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Turkish Aerospace, Aselsan ink $2B in deals to upgrade F-16 jets​



Turkish Aerospace Industries has signed two contracts worth nearly $2 billion with the country’s largest defense company to upgrade F-16 fighter jets.

The deals announced by Aselsan, a military electronics specialist, were for $1.2 billion and 20.7 billion liras (U.S. $789.2 million).

The Biden administration has backed Turkey’s desire to buy 40 new F-16s as well as modernization kits from the U.S. It’s a move some in Congress, most notably Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Menendez, D-N.J, have opposed over Turkey blocking NATO membership for Sweden, its human rights record, its relations with Greece and other concerns.

Neither TAI nor Aselsan revealed details of the contracts, inked July 13. But a government procurement official and sources with the businesses told Defense News that the contracts are related to a program to upgrade Turkey’s aging F-16s, starting with the Block 30 level.

The upgrade program will include a new mission computer, an active electronically scanned array radar and new avionic suites for about 150 Turkish F-16 aircraft. The program will also include new cockpit color displays, a new indigenous identification friend or foe system, a new system interface unit, a hydraulic fuel gauge, new radar warning receivers, and an inertial navigation system.

The backbone of the upgrade program is a subsystem dubbed Ozgur (”free” in English) that aims to develop and produce Turkey’s first AESA radar, which Aselsan officials hope will extend the flight time for some of the country’s F-16 aircraft by half, to 12,000 hours.

Per upgrade plans, the AESA radar will first be retrofitted onto the Akinci, a drone built by TAI; then on a batch of 36 F-16 Block 30 aircraft; and, in the longer term, the TF-X, Turkey’s first indigenous fighter jet in the making. Block 30 is the only F-16 model whose source codes are available to Turkey.

“This deal has two implications: One, it is part of Turkish efforts to balance Greece’s increasing air superiority over the Aegean Sea, especially by buying new French-made Rafales; and two, once [the upgrade is successful and the aircraft is] combat proven, it may pave the way for Aselsan and TAI to penetrate into the world’s large F-16 modernization market,” said Ozgur Eksi, who runs the media outlet TurDef.

In 2019, Turkey requested the Link 16 tactical data link, among other technology, for 199 F-16 jets. Then, acording to January 2023 media reports, the Biden administration “informally notified Congress of its intent to sell 40 new F-16s in the Block 70/72 Viper configuration (F-16Vs) and Viper upgrade packages for 79 existing fighters, along with 900 air-to-air missiles and 800 bombs, at an estimated total value of $20 billion,” a document from the Congressional Research Service noted.

And in April, the U.S. State Department publicly approved the sale of equipment and services to Turkey in support of upgrading the European nation’s F-16 fleet in a potential deal worth an estimated $259 million. The Congressional Research Service wrote this possible sale appears to include the Link 16.

The Turkish Air Force declined to comment for this story, citing national security.

Aselsan is the biggest defense company in Turkey, and the 49th largest in the world based on defense revenue, according to the Defense News Top 100 list.

The company reported its total sales in 2022 reached 35.3 billion liras, and that its pretax depreciation and interest profit was 9.5 billion liras, a 77% rise from the year prior. Its net profit in 2022 rose by 70% to 11.9 billion liras.

Aselsan also reported that, during fiscal 2022, it successfully “localized/nationalized” 160 systems, meaning the business indigenously produced technology that the country was previously importing. Overall, the company boasts to have done so for a total of 670 systems.

For its part, Turkish Aerospace Industries ranked 67th on the Top 100 list.

After his re-election on May 28, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan shuffled the government’s procurement hierarchy. Ismail Demir, who led the Presidency of Defence Industries, or SSB, was appointed board chairman of government-controlled steel and iron producer Kardemir. Haluk Gorgun, Aselsan’s CEO, replaced Demir.

A June 22 statement from the company said Aselsan’s new CEO is Ahmet Akyol, formerly the firm’s deputy general manager. He continues to serve as a board member at Aselsan.

