TR UAV/UCAV Programs | Anka - series | Kızılelma | TB - series

[Kaan Azman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1799010613014016486

AKINCI dropped TOLUN without SADAK-4T Smart Rack this time, Bayraktar TB3 will use it in the same manner. TOLUN can penetrate 1 m of concrete before detonating, makes an interesting alternative to MAM-T.

 

[Afif]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1799010613014016486

AKINCI dropped TOLUN without SADAK-4T Smart Rack this time, Bayraktar TB3 will use it in the same manner. TOLUN can penetrate 1 m of concrete before detonating, makes an interesting alternative to MAM-T.
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What have they done to Kuzgun series? I was really counting on it for TB-3. Hoping that with Kuzgun TJ it would gain mini anti-ship capability.

 

[Oublious]

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1799480311832887659

My Ideas for a unmanned AEW&C System, one based on Kizilelma and other on Akinci.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

Baykar Lands KEMANKEŞ 2 Loitering Munition in Test | TURDEF

Baykar’s second loitering munition, KEMANKEŞ 2, has landed on its skids in its second system verification test.

turdef.com

 

[Strong AI]

{#ElectronicWarfare}
World’s first UAV SOJ!
Development of Radar and Communication Stand Off Jammer integrated on Bayraktar #AKINCI UAV, ASOJ-234U is coming to change the game in field.
Within the scope of ASOJ-234U.
Radar Electronic Support / Attack,
Communication Electronic Support /Attack
#BAYKAR #ASELSAN

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1802658331795841520

 

[RMZN]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1799480311832887659

My Ideas for a unmanned AEW&C System, one based on Kizilelma and other on Akinci.

seems like the europeans are planning to implement such concept:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1802378033774338252

 

[Agha Sher]

They are also planning Süper Şimşek like UAVs launching from C130

Before This, With EF there had been another loyal wingman that we didn't know.
Italian Alenia Sky X

Leonardo Sky-X, precursor of future Loyal Wingman, the unmanned “followers” for the next generation aircraft - Italian Defence Technologies

The Sky-X demonstrator conducted the first flight on 29 May 2005 at the Vidsel,…

www.italiandefencetechnologies.com

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In 2008, it made a very important demonstration where it was able to refuel a C27J completely automatically. The company also conducted a weapon campaign

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İmagine Turkish Süper Şimşek with Hürjet
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Anyway, Kızılelma has a rival, Airbus has just revealed European loyal wingman.
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ILA Berlin 2024

This is a concept and will never materialize. The mock-up is made to inspire of what a wingman could look like. In reality, an actual wingman from Airbus would have much more conventional designs.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

seems like the europeans are planning to implement such concept:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1802378033774338252

It's a Force Multiplier and it's usefull by Operations Outside of Turkey. In 2020 there was an Egypt/ UAE Air Strike in Libya, were some Hawk Launchers got damaged in Al-Wattiya. With proper AEW&C Capabillities in Libya there were no surprise Attack. A high flying AEW&C UAV could more easy detect low flying Threats than a ground based Early Warning Radar.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1802660298546974734

 

[Iskander]

It's a Force Multiplier and it's usefull by Operations Outside of Turkey. In 2020 there was an Egypt/ UAE Air Strike in Libya, were some Hawk Launchers got damaged in Al-Wattiya. With proper AEW&C Capabillities in Libya there were no surprise Attack. A high flying AEW&C UAV could more easy detect low flying Threats than a ground based Early Warning Radar.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1802660298546974734

Do you know what kind of Turkish air defense was installed at Al-Watiya Air Base at the time of the attack on this Hawk?
Some claimed that the attack was carried out by a Mirage fighter. But whose Mirage is this? UAE or Egypt?
Or France? There was also such an assumption.

 

[RMZN]

It's a Force Multiplier and it's usefull by Operations Outside of Turkey. In 2020 there was an Egypt/ UAE Air Strike in Libya, were some Hawk Launchers got damaged in Al-Wattiya. With proper AEW&C Capabillities in Libya there were no surprise Attack. A high flying AEW&C UAV could more easy detect low flying Threats than a ground based Early Warning Radar.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1802660298546974734

but neither Akinci nor Kizilelma seem to be a fitting platform. Something bigger like a HALE on the scale of a Global Hawk is more fitting.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

but neither Akinci nor Kizilelma seem to be a fitting platform. Something bigger like a HALE on the scale of a Global Hawk is more fitting.

