I wonder what range would KUZGUN-KY reach if it was to be launched off AKINCI. I say 55-60+ km with estimations from UAV-122.
But note that KUZGUN-KY has different flight profiles which change the range. 40 or 50 km range is likely with a ballistic path and the less talked about 20 km is with a hard manuevering one.
But note that KUZGUN-KY has different flight profiles which change the range. 40 or 50 km range is likely with a ballistic path and the less talked about 20 km is with a hard manuevering one.
I think 40 km is already the range when it is fired from an UAV iirc.
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GÜRCAN OKUMUŞ: ASSAN will be the center of mass production in defense
ASSAN Group Defense General Manager Gürcan Okumuş answered our questions about the company's mass production infrastructure and future goals.
Gürcan Okumuş, who stated that ASSAN Group Defense continues its work with the aim of becoming a mass production center in the field of defense industry, gave information about the ongoing and future productions, especially 122mm Rockets, General Purpose Bombs, 155mm Howitzer Ammunition and 60/81/120mm Mortar Ammunition.
In the statement made by Okumuş to SavunmaSanayiST.com Editor-in-Chief Anıl Şahin, the following statements were made:
“ASSAN GROUP has transferred its 40-year machinery production capability to the defense industry sector. Now, the defense industry has become a much more important sector for ASSAN GROUP. We produce MK Series General Purpose Bombs, 122mm Rockets, 155mm Howitzer Ammunition and 60/81/120mm Mortar Ammunition.
We have various subcontractor agreements with Roketsan, ASELSAN and MKE Inc. We have a team of approximately 700 people and our main locations are Sincan and Gerede.
Production of 80 thousand MK Series General Purpose Bombs per year!
We can produce approximately 50 thousand mechanical bodies per year for MK Series General Purpose Bombs. We export a large portion of these to EDGE, a company based in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). Since 2021, we have signed contracts with the UAE to export various amounts of MK Series Bombs and have delivered a large portion of them. We plan to sign a contract with EDGE soon for the supply and joint production of new bombs. Our annual MK Series Bomb production capacity will soon be 80 thousand.Up until now, we have exported these bombs as mechanical bodies to more than 20 countries, including Bulgaria, Brazil and Romania. We have exported bombs in full ammunition configuration to Azerbaijan by receiving the filling service from outside.
MK Series Bomb Production Line for Nakhchivan
We are currently working with a local partner to establish a MK Series Bomb Production Line in Azerbaijan, it has been approved by the government and the permitting process is ongoing. We plan to put the line into operation in 2025. It will be in Nakhchivan and will have the capacity to produce 10 thousand full-shot ammunition per year. We also have capabilities in industrial facility installation. In our ongoing investments in Gerede, we have produced many things such as mixers and reactors with our own engineering capabilities. Our negotiations with different countries for the establishment of a MK Series Bomb Production Line are ongoing.We have become one of the main subcontractors of ASELSAN's TOLUN Ammunition. We provide an end-to-end service such as mechanical body production, energetic material filling, integration of ammunition with electronics from ASELSAN, and then crated and delivered to ASELSAN's desired location with our ADB trucks.
360 thousand 155mm Howitzer Ammunition to be Produced Annually
We have plans to fill aircraft bombs and TNT for 155 in our facilities in Gerede. Our facility construction activities for explosive production and filling are ongoing there. We plan to start producing 155mm Howitzer Ammunition as of mid-2025 and reach full capacity by the end of the year.Our capacity will be to produce 360 thousand 155mm Howitzer Ammunition per year. Some of this will be in different configurations such as 20 kilometers and some 40 kilometers range. Of course, we will not be able to provide all 360 thousand units as loaded, our first goal is to fill 200 thousand units. We plan to sell the remaining part as ready-to-load bodies to various customers.
We plan to produce the fuses for both 122mm and 155mm ammunition ourselves, both through our own R&D activities and through technology transfer. We want to do many things ourselves, as much as possible, within vertical integration.