Akyol is a computer engineer who underwent training at the U.S. college Stanford University and the U.K. school Cranfield University.

Akyol has a background in industry and government, having worked at military software provider Havelsan and simulation specialist Quantum3D, and with the Ministry of Industry and Technology as well as the Ministry of Defense, plus the state scientific research agency Tubitak. He also previously served as the head of electronic warfare and radar systems at the SSB (then known as SSM).
 

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Turkish Aerospace, Aselsan ink $2B in deals to upgrade F-16 jets​



Turkish Aerospace Industries has signed two contracts worth nearly $2 billion with the country’s largest defense company to upgrade F-16 fighter jets.

The deals announced by Aselsan, a military electronics specialist, were for $1.2 billion and 20.7 billion liras (U.S. $789.2 million).

The Biden administration has backed Turkey’s desire to buy 40 new F-16s as well as modernization kits from the U.S. It’s a move some in Congress, most notably Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Menendez, D-N.J, have opposed over Turkey blocking NATO membership for Sweden, its human rights record, its relations with Greece and other concerns.

Neither TAI nor Aselsan revealed details of the contracts, inked July 13. But a government procurement official and sources with the businesses told Defense News that the contracts are related to a program to upgrade Turkey’s aging F-16s, starting with the Block 30 level.

The upgrade program will include a new mission computer, an active electronically scanned array radar and new avionic suites for about 150 Turkish F-16 aircraft. The program will also include new cockpit color displays, a new indigenous identification friend or foe system, a new system interface unit, a hydraulic fuel gauge, new radar warning receivers, and an inertial navigation system.

The backbone of the upgrade program is a subsystem dubbed Ozgur (”free” in English) that aims to develop and produce Turkey’s first AESA radar, which Aselsan officials hope will extend the flight time for some of the country’s F-16 aircraft by half, to 12,000 hours.

Per upgrade plans, the AESA radar will first be retrofitted onto the Akinci, a drone built by TAI; then on a batch of 36 F-16 Block 30 aircraft; and, in the longer term, the TF-X, Turkey’s first indigenous fighter jet in the making. Block 30 is the only F-16 model whose source codes are available to Turkey.

“This deal has two implications: One, it is part of Turkish efforts to balance Greece’s increasing air superiority over the Aegean Sea, especially by buying new French-made Rafales; and two, once [the upgrade is successful and the aircraft is] combat proven, it may pave the way for Aselsan and TAI to penetrate into the world’s large F-16 modernization market,” said Ozgur Eksi, who runs the media outlet TurDef.

In 2019, Turkey requested the Link 16 tactical data link, among other technology, for 199 F-16 jets. Then, acording to January 2023 media reports, the Biden administration “informally notified Congress of its intent to sell 40 new F-16s in the Block 70/72 Viper configuration (F-16Vs) and Viper upgrade packages for 79 existing fighters, along with 900 air-to-air missiles and 800 bombs, at an estimated total value of $20 billion,” a document from the Congressional Research Service noted.

And in April, the U.S. State Department publicly approved the sale of equipment and services to Turkey in support of upgrading the European nation’s F-16 fleet in a potential deal worth an estimated $259 million. The Congressional Research Service wrote this possible sale appears to include the Link 16.

The Turkish Air Force declined to comment for this story, citing national security.

Aselsan is the biggest defense company in Turkey, and the 49th largest in the world based on defense revenue, according to the Defense News Top 100 list.

The company reported its total sales in 2022 reached 35.3 billion liras, and that its pretax depreciation and interest profit was 9.5 billion liras, a 77% rise from the year prior. Its net profit in 2022 rose by 70% to 11.9 billion liras.

Aselsan also reported that, during fiscal 2022, it successfully “localized/nationalized” 160 systems, meaning the business indigenously produced technology that the country was previously importing. Overall, the company boasts to have done so for a total of 670 systems.

