TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Kaan Azman]

Considering how we would encounter the adversaries in a hypothetical war, I say putting the same kind of payload on aging Yıldırım missiles so that Tayfun production line won't be strained for something very specific

 

[somegoodusername]

Do we have any equivalent to this?

https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/197610/hunting-jp233-anti-runway-weapon/

These are not that much effective in modern warfare. Runways are easy to repair. It's better to hit more critical buildings in an airbase, like planes and munitions.

 

[Chocopie]

Do we have any equivalent to this?

https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/197610/hunting-jp233-anti-runway-weapon/

JP233 was solely used against runways.
German Tornados had a more versatile version with different cluster munitions against diverse targets before the ban.

MW-1 (Mehrzweckwaffe 1, multipurpose weapon): pure 80s Cold War vibe! When Germany was serious about mass killing communists.

 

[boredaf]

These are not that much effective in modern warfare. Runways are easy to repair. It's better to hit more critical buildings in an airbase, like planes and munitions.

Yeah, I think US attacked a Syrian airbase with missiles with similar warheads while Trump was president and planes continued flying from there either the same day or the next.

 

[Strong AI]

Do we have any equivalent to this?

https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/197610/hunting-jp233-anti-runway-weapon/

Maybe there is a version of DEMET for this purpose.
Türkiye is not part of this:

Home

www.clusterconvention.org

NEB can be used against runways too.

 

[Sanchez]

Maybe there is a version of DEMET for this purpose.
Türkiye is not part of this:

Home

www.clusterconvention.org

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NEB can be used against runways too.

It isn’t, but had stated in the past that it would no longer produce cluster munitions. New realities necessitate a change in that policy.

 

[Strong AI]

but had stated in the past that it would no longer produce cluster munitions.

Do you believe that?

 

[Sanchez]

Do you believe that?

Of course. You are as valuable as your word. We said we wouldn't, and we didn't. All our old stocks are also under NATO books, there's nothing to suggest Turkey produced cluster munitions after 90s, although it has shown the capability to develop them with Demet years ago. Ones we sent to Ukraine were older 155mm MKE rounds, license built in Turkey.

To add, Turkey's position on cluster munitions leaves us a lot of leeway, say unlike chemical weapons where we say we never used them in history and will never use them in the future. For cluster munitions, Turkey was and is a user and a producer. It didn't sign the convention on cluster munitions(together with China, Russia, US, Korea) but stated that: "it has not used, produced, imported, or transferred cluster munitions since 2005, and does not intend to do so in the future." Also, "Türkiye has condemned the use of cluster munitions on several occasions in the past.[8] It has voted in favor of UNGA resolutions expressing outrage at the use of cluster munitions in Syria."

But, as US State Dept also mentions: "that the Turkish Armed Forces have “a de facto moratorium on the use of cluster munitions” but that “Turkey’s military doctrine continues to call for the use of cluster munitions in the event of an ‘all-out war.’

https://the-monitor.org/country-profile/turkey/cluster-munition-ban-policy?year=2023

As it should be. These are very ugly weapons, but very effective against military forces. While Turkey vehemently opposes its use in COIN or other low intensity warfare, it thinks it has a place in a theoretical total war. So it doesn't clear its stocks and keeps the capability to produce it if needed.

 

[Azeri441]

Do we have any equivalent to this?

https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Museum-Exhibits/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/197610/hunting-jp233-anti-runway-weapon/

these bombs are not really used anymore, these bombs were meant prior to development of long range guided munitions, the idea was for NATO Tornadoes to rush across the Soviet border to destroy Soviet runways near the borders.

Nowadays, with guided ammunition, you can take out entire airfields from hundreds of kms away.

 

[Strong AI]

"it has not used, produced, imported, or transferred cluster munitions since 2005, and does not intend to do so in the future."

This is actually funny, saying that but then exhibit it so many times after 2005 (not in fairs tho).

EDIT:

Also

 

[UkroTurk]

They are not just cluster bombs. Cumulative shaped warhead effects on runway like RPG hits tank armor. That's why parachutes are used.

I think, our cluster bombs are antipersonnel.

 

[BaburKhan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1840066425769099539

*Studies for long-range AA Missiles are in Progress, they will have a longer range than Gökdoğan.