We have a future investment plan for gunpowder in Kırıkkale. Initially, we may have a single-based investment roadmap, and later we have a roadmap for modular gunpowder
This should address the concern of many members on production capacity of Turkish Ammunition manufacturers. @TR_123456 @Yasar_TR @Sanchez @dBSPL @Kartal1 @what @Saithan @Rooxbar et al.
GÜRCAN OKUMUŞ: ASSAN savunmada seri üretimin merkezi olacak
ASSAN Group Savunma Genel Müdürü Gürcan Okumuş, şirketin seri üretim altyapıları ve ileriye dönük hedeflerine ilişkin sorularımızı yanıtladı.
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Glad he didn't leave defence. It might even be better that he is now in private sector and has more freedom. Tubitak may have been the wrong type of institution to leverage his skills despite delivering great products. Who knows maybe in time assan can grow to rival the munition segment of other large defence firms with revenue gained from these strategic mass production investments.
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Welcome to the invisible side of the Iceberg. -SANs' contractors! Under this 'subcontractors' group, there are hundreds of large and small engineering companies and a significant number of heavy industry facilities. The industrial infrastructure in the country is already known to almost everyone who is an industrial enthusiastism. If you pay attention, the areas of discussion revolve around planning, bureaucracy, business models and system engineering(of some projects) rather than capacity.GÜRCAN OKUMUŞ: ASSAN will be the center of mass production in defense
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ASSAN Group Defense General Manager Gürcan Okumuş answered our questions about the company's mass production infrastructure and future goals.
Gürcan Okumuş, who stated that ASSAN Group Defense continues its work with the aim of becoming a mass production center in the field of defense industry, gave information about the ongoing and future productions, especially 122mm Rockets, General Purpose Bombs, 155mm Howitzer Ammunition and 60/81/120mm Mortar Ammunition.
In the statement made by Okumuş to SavunmaSanayiST.com Editor-in-Chief Anıl Şahin, the following statements were made:
“ASSAN GROUP has transferred its 40-year machinery production capability to the defense industry sector. Now, the defense industry has become a much more important sector for ASSAN GROUP. We produce MK Series General Purpose Bombs, 122mm Rockets, 155mm Howitzer Ammunition and 60/81/120mm Mortar Ammunition.
We have various subcontractor agreements with Roketsan, ASELSAN and MKE Inc. We have a team of approximately 700 people and our main locations are Sincan and Gerede.
View attachment 70954
Production of 80 thousand MK Series General Purpose Bombs per year!
We can produce approximately 50 thousand mechanical bodies per year for MK Series General Purpose Bombs. We export a large portion of these to EDGE, a company based in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). Since 2021, we have signed contracts with the UAE to export various amounts of MK Series Bombs and have delivered a large portion of them. We plan to sign a contract with EDGE soon for the supply and joint production of new bombs. Our annual MK Series Bomb production capacity will soon be 80 thousand.
Up until now, we have exported these bombs as mechanical bodies to more than 20 countries, including Bulgaria, Brazil and Romania. We have exported bombs in full ammunition configuration to Azerbaijan by receiving the filling service from outside.
MK Series Bomb Production Line for Nakhchivan
We are currently working with a local partner to establish a MK Series Bomb Production Line in Azerbaijan, it has been approved by the government and the permitting process is ongoing. We plan to put the line into operation in 2025. It will be in Nakhchivan and will have the capacity to produce 10 thousand full-shot ammunition per year. We also have capabilities in industrial facility installation. In our ongoing investments in Gerede, we have produced many things such as mixers and reactors with our own engineering capabilities. Our negotiations with different countries for the establishment of a MK Series Bomb Production Line are ongoing.
View attachment 70955
We have become one of the main subcontractors of ASELSAN's TOLUN Ammunition. We provide an end-to-end service such as mechanical body production, energetic material filling, integration of ammunition with electronics from ASELSAN, and then crated and delivered to ASELSAN's desired location with our ADB trucks.
360 thousand 155mm Howitzer Ammunition to be Produced Annually
We have plans to fill aircraft bombs and TNT for 155 in our facilities in Gerede. Our facility construction activities for explosive production and filling are ongoing there. We plan to start producing 155mm Howitzer Ammunition as of mid-2025 and reach full capacity by the end of the year.