For its part, Turkish Aerospace Industries ranked 67th on the Top 100 list.

After his re-election on May 28, President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan shuffled the government’s procurement hierarchy. Ismail Demir, who led the Presidency of Defence Industries, or SSB, was appointed board chairman of government-controlled steel and iron producer Kardemir. Haluk Gorgun, Aselsan’s CEO, replaced Demir.

A June 22 statement from the company said Aselsan’s new CEO is Ahmet Akyol, formerly the firm’s deputy general manager. He continues to serve as a board member at Aselsan.

Akyol is a computer engineer who underwent training at the U.S. college Stanford University and the U.K. school Cranfield University.

Akyol has a background in industry and government, having worked at military software provider Havelsan and simulation specialist Quantum3D, and with the Ministry of Industry and Technology as well as the Ministry of Defense, plus the state scientific research agency Tubitak. He also previously served as the head of electronic warfare and radar systems at the SSB (then known as SSM).


if we remove usa bla bla writings and read between lines, then it is mean that Aselsan gave the notification to Turkiye government that they are ready with parts (testing and development is complete) for mass retrofit of Turkiye f16.
It means that Turkiye government signed contract giving green light for "Ozgur" project on F16 on mass
 

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ÖZGÜR-2 Project was signed for F-16 Block 30, 40 and 50s.

With the projects initiated by the SSB, it is aimed to apply both structural improvement and ÖZGÜR modernisation to all F-16 Block-30 aircraft in the inventory, in addition to increasing the scope of structural and avionic modernisations in F-16 Block-30/40/50 aircraft.

Within the scope of the F-16 Block-30 ÖZGÜR-2 Project; External Load Certification of ammunition, miniature bombs and ASELPOD, integration of AESA Nose Radar to the Özgür Aircraft, integration of T Link, IFF BSC, RNE and 9681 V/UHF airborne radio equipment and Bozdoğan and HGK-82 ammunition to the F-16 Block-30 ÖZGÜR Aircraft to be modernised under the FEWS and Gökdoğan Integration Project Contract, and serial application of the final product is aimed.

Within the scope of the F-16 BLOK-40/50 ÖZGÜR-2 Project; The project aims to integrate ÖZGÜR Suite and AESA radar, FEWS, T Link, IFF BSC, RNE, ASELPOD, 9681 V/UHF airborne radio, SOM, HGK, KGK, LGK, Gökdoğan and Bozdoğan into F-16 Block 40/50 prototype aircraft, and to carry out structural improvement engineering activities on F-16 Block 40/50 prototype aircraft, and to mass implement the final product.

Deliveries within the scope of the F-16 Block-30 ÖZGÜR-2 Project are planned to be completed between 2025-2027, and deliveries within the scope of the F-16 BLOCK-40/50 ÖZGÜR-2 Project are planned to be completed between 2028-2030.

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Big news! I have so many questions.
 

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With this there is no reason for the procurement from the US. Either move the funds for it to procure Eurofighter T4s if possible or invest the money elsewhere to close gaps.

Let’s see if this will speed something up in the other side of the pond.
 

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This showing of capability could create a huge export opportunity. Gulf countries are at the top of the list.

On the other hand, I am definitely in favor of increasing the number of HIK (AEWC) aircrafts on Air force.
Definetly, this modernization is the final step before a domestic AEWC Havelsan's workshare in current E-7T was already impressive it seems Aselsan is catching up
 
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Defenetly, this modernization is the final step befor a domestic AEWC Havelsan's workshare in current E-7T was already impressive it seems Aselsan is catching up
We are reaching a good point in Early Warning and Control Systems. Havelsan in particular has reached a very advanced level in Tactical and Operative level command and control systems. Havelsan 'Kartal' National Warning and Command Control Software will be a command and control system that will meet ACCS requirements on a national scale. The contract for this project was signed in 2021. On the other hand, Aselsan has reached a very good point in the scaling of AESA radars. There are also number of projects, on domestic infrastructure on TDL as well as other areas. Dozens of similar subfields can be listed here. These systems are not just domestic minimum equivalents, but globally competitive solutions, and we can even extend the examples to NATO's Intelligence Functional Services system tenders which Turkish companies playing great roles.

