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This should be extended to all Islamist entities, no matter where they are, they destroy what they claim to protect.

In fact Mossad supported Islamists within the Palestinian resistance because they knew it would weaken them.


It's a very simple cycle. Back cancerous Islamists > be anti Islamic > Islamists lash out and attack you > retaliate and defeat Islamists > rinse and repeat, effortless after first cycle.

Secularism is the only cure, something that the whole Muslim world needs to learn.

Muslim World tried all of that Islamism, Communism, Pan-whatever it is and Secularism.

It all ended up in utter failure.
 

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Yesterday was a very tense day as HRE/PKK pulled off a serious infiltration in the area of Marea. There was a serious escalation on all fronts with HRE/PKK and the YPG (Manbij) on the west of Euphrates.

The last infiltration on the Marea area resulted in multiple casualties from the SNA and it was rumored that the terrorists managed to overwhelm a couple of outposts on the Harbel line. After the decisive intervention of the SNA and after TSK provided support the situation calmed down. Even the leader of the Mutasim Division came to the area in order to command his fighters. It was reported that TuAF fighter jets were flying over the area. Prior to this infiltration it was reported that Ahrar Awlan (HTS supported) clashed with Hamza Division in Kandarliyah.


We talked about the fact that the two points that can escalate the situation a lot are Tal Rifat and Tal Tamr. Well, after the escalation at Tal Rifat was pumped it was reported that YPG-Regime forces started inspections at the Tal Tamr line. Looks like we are moving towards a serious escalation. Whenever Tal Rifat and Tal Tamr get out of control we start to talk about operations. Lets see what will happen this time...

 

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Turkistan Islamic Party (Uyghur Turks) is hitting the Assad regime in Syria with MKE-made 155 mm artillery shells and 120 caliber mortars.
This is not something we should be proud of tho...

Instead of our Turkmen brothers Hawarij fighters like these are getting the good stuff somehow and if we look at the latest attacks from Latakia we can also see who is running the show there. This is not how support to the Turkmen is done. This is how Al-Qaeda 2.0 is being formed under Joulani.
 

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This is not something we should be proud of tho...

Instead of our Turkmen brothers Hawarij fighters like these are getting the good stuff somehow and if we look at the latest attacks from Latakia we can also see who is running the show there. This is not how support to the Turkmen is done. This is how Al-Qaeda 2.0 is being formed under Joulani.
So what, are we going to label East Turkestan Turks as terrorists now? Then you will explain to Uyghur Turks how Turkey is a safe haven for them. "If you become an Islamist, we will label you as a terrorist." I think this is starting to get to a very funny point.
 

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So what, are we going to label East Turkestan Turks as terrorists now? Then you will explain to Uyghur Turks how Turkey is a safe haven for them. "If you become an Islamist, we will label you as a terrorist." I think this is starting to get to a very funny point.
My only line here is, are they pointing their weapons at Turkish soldiers? If they are not, you cannot declare someone a terrorist because they are "Islamist". That is Syria and you cannot choose your "allies" there as you wish.

If you trust him enough to give him a gun, you don't think he'll have a problem with you.

The remaining ideological issues are swept under the carpet on the battlefield.
 
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TIP is designated as a terror group by Turkey. It's complicated.
Then Turkey needs to make a decision when giving them weapons.
Did the artillery shells fall into the hands of TİP through MİT or through handovers tolerated in the field?

Or is this ambiguity being deliberately continued on the ground? If so, I don't see anything to be concerned about here. As long as they don't target us, there is no problem.
 

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So what, are we going to label East Turkestan Turks as terrorists now? Then you will explain to Uyghur Turks how Turkey is a safe haven for them. "If you become an Islamist, we will label you as a terrorist." I think this is starting to get to a very funny point.
Do you know what kind of organization you are talking about? I am not sure if you are aware of the problem here.

As we are not going to label Kurds as terrorist because there are terrorist organizations like the PKK, we are not going to label Uyghurs for such, but people tightly connected to the Al-Qaeda if not terrorists what are they in your book? Are we going to label Al-Qaeda and IS as freedom fighters next? Because many of the fighters that started their career in ETIM/TIP ended up joining IS and Al-Qaeda in Syria and Iraq for the only reason that they have the better chance of achieving a Global Caliphate.