Our capacity will be to produce 360 thousand 155mm Howitzer Ammunition per year. Some of this will be in different configurations such as 20 kilometers and some 40 kilometers range. Of course, we will not be able to provide all 360 thousand units as loaded, our first goal is to fill 200 thousand units. We plan to sell the remaining part as ready-to-load bodies to various customers.
View attachment 70956
We plan to produce the fuses for both 122mm and 155mm ammunition ourselves, both through our own R&D activities and through technology transfer. We want to do many things ourselves, as much as possible, within vertical integration.
We have a future investment plan for gunpowder in Kırıkkale. Initially, we may have a single-based investment roadmap, and later we have a roadmap for modular gunpowder
This should address the concern of many members on production capacity of Turkish Ammunition manufacturers. @TR_123456 @Yasar_TR @Sanchez @dBSPL @Kartal1 @what @Saithan @Rooxbar et al.
GÜRCAN OKUMUŞ: ASSAN savunmada seri üretimin merkezi olacak
ASSAN Group Savunma Genel Müdürü Gürcan Okumuş, şirketin seri üretim altyapıları ve ileriye dönük hedeflerine ilişkin sorularımızı yanıtladı.
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TOLUN-S, a new TOLUN variant, possibly the surface-launched one announced by İsmail Demir last year
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Two of our potential adversaries have a qualitative edge in the air over us. While I believe Kaan will be a good plane on paper, the Americans weren’t busy with picking pears on working on the F-35 project. There’s a possibility we may be unable to perform air-to-ground missions in future conflicts.
Ground launched SDB has a range of 150 km. It can substitute for lack of air to ground missions for some degree in such scenario.
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This could be our alternative to GLDSB, although it didnt perform well in Ukraine, adds some diversity to the battlefield.
GÜRCAN OKUMUŞ: ASSAN will be the center of mass production in defense
View attachment 70953
ASSAN Group Defense General Manager Gürcan Okumuş answered our questions about the company's mass production infrastructure and future goals.
Gürcan Okumuş, who stated that ASSAN Group Defense continues its work with the aim of becoming a mass production center in the field of defense industry, gave information about the ongoing and future productions, especially 122mm Rockets, General Purpose Bombs, 155mm Howitzer Ammunition and 60/81/120mm Mortar Ammunition.
In the statement made by Okumuş to SavunmaSanayiST.com Editor-in-Chief Anıl Şahin, the following statements were made:
“ASSAN GROUP has transferred its 40-year machinery production capability to the defense industry sector. Now, the defense industry has become a much more important sector for ASSAN GROUP. We produce MK Series General Purpose Bombs, 122mm Rockets, 155mm Howitzer Ammunition and 60/81/120mm Mortar Ammunition.
We have various subcontractor agreements with Roketsan, ASELSAN and MKE Inc. We have a team of approximately 700 people and our main locations are Sincan and Gerede.
View attachment 70954
Production of 80 thousand MK Series General Purpose Bombs per year!
We can produce approximately 50 thousand mechanical bodies per year for MK Series General Purpose Bombs. We export a large portion of these to EDGE, a company based in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). Since 2021, we have signed contracts with the UAE to export various amounts of MK Series Bombs and have delivered a large portion of them. We plan to sign a contract with EDGE soon for the supply and joint production of new bombs. Our annual MK Series Bomb production capacity will soon be 80 thousand.
Up until now, we have exported these bombs as mechanical bodies to more than 20 countries, including Bulgaria, Brazil and Romania. We have exported bombs in full ammunition configuration to Azerbaijan by receiving the filling service from outside.
MK Series Bomb Production Line for Nakhchivan
We are currently working with a local partner to establish a MK Series Bomb Production Line in Azerbaijan, it has been approved by the government and the permitting process is ongoing. We plan to put the line into operation in 2025. It will be in Nakhchivan and will have the capacity to produce 10 thousand full-shot ammunition per year. We also have capabilities in industrial facility installation. In our ongoing investments in Gerede, we have produced many things such as mixers and reactors with our own engineering capabilities. Our negotiations with different countries for the establishment of a MK Series Bomb Production Line are ongoing.