I think there is not much left on the software side. More precisely, I have the idea that a completely indigenous AEW-C aircraft is now within our technical capabilities on the software side, and this project(modernising HİK-AEWC aircrafts) in question confirms this. On the technical side, I think the most tangible problem is that we do not have an aircraft manufacturer for these type needs. There is no other country with such a well-developed aviation ecosystem where capital owners are so hesitant to invest on assemble the final aircraft in TR.
 

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This one totally flew under the radar. Although nothing is known yet, it's a huge undertaking and will become the backbone of our networked warfare concept on land, air and sea. Biggest news of IDEF 23 for me so far.

After all that digitalization to the Russian jets and other statements from authorities it seems

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🐺 We'll start building Turkic States' and some latin + African countries' air force at the end.
 

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About domestic AEWC aircrafts from technical aspect, I do not think that there is any deficiency in terms of radar and software tech. We will have some technical issues to solve in order to integrate a GAN AESA radar into an aircraft fuselage without disturbing the aerodynamic caracteristics of airliner. For this issues, Currently ongoing Hava-SOJ project will serve as a test-bed. Then, The 60-80 seat passenger aircraft project declared by Mr Kotil will most likely bear fruit in the 2030s. Studying the feasibility of an aircraft of this class/seat actually points to a very clever strategy for future.
When the examples in the world are examined, SAAB Erieye AEWC aircraft Saab2000 was developed on a 60seat passenger aircraft. Turboprop ATR-72-600 MPA aircraft has a volume of 70/78 seats. Development of a 60-80 seat passenger aircraft will automatically bring forward domestic AEWC and MPA projects in early 2030s and feasibility studies of domestic airliner program will enforce us to achieve these goals.
 

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About domestic AEWC aircrafts from technical aspect, I do not think that there is any deficiency in terms of radar and software tech. We will have some technical issues to solve in order to integrate a GAN AESA radar into an aircraft fuselage without disturbing the aerodynamic caracteristics of airliner. For this issues, Currently ongoing Hava-SOJ project will serve as a test-bed. Then, The 60-80 seat passenger aircraft project declared by Mr Kotil will most likely bear fruit in the 2030s. Studying the feasibility of an aircraft of this class/seat actually points to a very clever strategy for future.
When the examples in the world are examined, SAAB Erieye AEWC aircraft Saab2000 was developed on a 60seat passenger aircraft. Turboprop ATR-72-600 MPA aircraft has a volume of 70/78 seats. Development of a 60-80 seat passenger aircraft will automatically bring forward domestic AEWC and MPA projects in early 2030s and feasibility studies of domestic airliner program will enforce us to achieve these goals.
as you stated A local 60 seat passenger aircraft may simply opens the door for;

-domestic AEWC
-domestic Maritime patrol and reconnaissance aircraft
-domestic mid size tanker
 

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"Offer from Airbus: Türkiye could become the first customer for the A330 Neo Tanker."

Taking into account what was said by the President it looks like there is a good possibility we will see a order for A330 Neo MRTT + A400M Transport (Taking over the cancelled order from Spain on a discount maybe?) sooner than later. The current MRTT is based on the A330-200.
 

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"Offer from Airbus: Türkiye could become the first customer for the A330 Neo Tanker."

Taking into account what was said by the President it looks like there is a good possibility we will see a order for A330 Neo MRTT + A400M Transport (Taking over the cancelled order from Spain on a discount maybe?) sooner than later. The current MRTT is based on the A330-200.
As long as its not KC-46 Pegasus, I'm game. The AROS system on those planes is defective AF.
 

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