* The work for the AGRAS-200AA Seeker Head with long-range than Gökdoğan is going on.

Could it be a Missile like AIM-174 ?

AIM-174 Missile Seen On Super Hornet About To Launch From A Carrier For First Time

A "60 Minutes Australia" clip shows an AIM-174 with different markings than have been seen so far on a Super Hornet about the USS Carl Vinson.

www.twz.com

 

[No Name]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1840066425769099539

*Studies for long-range AA Missiles are in Progress, they will have a longer range than Gökdoğan.

* The work for the AGRAS-200AA Seeker Head with long-range than Gökdoğan is going on.

Could it be a Missile like AIM-174 ?

AIM-174 Missile Seen On Super Hornet About To Launch From A Carrier For First Time

A "60 Minutes Australia" clip shows an AIM-174 with different markings than have been seen so far on a Super Hornet about the USS Carl Vinson.

www.twz.com

Wait, what happened to Gökhan?

 

[Oublious]

Wait, what happened to Gökhan?

Bu kapsamda, GÖKDOĞAN’dan daha uzun men-
zilli bir Hava Hava Füzesi için Radar Arayıcı Başlık
(AGRAS-200AA) geliştirilmesi çalışmaları devam
etmektedir.
R A D A R S İ S T E M L E R İ8 6

a missile longer range then Gokdogan is Gokhan...

 

[Afif]

Wait, what happened to Gökhan?

They are making a longer range version of Gokdogan. That is independent of Gokhan.

 

[BaburKhan]

Bu kapsamda, GÖKDOĞAN’dan daha uzun men-
zilli bir Hava Hava Füzesi için Radar Arayıcı Başlık
(AGRAS-200AA) geliştirilmesi çalışmaları devam
etmektedir.
R A D A R S İ S T E M L E R İ8 6

a missile longer range then Gokdogan is Gokhan...

I know about Gökhan and it's an important Project. The long-range AAM in Class of AIM-174 are important for A2/AD Mission against enemy MPA, AWACS and Tanker. It was not mentioned that it is for Gökhan.

 

[Anmdt]

They are making a longer range version of Gokdogan. That is independent of Gokhan.

Agras-200SA is used for Sapan-1 of Navy. So in the best case they share components, and likely we are speaking of missiles with the same diameter.

AMRAAM-ER was built on ESSM, Sapan-1 is rumored to be quadpackable Hisar-D B2, both shares same code.

 

[Sanchez]

Agras-200SA is used for Sapan-1 of Navy. So in the best case they share components, and likely we are speaking of missiles with the same diameter.

AMRAAM-ER was built on ESSM, Sapan-1 is rumored to be quadpackable Hisar-D B2, both shares same code.

"Firing tests have begun with the HİSAR-D missile using ASELSAN Radar Seeker Heads (AGRAS-150SA)."

"Within the scope of the near-term needs of the Naval Forces Command, the studies to increase the capability of Radar Seeker Heads for air defense missiles to be used in the SAPAN Project continue with AGRAS-200SA and AGRAS-500SA. The Radar Seeker Head (AGRAS-400SA) is being developed for the SİPER Product-2 missile developed within the scope of the Long Range Regional Air Defense System SİPER, which constitutes the top layer of the ongoing air defense system projects."

Much confusion still.
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"Development of Radar Seeker Head (AGRAS-200AA) for a longer range Air-to-Air Missile than GÖKDOĞAN is ongoing."

There's nothing to suggest so far that "a longer range Air-to-Air Missile than GÖKDOĞAN", isn't Gökhan.

 

[CAN_TR]

Wait, what happened to Gökhan?

Gökhan was classified as the Ramjet powered missile of the Göktug family, this one here will probably be a Gökdogan with larger diameter.

The question is will it be similar to AIM-174B (only used by the USN), AMRAAM-ER (Norway will use them on their NASAMS) or AIM-260 JATM (the missile that will replace the AMRAAM in the US service.

 

[Afif]

Gökhan was classified as the Ramjet powered missile of the Göktug family, this one here will probably be a Gökdogan with larger diameter.

Will it be similar to AIM-174B, AMRAAM-ER or AIM-260 JATM...

I don't think so. It would probably be like AIM-120D with 60% to 80% increase in effective range over current Gokdogan. (From 100km to 180km)