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What i find surprising is how the americans/zionists don't allow their controlled opposition to at least kill a few peasants in their attacks. The Isrealis on October 7th under their operation Hannibal gunned downed nearly the entirety of the festival goers. I don't get why they wouldn't let the iranians get a few kills to at least make the show look more legit. Because hundred of missiles, drones, ballistics and not one isreali died? That's absolute madness.
 

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What i find surprising is how the americans/zionists don't allow their controlled opposition to at least kill a few peasants in their attacks. The Isrealis on October 7th under their operation Hannibal gunned downed nearly the entirety of the festival goers. I don't get why they wouldn't let the iranians get a few kills to at least make the show look more legit. Because hundred of missiles, drones, ballistics and not one isreali died? That's absolute madness.
Well that's an easy question to answer. Because they are racists. They can't bear the burden of seeing "one of their lads" kick the bucket.
 
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Well that's an easy question to answer. Because they are racists. They can't bear the burden of seeing "one of their lads" kick the bucket.

Indeed.

I always founded it very embarassing when Hamas/Hezbollah/Fatah exchange 800 of their own prisoners for 4 Israeli soldiers and Israel just agrees with it, like if a jewish life is far more worth than that of a muslim.

As a resistance movement I would never accept this, but the Palestinian/Arab resistance just made it a sport by kidnapping 1 Israeli in the hope to exchange him for 200 Palestinian prisoners.
 

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Well that's an easy question to answer. Because they are racists. They can't bear the burden of seeing "one of their lads" kick the bucket.
As a resistance movement I would never accept this, but the Palestinian/Arab resistance just made it a sport by kidnapping 1 Israeli in the hope to exchange him for 200 Palestinian p

I guess what i mean is that if you look at oct 7th, it turned out that nearly the entirety of the jewish festival goers were gunned down by the IDF intentionally. They murdered hundreds of their own people to make Oct 7th look like some crazy Hamas slaughter. Why wouldn't they let the Iranians get a few critical hits, to get those scenes of mass murder that they could show to world.

Same with the americans like when they let the base get hit by iranians and no american was harmed. Why wouldnt they sacrifice some of their own people to make the propaganda look more potent. The ruling classes of america don't care about the peasants they use in these wars, why not let some of them get smoked. Kissinger once wrote that american soldiers are dumb stupid animals used to pursue foreign policy and no more.

Maybe part of the reason they don't allow it is because they want to create this confusion. If Iran destroyed multiple bases with that attack and destroyed a few hundred IDF, pretty much everyone would accept it was legit. Maybe its for that reason that they don't want everyone on the same page they allow these firework shows. These obvious works.

Over 300 strikes and not one single zionist was harmed. You got more chance stepping outside your front door and getting hit by lightening, then the Isrealis had in getting hit by an Iranian missile the other night.
 

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I guess what i mean is that if you look at oct 7th, it turned out that nearly the entirety of the jewish festival goers were gunned down by the IDF intentionally.
Bro sorry to say but this a pure conspiracy. Unfortunately ever since Twitter has been taken over by Musk this sort of nonsense has been spreading like wildfire.

Everytime a side doesn't like their actions, they'll blame it on a false flag etc.
 

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Bro sorry to say but this a pure conspiracy. Unfortunately ever since Twitter has been taken over by Musk this sort of nonsense has been spreading like wildfire.

Everytime a side doesn't like their actions, they'll blame it on a false flag etc.

the entire middle and most of its conflicts today are born out of conspiracy. All conspiracy means is that people are conspiring together against someone without the other side knowing about it.

"make secret plans jointly to commit an unlawful or harmful act."

"(of events or circumstances) seem to be working together to bring about a particular negative result.
"everything conspires to exacerbate the situation""

The british, french and russian empires all conspired with minorities of the ottomans state to turn them against the Ottomans. Hollywood even made a movie about one such conspiracy led by Lawrence of Arabia.

The sykes picot argreement or the balfour declaration are examples of conspiracy. Pretty much all borders in the middle east are the results of men conspiring against other men.

FETO for Turkey is a good example. Or the Ayatollah regime taking out the shah is another example. Both conspiracies were undertaken by the west, with america being the primary player.

Joint US/Russian actions in Syria are also examples of nations conspiring together against a 3rd party.