View attachment 70955
We have become one of the main subcontractors of ASELSAN's TOLUN Ammunition. We provide an end-to-end service such as mechanical body production, energetic material filling, integration of ammunition with electronics from ASELSAN, and then crated and delivered to ASELSAN's desired location with our ADB trucks.
360 thousand 155mm Howitzer Ammunition to be Produced Annually
We have plans to fill aircraft bombs and TNT for 155 in our facilities in Gerede. Our facility construction activities for explosive production and filling are ongoing there. We plan to start producing 155mm Howitzer Ammunition as of mid-2025 and reach full capacity by the end of the year.
Our capacity will be to produce 360 thousand 155mm Howitzer Ammunition per year. Some of this will be in different configurations such as 20 kilometers and some 40 kilometers range. Of course, we will not be able to provide all 360 thousand units as loaded, our first goal is to fill 200 thousand units. We plan to sell the remaining part as ready-to-load bodies to various customers.
View attachment 70956
We plan to produce the fuses for both 122mm and 155mm ammunition ourselves, both through our own R&D activities and through technology transfer. We want to do many things ourselves, as much as possible, within vertical integration.
We have a future investment plan for gunpowder in Kırıkkale. Initially, we may have a single-based investment roadmap, and later we have a roadmap for modular gunpowder
This should address the concern of many members on production capacity of Turkish Ammunition manufacturers. @TR_123456 @Yasar_TR @Sanchez @dBSPL @Kartal1 @what @Saithan @Rooxbar et al.
GÜRCAN OKUMUŞ: ASSAN savunmada seri üretimin merkezi olacak
ASSAN Group Savunma Genel Müdürü Gürcan Okumuş, şirketin seri üretim altyapıları ve ileriye dönük hedeflerine ilişkin sorularımızı yanıtladı.
Usually these numbers are state secrets, but this is Turkey. Anyway good to see him and to see their ambitions.
Mass production center with ambitions to vertically integrate with R&D and tech-transfer. Sounds like TSMC in its early years but for bombs.
The reason it didn't perform well is the GPS jamming and baseline GBU-39 has no other way to accurately navigate
It is left to ASELSAN to take notes and overcome
It is left to ASELSAN to take notes and overcome
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I'm sorry, but from the comments I get the impression that Assan group is not a production company, but work with suppliers to deliver products
And another impression I get is that they're not adding to the production capacity, but redistributing/redirecting existing productionlines.
Or did I get something wrong.
Apparently they're supplying Edge in UAE, so they keep their productionline open for export, which is good. But why involve Assan is domestic supply for TSK, if they're making good money from export. Don't we have enough domestic production from MKE and other state owned companies ?
Is this another scheme where privat companies will shrink into only delivering to domestic market and grow fat and lazy from it ?
And another impression I get is that they're not adding to the production capacity, but redistributing/redirecting existing productionlines.
Or did I get something wrong.
Apparently they're supplying Edge in UAE, so they keep their productionline open for export, which is good. But why involve Assan is domestic supply for TSK, if they're making good money from export. Don't we have enough domestic production from MKE and other state owned companies ?
Is this another scheme where privat companies will shrink into only delivering to domestic market and grow fat and lazy from it ?
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We absolutely do not.
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So in between the lines. we're redirecting any unfilled production capacity to our own needs.
I remember a member once mentioned that some things were still very old school in MKE, so I was wondering if we had move on to modern production methods using robots, and automated processes.
For instance if we're using CNC machine and such, do we produce these CNC machine that will enable us to automate more processes ?
Machines would be able to produce through out the night with a few technicians to ensure smooth production and such.
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Yes, In fact, Turkey is very advanced in this matter where we are making one of the most advanced CNCs and even export them to other countries.
Some of the companies in different industries who make their own CNCs:
Akyapak Makina, Taksan Makina, Durma Makina, Baykal Makina, Mikron Makina, Bimatek CNC, Mustek CNC, Protek Otomotive, İğrek Makina.
More related to Defence Industry video with Igrek Makina's founder.
One of the most advanced CNC models(5 AXIS CNC) is also made my them.
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