TR Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Windchime]

(T Link) This one totally flew under the radar. Although nothing is known yet, it's a huge undertaking and will become the backbone of our networked warfare concept on land, air and sea. Biggest news of IDEF 23 for me so far.

I think T Link is a new national waveform compliant with the KEMENT terminal. Current KEMENT capabilities are focused on platform-munition weapons data link, but it was often stressed that the new terminal developed by Meketsan would have its ability further expanded in the future as the SDR terminal could be integrated with other waveforms. MilSOFT is also known to be developing next-generation multi-datalink processor as well, this time probably for Turkish national waveforms. Also to my understanding KEMENT waveform itself is able to function as TDL.

I wonder what this means for the Link-M of MilSOFT though. MilSOFT was primarily pitching Link-M to the Turkish Navy but I'm quite sure that they were also quite keen on seeing it deployed on aerial platforms as well. Maybe the differences between the two waveforms and underlying HWs like terminals are so different that they are suited for different roles? The publicly published foto of the Link-M terminal demonstration (one with "Hello historical moment" message) was using Link-22 waveform at the time, afterall. Or maybe it is that T Link is designed on the basis of MilSOFT waveforms. They were responsible for the software in KEMENT project as well.

Thoughts? @Yasar @Anmdt @moz68k @Rodeo

 

[dBSPL]

Konya AJÜ

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1688235554742112256

 

[boredaf]

Konya AJÜ

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1688235554742112256

Really wish we could go for EF T4 instead of F-16V.

 

[Heartbang]

Konya AJÜ

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1688235554742112256

Shouldn't our bases be censored in those map sites?
Greece's bases are.

 

[Sanchez]

Shouldn't our bases be censored in those map sites?

They used to be.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Really wish we could go for EF T4 instead of F-16V.

Our hearts say that; and from tech point of view, EF2000 , especially the tranche 4 with the hybrid Aesa radar, is the far better plane.

Qatar paid 6 billion dollars for 24 planes. That is 250 million dollar a piece. Can we really afford that?

The only way we can buy those planes is to sign a comprehensive 80-120 plane order with partial local production of the plane and the licence production of the engines in Turkey. That will bring the plane prices in line with what the consortium is paying; making it somehow more affordable. But that will take so much funds away from more important projects like the TFX that it wouldn’t be feasible. Also the time it would take for first few squadrons to be with the airforce is most likely going to be unworkable.

Had we gone through with the EF2000 offer the consortium put on the table a couple of decades ago instead of F35, then we would have been operating those planes in multiple squadrons by now.

Unless we find huge hydrocarbon deposits in the next few months, our only option is to get the first block 4++ generation TFX squadrons flying before 2028 and put all our money and energy in to that project and in to the Ozgur modernisation with Murad Aesa radar.
Murad being the operative word there. As without Murad the whole Ozgur project is like a Lion without teeth.
Get a move on Aselsan! Enough of all these delays!

 

[I_Love_F16]

Get a move on Aselsan! Enough of all these delays!

For real, when we ask about the MURAD integration into the F-16’s, we always hear ‘’soon’’ or ‘’very soon’’ since a year at least. Enough already.

 

[uçuyorum]

For real, when we ask about the MURAD integration into the F-16’s, we always hear ‘’soon’’ or ‘’very soon’’ since a year at least. Enough already.

From latest info seems like couple more years at least until we see it in service

 

[Radko]

From latest info seems like couple more years at least until we see it in service

Given the contract it should be by 2025

 

[Sanchez]

Given the contract it should be by 2025

When did a contract deadline ever stop us, truly? It'll be ready when it's ready. Which is probably between 2025 and 2029. Looks like they are genuinely, actively considering buying a testbed aircraft. Maybe if they allocate the budget in the next 18 months, we will see some results 18 months after that./SARCASM

 

[Quasar]

When did a contract deadline ever stop us, truly? It'll be ready when it's ready. Which is probably between 2025 and 2029. Looks like they are genuinely, actively considering buying a testbed aircraft. Maybe if they allocate the budget in the next 18 months, we will see some results 18 months after that./SARCASM

getting a bombardier as a testbed aircraft for MURAD?

 

[Sanchez]

getting a bombardier as a testbed aircraft for MURAD?

Yes, I was alluding to Sünnetçi's statements on Kaner's last program. Not the platform I had in mind, but still about 3 times better than using an F-16 or Akıncı.

 

[Quasar]

just for the sake of giving an example:

for a testbed aircraft South Korea was working with a South African company for a while if I remember it correctly

for their AESA they used a B-737 aircraft as a tesbed aircraft from 2022 to early 2023

now they are planing to test it on KF 21 till 2026

 

[uçuyorum]

Yes, I was alluding to Sünnetçi's statements on Kaner's last program. Not the platform I had in mind, but still about 3 times better than using an F-16 or Akıncı.

I mean as said in that program we have know how from HAVASOJ so it makes sense. The problem is energy output. Global 6000 has likely more than enough for Murad but it's not going to cut it for BURFIS I imagine. Also remember the program about HAVASOJ, it was said that whole HAVASOJ has about same EW power output as F18 Growler. Makes sense considering both have 2x 60 kilonewton engines. The E7 wedgetail is on 2x 120 kn thrust version of Boeing 737 for a reason.

 

[Sanchez]

I mean as said in that program we have know how from HAVASOJ so it makes sense. The problem is energy output. Global 6000 has likely more than enough for Murad but it's not going to cut it for BURFIS I imagine. Also remember the program about HAVASOJ, it was said that whole HAVASOJ has about same EW power output as F18 Growler. Makes sense considering both have 2x 60 kilonewton engines. The E7 wedgetail is on 2x 120 kn thrust version of Boeing 737 for a reason.

Yup, If i know this country, we would be searching for a second, bigger testbed few years later. Also not sure about the part us knowing the ins and outs of the platform with the experience we got from HavaSoj will cut it for a testbed, where we will need to modify the nose section, possibly put in a new radom. Which will probably require us to certify it for flight worthiness because at least 2 to 6 very experienced people will be aboard, and I doubt any company in Turkey can do that. Someone Canadian or South African perhaps.

Will be interesting nonetheless. As usual, I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Merzifonlu]

Excuse my ignorance, but shouldn't this testbed aircraft be ready already?

 

[TheInsider]

Both Baykar and TAI got their MURAD sample. Two companies will do tests on the MURAD radar. A test plane is necessary, but it is impossible to test supersonic conditions and aggressive maneuvers with a business jet, so F-16 is needed regardless.

 

[dBSPL]

With the participation of our combat and support aircraft taking off from various bases of our Air Force Command, a training flight was carried out in the international airspace of the Mediterranean Sea, south of the island of Cyprus.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1690661480381775872

 

[boredaf]

Apparently, an F-4's external fuel tank just fell from the sky in Ankara. I hope we can retire them before something even worse happens.

Son dakika haberi: Ankara'da F-4 uçağının yakıt tankı düştü | Son dakika haberleri

SON DAKİKA HABERİ! Başkent'te F-4 savaş uçağının yakıt tankı bir otoparktaki araçların üzerine düştü

www.haberturk.com

In the statement made by the Ministry of National Defence, "A part of the F-4 Fighter Jet belonging to the Turkish Air Force fell into an open car park belonging to TPAO for an unknown reason during its flight in the skies over Ankara. The aircraft landed safely in Eskişehir square. There is no loss of life and no injuries in the incident. Detailed technical investigation on the subject is ongoing."

 

[Ryder]

Fck me it landed on some cars!!!

My dad is watching the news amk.

Somebody could have got crushed to death.!!