All the western support for PKK is a conspiracy against Turkey.

In cyprus the greek state was conspiring with the greek cypriots to wipe out the Turkish cypriots and annex the island.

The middle east has more conspiracies taking place in it then other place on earth.

As for false flags, they are more common then people want to believe. We even had the leaked recoding of hakan fidan and davutolgu talking about creating a false flag over syria. If Turkey thinks about it, you can sure as hell bet that america, russia, isreal are all about that life.

Could the footage showing idf shooting festival goers be fake, maybe. But this is the nation that ran stories about 40 babies being beheaded and other such bullshit, so i barely ever give them the benefit of the doubt. Plus we seen enough mindless slaughter and indiscriminate killing from them to make it believable. Like when they were blowing up hospitals and blaming it on hamas rockets.
 

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the entire middle and most of its conflicts today are born out of conspiracy. All conspiracy means is that people are conspiring together against someone without the other side knowing about it.

"make secret plans jointly to commit an unlawful or harmful act."

"(of events or circumstances) seem to be working together to bring about a particular negative result.
"everything conspires to exacerbate the situation""

The british, french and russian empires all conspired with minorities of the ottomans state to turn them against the Ottomans. Hollywood even made a movie about one such conspiracy led by Lawrence of Arabia.

The sykes picot argreement or the balfour declaration are examples of conspiracy. Pretty much all borders in the middle east are the results of men conspiring against other men.

FETO for Turkey is a good example. Or the Ayatollah regime taking out the shah is another example. Both conspiracies were undertaken by the west, with america being the primary player.

Joint US/Russian actions in Syria are also examples of nations conspiring together against a 3rd party.

All the western support for PKK is a conspiracy against Turkey.

In cyprus the greek state was conspiring with the greek cypriots to wipe out the Turkish cypriots and annex the island.

The middle east has more conspiracies taking place in it then other place on earth.

As for false flags, they are more common then people want to believe. We even had the leaked recoding of hakan fidan and davutolgu talking about creating a false flag over syria. If Turkey thinks about it, you can sure as hell bet that america, russia, isreal are all about that life.

Could the footage showing idf shooting festival goers be fake, maybe. But this is the nation that ran stories about 40 babies being beheaded and other such bullshit, so i barely ever give them the benefit of the doubt. Plus we seen enough mindless slaughter and indiscriminate killing from them to make it believable. Like when they were blowing up hospitals and blaming it on hamas rockets.

I think most "false flags" are either cracks in the intelligence system or allowed to happen. There's a possibility that Israeli intelligence had known that a Hamas attack was going to happen, but allowed it anyway as the benefits outweigh the costs.

This wasn't a bunch of MOSSAD dudes running around in Hamas uniforms to gun down their own civilians. When the terror attack happened in Moscow, the pro-Ukraine crowd was quick to call it a false flag. PKK terrorists also called their own terror attacks false flags when they realized that the public didn't like it.
 

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I think most "false flags" are either cracks in the intelligence system or allowed to happen. There's a possibility that Israeli intelligence had known that a Hamas attack was going to happen, but allowed it anyway as the benefits outweigh the costs.

This wasn't a bunch of MOSSAD dudes running around in Hamas uniforms to gun down their own civilians. When the terror attack happened in Moscow, the pro-Ukraine crowd was quick to call it a false flag. PKK terrorists also called their own terror attacks false flags when they realized that the public didn't like it.

with Israel i remember seeing helicopter footage where they are told to gun down their own people, operation Hannibal whatever they call it. I didnt put too much energy into discovering the ins and outs of it because pretty much everything isreal says is total bullshit. So the idea that they killed their own people wasnt a big stretch of the imagination, considering how racist that state is to the core. With white Askanazi being seen as the elites of it. Its already come out that they will kill their own people held hostage.

As for Russia they got a big history of false flags and conspiracy. The whole communist takeover of that state was a conspiracy. And marxist/communists are like cancer that grows within a state, using every trick of the book. Even the guy they poisoned and had killed released a book exposing false flag terror attacks that putin did to justify his invasion of Chechnya.

As for the PKK when terrorism is so common from them, calling shit false flag means little, since they have committed thousands of terrorist attacks in their short shitty history. No one needs a false flag to target them since they have created endless acts of terror, any of which could be used to justify retaliation against them.

