed a new concept in the fight against terrorism. We neutralise terrorists outside our borders as well as inside our borders. We have neutralised the important names of the terrorist organisation in their lairs. If there had been a situation such as opening the way for the head of the terrorist organisation, we could have taken very different steps in these 15 years. What does it mean that we landed on their heads in Cudi and Gabar? It is all obvious. Isn't it Mr. Kemal who stands shoulder to shoulder with terrorist organisations? Isn't it Kılıçdaroğlu who is currently negotiating with the extensions of the terrorist organisation in the parliament? Right now, he has asked for their support and they are giving their support to Kılıçdaroğlu. "

"I can say that especially Mr Sinan's statement that he will support us is a potential recruitment of power. This potential recruitment will lead to a much different development regarding 28 May. Sinan Bey's discourse is dominated by the national discourse. The combination of these discourses with our discourses will lead to a very different result."

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It is understood that Sinan Oğan has received assurances on all but one of the items under the headings of demands and principles. That one item is a return to the traditional model in economic policy.

Now the eyes are on Ümit Özdağ. If he is able to get KK to accept his demands, Turkish nationalists will have achieved maximum success in the first stage of their great responsibility for the country.
True. It seems like Erdo agreed to everything on the table but economic policy. IMHO this is huge. If Özdağ can make the other side agree on the same terms we can safely say that Turkish nationalists won regardless of who wins. This will be an incredible and very rare success for nationalists not only the winning party but the losing party will also agree to the terms of nationalists and HDP politics will go to the rubbish bin. HDP will effectively be marginalized.
 

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Only problem with Ogan's deal that he doesn't have any leverage to enforce them. What can he do if after the elections Erdogan says "No, I am not gonna do any of them"?
 

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Only problem with Ogan's deal that he doesn't have any leverage to enforce them. What can he do if after the elections Erdogan says "No, I am not gonna do any of them"?

That's exactly what's going to happen.

In my opinion the protocol Özdağ is expecting the all six parties of the opposition to sign is unrealistic and was more of a populist gesture than anything. Erdoğan did not have to sign anything. This is being done for Zafer party to save face for when they align with Erdoğan alongside Sinan. Or they will stay neutral. But their goal is to keep Erdogan in power and elevate themselves with Erdoğan.
 

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BTW Democrat Party (DP) president Gültekin Uysal also raised concerns about Ümit Özdağ being too Kemalist for his taste.


Only problem with Ogan's deal that he doesn't have any leverage to enforce them. What can he do if after the elections Erdogan says "No, I am not gonna do any of them"?
Yes, that is a legit concern but Erdogan is a cunning politician he sees the shifting political inclination of voters. Old voters that are staunch Erdogan supporters are being replaced with young voters that have nationalist tendencies. Erdogan is losing by a good margin in nearly all of the big cities even against a weak opponent like Kılıçdaroğlu. The political trend is not in favor of Erdogan. Religious conservatism is on the decline and being replaced with nationalism.
 

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BTW Democrat Party (DP) president Gültekin Uysal also raised concerns about Ümit Özdağ being too Kemalist for his taste.



Yes, that is a legit concern but Erdogan is a cunning politician he sees the shifting political inclination of voters. Old voters that are staunch Erdogan supporters are being replaced with young voters that have nationalist tendencies. Erdogan is losing by a good margin in nearly all of the big cities even against a weak opponent like Kılıçdaroğlu. The political trend is not in favor of Erdogan. Religious conservatism is on the decline and being replaced with nationalism.
Erdogan will run for another 5 years but he'll definitely be in passive politics afterwards. Until then I am sure he is already looking for a replacement that will lead his party and as a potential new leader. I hope we have a young and determined leader after his leave.
 

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Only problem with Ogan's deal that he doesn't have any leverage to enforce them. What can he do if after the elections Erdogan says "No, I am not gonna do any of them"?
Nothing, erdo wont lety anyone meddle in his business, not even constitutional judges could, who is ogan to do so?
He will be thrown away like used tussue in two weeks.
 

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There is local elections coming up that need to be considered.
 

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Lawyer Elif Doğan Türkmen, a CHP MP for 25. and 26. terms, shared that they carried out election work on behalf of the Nation Alliance in the HDP provincial building upon the assignment of the CHP Headquarters.

The CHP HDPKK alliance was caught in the act.
 

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Sinan Ogan in criticizing the opposition - "How are you going to remove our Syrian brothers, are you going to use Catapults?"

He completed his mission, damaged chances of opposition winning. Just Özdağ left. Every few years the education system has grown another generation of empty, shallow people who only know bland "nationalism" without thought or critical thinking. So easy to manipulate.
 
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Sinan Ogan in criticizing the opposition - "How are you going to remove our Syrian brothers, are you going to use Catapults?"

He completed his mission, damaged chances of opposition winning. Just Özdağ left. Every few years the education system has grown another generation of empty, shallow people who only know bland "nationalism" without thought or critical thinking. So easy to manipulate.
Funny how quick they became "brothers".
 
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