I agree with you, there is a need for an high Altitude ISR UAV. With the turkish Presence in Libya and Somalia it become an neccasarry Assest, especially for SAR reconnaissance it's important. TAF lacks in the SAR reconnaissance Area.

Kizilelma lacks the high Altitude Capabillity and Akinci is to slow.

 

[dBSPL]

This is why the twin-engine ANKA-X (I don't know if it is called 4 or 3 block B) is a critical turning point. What kind of doctrine will be served by afterburner engines capable of cruising at supersonic speeds for relatively long periods of time is one of the issues we have not yet discussed enough, but it is clear that this platform will be a highly strategic asset too, as a high-subsonic penetrator drone, as it should be. With twin engines, high altitude, maximized cruising range and payload capacity. State-of-the-art autonomy. Capacity for multiple ANKA systems to operate as machine-machine or machine-human teaming. Full stealth capacity is targeted both structurally and aerodynamically, and in terms of communication systems and avionics. Capable of carrying loitering munitions, drones and a wide range of other systems at internal stations. An AESA suite with a powerful EW capability that has probably never been used in a drone before.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

I expect Anka-3 twin Engine Variant similar like NGAD from Design.

Next Generation Air Dominance Programme, US

Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) is a highly classified and secretive programme of USAF to increase lethality and ensure air superiority.

www.airforce-technology.com

 

[boredaf]

I expect Anka-3 twin Engine Variant similar like NGAD from Design.

Next Generation Air Dominance Programme, US

Next Generation Air Dominance (NGAD) is a highly classified and secretive programme of USAF to increase lethality and ensure air superiority.

www.airforce-technology.com

I bet that'll be Anka-4 and Anka-3 twin engine will retain the general shape of flying wing. In fact, I think TAI's roadmap showed that as well but I might be remembering it wrong.

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

I bet that'll be Anka-4 and Anka-3 twin engine will retain the general shape of flying wing. In fact, I think TAI's roadmap showed that as well but I might be remembering it wrong.

They will be flying Wing, but there will be some Design Changes to archieve Supersonic Speeds. The current Design is not capable for Supersonic Speeds.

 

[Sanchez]

They will be flying Wing, but there will be some Design Changes to archieve Supersonic Speeds. The current Design is not capable for Supersonic Speeds.

It will be the first ever flying wing to reach mach 1. Or, it won’t have a flying wing design.

 

[Radko]

It will be the first ever flying wing to reach mach 1. Or, it won’t have a flying wing design.

Well if you call a dagger shaped design a flying wing, there won't be problems with a supersonic "flying wing", hopefully so

 

[zio]

I believe Kızılelma is tied with KAAN as the most promising Turkish aviation project to date. Not because it's better, but because there is a chance that Kızılelma will have vastly superior conops design and easier production. It will sell like crazy. Just needs one A2A kill and floodgates will be wide open.

Selçuk Bey has a chance to revolutionize air warfare by making advanced capabilities accesible, just like how TB2 did the same with precision strikes. My guess is, he aims to make something that will dominate 4th gen fighters and do SEAD/DEAD. If that goal is achieved, then keeping a competent air power will be significantly easier for friends of the Turkish Republic. Off the shelf A2A and SEAD/DEAD capability.

Of course that's if he can actually manage to do it. I hope it happens. I may even sacrifice a goat when it happens.

Non stealth uavs do not survive in high intensity war if there is enough air defence systems,TB2 do some jobs in ukro russia war but never get an impact as we see in syria,libya and karabağ conflicts,but baykar see the fact and make kemankeş missiles,and roketsan iha 230 ,122 missiles to avoid most of the short and medium altitude air defences,and with aselsan stand off jammer pods to reduce air defence radars coverage ,and this pods can also detect, track air surviallance radars instead of using manned aircrafts in a dangeorus way.However stealth uavs are more strategic assets for passive ED,deads,and deep strike duties.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Anka 3 is a flying wing. Theoretically with powerful enough engines it can achieve supersonic. But from engineering point of view, supersonic flying wings with such thin wings, will not be feasible.

The only way to make a flying wing supersonic is a bi-directional flying wing as per NASA’s experimental designs show:

direction of supersonic flight
direction of subsonic flight.



A bi directional plane such as this which starts with subsonic then rotates by 90 degrees to fly supersonic is the way to achieve feasible flight.

Supersonic flight direction

NGAD is in essence half of such a bi-directional flying wing. It operates on supersonic delta wing form.

So in order for Anka 3 to have supersonic capability, it needs to have thin enough wings but in delta form as per any supersonic plane.
Just remember f14 when it used to close wings to form delta wing when going from subsonic to supersonic.