All of this doesnt even go into the subculture and fraternal orders that exist and are highly influential, freemasonry for example is more powerful globally then Zionism. From the very first oath they make, they swear allegiance to the lodge. The nation means nothing to them.
 
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with Israel i remember seeing helicopter footage where they are told to gun down their own people, operation Hannibal whatever they call it. I didnt put too much energy into discovering the ins and outs of it because pretty much everything isreal says is total bullshit. So the idea that they killed their own people wasnt a big stretch of the imagination, considering how racist that state is to the core. With white Askanazi being seen as the elites of it. Its already come out that they will kill their own people held hostage.

As for Russia they got a big history of false flags and conspiracy. The whole communist takeover of that state was a conspiracy. And marxist/communists are like cancer that grows within a state, using every trick of the book. Even the guy they poisoned and had killed released a book exposing false flag terror attacks that putin did to justify his invasion of Chechnya.

As for the PKK when terrorism is so common from them, calling shit false flag means little, since they have committed thousands of terrorist attacks in their short shitty history. No one needs a false flag to target them since they have created endless acts of terror, any of which could be used to justify retaliation against them.

All of this doesnt even go into the subculture and fraternal orders that exist and are highly influential, freemasonry for example is more powerful globally then Zionism. From the very first oath they make, they swear allegiance to the lodge. The nation means nothing to them.

Please bro, step outside and take a deep breath. I've heard schizophrenics say similar things. I'm not attacking you, but I'm seriously concerned for you.

This back and forth between Isreal and Iran/Arabs has created endless stupidity beyond imagination. Now with Twitter being an unmoderated mess, all types of bullcrap is being spread.

Truth is that as Turks, why the f*ck should we care about this stupid nonsense? Let them fight. Why are you belittling yourself and repeating the same shi*t which Arabs and Iranians have been crying about for years? Let their blood boil.

Let's just focus on building our defence industry. Let's focus on defeating KCK/PKK once and for all. Let's focus on uniting the Turkic World. Don't waste energy on anything else.
 

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with Israel i remember seeing helicopter footage where they are told to gun down their own people, operation Hannibal whatever they call it. I didnt put too much energy into discovering the ins and outs of it because pretty much everything isreal says is total bullshit. So the idea that they killed their own people wasnt a big stretch of the imagination, considering how racist that state is to the core. With white Askanazi being seen as the elites of it. Its already come out that they will kill their own people held hostage.

As for Russia they got a big history of false flags and conspiracy. The whole communist takeover of that state was a conspiracy. And marxist/communists are like cancer that grows within a state, using every trick of the book. Even the guy they poisoned and had killed released a book exposing false flag terror attacks that putin did to justify his invasion of Chechnya.

As for the PKK when terrorism is so common from them, calling shit false flag means little, since they have committed thousands of terrorist attacks in their short shitty history. No one needs a false flag to target them since they have created endless acts of terror, any of which could be used to justify retaliation against them.

All of this doesnt even go into the subculture and fraternal orders that exist and are highly influential, freemasonry for example is more powerful globally then Zionism. From the very first oath they make, they swear allegiance to the lodge. The nation means nothing to them.

Israel gunning their own people is nothing more than incompetence.

Then again Hamas is a insurgent group its easy for them to infiltrate because they are fighting with unconventional methods.

Israel's incompetence mirrors Russia's own with the Beslan massacre where they used Attack helicopters to kill the terrorists which resulted in numerous hostages getting killed.

Same story in the USA with the waco siege where the6 used military tactics against David Koresh and his fanatical followers which not just got them killed but also children.

Algeria also used a attack helicopter against Al qaeda terrorists which took Westerners as hostage in the Sahara.

Friendly fire incidents are just as common. Thats what insurgent groups try to create is a sense of confusion also use it as propaganda.
 

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Please bro, step outside and take a deep breath. I've heard schizophrenics say similar things. I'm not attacking you, but I'm seriously concerned for you.

This back and forth between Isreal and Iran/Arabs has created endless stupidity beyond imagination. Now with Twitter being an unmoderated mess, all types of bullcrap is being spread.