I can assure you these pictures or deliveries are not recent deliveries. If they somehow managed to get something from recent supplies we can talk about a smuggling operation that is aiming to sell weapons and equipment supplied to the SNA to other actors, just as thermal sights supplied with the money of the Turkish citizens were then resold to the PKK/YPG by the same kind of criminal network within the SNA. These are old deliveries that were evenly distributed in Idlib by the same guys that managed to screw up together with the children of the Muslim Brotherhood the whole Turkmen initiative in the north of Syria for the sake of Ihwan projects like Ahrar Al-Sham and this managed nothing else than to bring us the label of "terrorist supporters" while the real people that supported them (including the Coalition) were whitewashed.

Recently Turkiye raided an Ahrar Awlan (Ahrar Al-Sham Eastern Sector) HQ in our controlled areas and it uncovered weapons and explosives waiting ready to be used against us in a plan to incite a rebellion and make a pretext for HTS to invade our areas. These groups (HTS supported) were the ones that initiated the process which led to terrorists open fire against TSK forces, burn Turkish flags, put danger to the security of Turkish citizens and Turkish owned business in the area. We were on the brink of catastrophe and not many people realized how close we were to the end of our adventure in Syria, all because of these groups and our soft touch.

TIP is currently taking place in the Hayat Tahrir Al-Sham (HTS) organization, the old Al-Nusra. An organization that managed to gather Khawarij fighters from all over the world including Uzbeks and Uyghurs. I am too lazy to show you some videos of these fighters and their "pretty" tongue towards Turkiye and the Turkish supported SNA.

Do you know that TIP connected people if their connection is proven are denied Turkish citizenship due to them being a threat to the national security of Turkiye? Do you know that the ancestor of TIP, the ETIM was killed in a Pakistani raid on Al-Qaeda cell in 2003?

I will also say more than that. Al-Nusra (old), HTS and TIP/ETIM are all organizations officially recognized by Turkiye as terrorist organizations. The organization called TIP/ETIM also took part in planning of terrorist attacks against US diplomatic facilities even tho they were taken out of the US terror list later due to political reasons. So how should we label them?
My only line here is, are they pointing their weapons at Turkish soldiers? If they are not, you cannot declare someone a terrorist because they are "Islamist". That is Syria and you cannot choose your "allies" there as you wish.

If you trust him enough to give him a gun, you don't think he'll have a problem with you.

The remaining ideological issues are swept under the carpet on the battlefield.
The problem is not that they are Islamists. The fighters we support (SNA) are also Islamists. No offense, but I think you have a problem with distinguishing moderate Islamism with the "Islamic" extremism we are talking about in this case.

These groups have nothing to do with the Syrian Revolution per the objectives it got when it was started by the oppressed Syrian people. These are called Khawarij and most of them in Syria are foreign fighters. When we talk about Khawarij in the majority of cases we talk about fat Gulf businessman posing as sheikhs sending money and resources to young, talented and ambitious jihadists to reign terror in countries that have nothing to do with these countries actually. This network of which TIP is also part of is called the Global Jihad network that the Gulf businessmen often like to use against whoever they don't like.

What are fighters of Uyghur ethnicity doing in Syria in the first place while they were better positioned for actions against China in Afghanistan and Pakistan one can ask. They are doing the same think what other Central Asians (Turkic Republics), Chechens, Russians and whatever other nationalities of scum including unfortunately Turks (the terrorist that burned our two soldiers alive on a video was a Turk) are doing. They are there within the Global Jihad initiative. These people are not only poisoning the noble cause of the Syrian Revolution with their extremism, but also pose a threat to Turkiye and it will be proved in future like it was proved in the past.

The Turkish pacifism towards these kinds of organizations is the cause Number 1 for the painful state we are in, right now in Syria. We first turned a blind eye to Al-Qaeda, then turned a blind eye to IS, turned a blind eye to YPG and here we are today. The biggest curse on Syria are the foreign fighters and as long as there are foreign fighters on the ground we will not see peace. MIT and all other relevant services saw it and are now on the search for a solution especially after we had to fight meters away from HTS terrorists during Operation Spring Shield while they were calling our soldiers as "Kafir", "Chicken", showed hand signs threatening them with beheading and were ridiculing them.

My friendly advice to you is to take this issue more seriously. Organizations like these are serving only one master and it is not Turkiye or the Turkish people no matter how you call them or whatever ethnicity they are from. The start of the Arab Spring and the role we played in the beginning is a black stain on our record. It is so black that we can't clean it from our white suit for 10 years now and the situation is getting worse and worse especially in Syria, our backyard. We should stay away from their kind. This type of Jihadism is a cancer.
 
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