Truth is that as Turks, why the f*ck should we care about this stupid nonsense? Let them fight. Why are you belittling yourself and repeating the same shi*t which Arabs and Iranians have been crying about for years? Let their blood boil.

Let's just focus on building our defence industry. Let's focus on defeating KCK/PKK once and for all. Let's focus on uniting the Turkic World. Don't waste energy on anything else.

relax dude, clam down its just a forum in which the internet has many. You don't have to agree with me, but if your going to be condescending in a backhanded manner then you got to expect a reply. You dont like it, dont read it, dont respond to it. add me to ignore.

and this absolute fetish you have for shit like twitter, i dont even have a twitter account. For the most part i avoid social media outside of using things like facebook for friends and family.
 

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Israel gunning their own people is nothing more than incompetence.
I watched bodycam footage from IDF's ops.
I admit I don't know much about that operator life but even I can tell that they're a bunch of high-tech, aloof boy-scouts.
They literally just pull the trigger. Most of the job was done by the time they get there due to constant f-35 abovehead with full satcom coverage and the fact that the "terrorist" is at the end of his means.

They are comfortably dumb.
 

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Another Mavi Marmara loading?

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Join the Freedom Flotilla for the Freedom of Gaza!

Freedom Flotilla Coalition, established with the initiatives of non-governmental organizations from 12 different countries; It is sailing to the Mediterranean with ships carrying 5,500 tons of humanitarian aid and activists from various countries to break the blockade in Gaza and mobilize conscience against the silence of the world.

They tried it short after the start of the Israeli operation and Gaza with the cooperation of another international organization, attacked the Incirlik airbase by spreading the propaganda of it being an "US airbase", their ear was pulled by Erdogan and they were put on their places. I think this will end in the same way. I don't think Erdogan will allow such idiots to dictate the foreign politics of the State while we still have the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
 

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They tried it short after the start of the Israeli operation and Gaza with the cooperation of another international organization, attacked the Incirlik airbase by spreading the propaganda of it being an "US airbase", their ear was pulled by Erdogan and they were put on their places. I think this will end in the same way. I don't think Erdogan will allow such idiots to dictate the foreign politics of the State while we still have the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Ihh did their homework when the ship was at international waters.

Israelis attacked which became a propaganda victory for ihh.

Israelis were also stupid enough to take the bait.

Ama if the Russians or the Chinese did the same thing the West would have been crying about it like John Kirby crying over Ukrainian children.
 

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Might be significant - the KRG minister of interior has said that the KRG and Iraq do not consider the PKK a terrorist group.

Where Erdogan has abandoned the KDP, Iran is making major gains. It was only a few years ago through KDP oil we were making large monthly bags of cash every month and making Barzani call PKK a terrorist group. Today, even this domino is collapsing.
 

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Ihh did their homework when the ship was at international waters.

Israelis attacked which became a propaganda victory for ihh.

Israelis were also stupid enough to take the bait.

Ama if the Russians or the Chinese did the same thing the West would have been crying about it like John Kirby crying over Ukrainian children.
IHH takes independent steps from the official State policy and this pisses off greatly President Erdogan. It is known that Erdogan criticized IHH's irresponsive moves many times. Their whole organization is existing to serve the State in its affairs, but they went rogue and crossed some lines. They didn't learnt their lessons and want to try again the same stupidity as the last time in which people lost their lives and no help reached the Palestinian people in the end.

There are different types of Islamists in Turkiye with more moderate or radical views. If the ordinary citizens with an Islamist views, the common Erdogan supporters are 1 in the scale of 5, the guy who would die solely in the name of his persona without asking questions is 3, ISIS is 5 then the types of IHH guys together with Hizbul Tahrir are 4.

Those are the same guys which think that Al-Shabaab are a mujahideen against the corrupt Somali government, the same types that think Hayat Tahrir Al-Sham in Syria is a revolutionary force against the Assad and the corrupt Turkish supported forces and sees organizations like the Taliban, Hamas and Al-Qaeda as legitimate forces and sides representing the Muslim world.

Such organizations are easy to exploit due to the fact that their leadership, personnel and supporters are consisted of highly motivated people who know what they are doing and have the needed contacts in jihadist circles. While they were very useful on many occasions for the Turkish Intelligence, they started to become more radical and rogue with the years. One of the sole reasons for many countries to slander Turkiye and the National Intelligence Organization for their alleged support to the global jihadism is this organization. While they have a great humanitarian role all around the world, this is a great mask for covering up their support for different jihadist organizations and MIT operations abroad when they are useful.

The problem with IHH is that the damage it does starts to exceed their good deeds and service by trying to dictate the foreign affairs of Turkiye over the decision making capacity of President Erdogan and they even want to influence internal processes in the country by organizing illegal gatherings, taking place in organizing attacks against foreign diplomatic facilities and military installations where foreign forces are stationed.

The name of this organization is present in intelligence reports in connection to the global terrorism all around the world. In earlier raids against this organization by the Turkish security forces weapons, explosives and Al-Qaeda related persons were found, seized and arrested. In the recent 5 years such organizations intensified its activities in Turkiye, started their own religious magazines with the aim of propagating radical Islam and even leadership figures that are taking place in lists containing the names of businessmen financing terrorism with life imprisonment sentences in other countries were let to meet Turkish official figures within the Diyanet and even people within the provincial administration in Turkiye.

An example of a terrorist that was allowed to roam freely, connected to the financing the global terrorism is Hakem Al-Mutairi. A Kuwaiti businessman taking place in the "terror lists" of several Gulf countries and Egypt. He was sentenced to life imprisonment in relationship with attempts of overthrowing the government system, espionage in Kuwait, but managed to acquire an unlimited residence from Turkiye's migration authorities. The same authorities who allowed millions of illegal migrants from Syria, Africa and the Central Asian republics of which there are thousands of terrorists.

After multiple reports reached the Turkish security forces he was arrested and was going to be extradited to Kuwait within the search warrant in the INTERPOL system. Unfortunately the Turkish government bent their knees before the Muslim Brotherhood officials who stated: "Such stances destroy Turkey’s image in the Islamic world." and he was released on the next day. He is allowed to propagate dangerous Salafism including in universities and his literature (banned in many countries) is translated and published in Turkiye. It contains critics towards the secular ruling system in Turkiye and open insults towards Mustafa Kemal Ataturk.

While I fully support asymmetric approaches in achieving different military and political objectives I am against such people to be let operating so freely in Turkiye. President Erdogan likes to use the example with the snake who bites back. The snake which is growing up in Turkiye is very venomous and has the potential to not only endanger the moderate Islamic views of the majority of Turks in favor of more radical ones, but it can also endanger President Erdogan himself.

If this organization gets out of control they may turn into a national security threat for Turkiye. President Erdogan is aware of all this and despite numerous attempts at violating the official State policy their ear including the ear of IHH was pulled and them put on their places. Especially with the events in Syria and Turkiye, the Turkish security services started to look very seriously on the jihadist threat. Multiple operations were conducted both in Syria and in Turkiye against jihadists endangering the national security and the national interests of Turkiye. IHH also got its fair share.

Erdogan despite his controversial politics knows about the dangers of these organizations. I am only concerned about his ability of balancing the processes and the possible loss of control.

Let's see what Erdogan's comment on IHH and Bulent Yildirim was in 2016 (there was a video of the speech but got removed after IHH attacked Incirlik and Turkish security forces responded earlier this year :) ) :

President Erdogan:

"Did you even ask the Prime Minister regarding the issue of sending humanitarian help? We are already giving the required assistance to Gaza and Palestine. But while we are giving assistance we are not doing it as a demonstration of power but we always did it and we are doing it within the international diplomacy"

My warning to those who support these organizations in opposition to the national security and national policy decisions of the Republic of Turkiye is to return from this mistake while there's still time. There are not much things that are hitting harder in life than the Turkish SOF hitting your door at 4:30 in the morning. ✍️✍️✍️
 

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A snake cannot control its nature. It will bite your hand no matter how hard you try. Using these groups to further state agenda was wrong 15 years ago and it is wrong now and it will only keep detoriating.
 

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Well that’s not going anywhere.


The European Council has tied any progress with Turkey to the resolution of Cyprus talks

• Considering past failed attempts like the Annan plan and Crans Montana. Ankara remains skeptical about Greek (Cypriot) willingness to make concessions to find middle ground

 
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