TR Propulsion Systems

[Shtr]

This interview was recorded at Farnborough International Airshow 2024 July. I hope we will have some news regarding TF6000 soon.

 

[Strong AI]

I din't have to point out that we still haven't ordered engines for all those hürjets jet, do I.

The Block 1 engine in the KAAN is the F110, manufactured by General Electric, which is also used in F-16s. On the other hand, the HÜRJET, for which TUSAŞ (Turkish Aerospace Industries) conducts test flights, uses General Electric's F404 engines.

Will there be permission for these engines? I asked this question to GE officials at the opening of General Electric Aerospace's design center in Istanbul today.

GE officials noted that the permit is on its way to the Senate. GE is closely monitoring the situation to ensure the process proceeds smoothly. Another important advantage in this regard is the approval of the F-16 sale to Turkey. This step is considered to potentially ease the way for obtaining permission for the engines.

https://www.tei.com.tr/en/media/press-releases/mou-tei-turkish-aerospace-and-ge-aerospace

 

[MhhJA]

First shipment at BMC POWER Ankara Factory!

Transmissions and engines, including BATU, which will power the Altay tank, and UTKU, which will power the Fırtına howitzers, were shipped to Sakarya / Arifiye.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1839986253057450367

 

[boredaf]

First shipment at BMC POWER Ankara Factory!

Transmissions and engines, including BATU, which will power the Altay tank, and UTKU, which will power the Fırtına howitzers, were shipped to Sakarya / Arifiye.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1839986253057450367

I hope this is the beginning of things *finally* moving forward with Altay in a steady pace.

 

[Bmx98]

First shipment at BMC POWER Ankara Factory!

Transmissions and engines, including BATU, which will power the Altay tank, and UTKU, which will power the Fırtına howitzers, were shipped to Sakarya / Arifiye.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1839986253057450367

There seems to be an inline engine at the rear of the truck cargo. Wonder which one is it tuna or azra.

 

[Saithan]

I really hope those engines live up to expectations. The region is going from worse to fuc-ked-up. I'd really like to have 500+ of Firtina and Altay (each) to begin with.

 

[Oublious]

Ther is really something cooking about the TF35000 engine, the new CEO of Tusas is talking about a 5 gen engine delivered in begin 0f 2030. Ther is not much time left 5 years, so i hope we will see in 2025 something the engine...

 

[Huelague]

begin 0f 2030. Ther is not much time left 5 years,

Begin of 30' is not equal to end of 20'.

 

[Strong AI]

Ther is really something cooking about the TF35000 engine, the new CEO of Tusas is talking about a 5 gen engine delivered in begin 0f 2030. Ther is not much time left 5 years, so i hope we will see in 2025 something the engine...

I have a feeling that they don't give a f*ck about the efficiency of the engine, because they are literally rushing it, which is understandable and important. In civil aviation, even one hundredths matters. For example MTU had to shut down one of their engine programs, because its efficiency was two hundredths worse than the competition.
But that is a different story since TF35K will be sold with the platform or to countries, which aren't able to buy american/european engines.

 

[No Name]

I have a feeling that they don't give a f*ck about the efficiency of the engine, because they are literally rushing it, which is understandable and important. In civil aviation, even one hundredths matters. For example MTU had to shut down one of their engine programs, because its efficiency was two hundreths worse than the competition.
But that is a different story since TF35K will be sold with the platform or to countries, which aren't able to buy american/european engines.

Even after the engine enters service, development on the engine won't stop, so I'm sure the efficiency will improve over time.

 

[Khagan1923]

Ther is really something cooking about the TF35000 engine, the new CEO of Tusas is talking about a 5 gen engine delivered in begin 0f 2030. Ther is not much time left 5 years, so i hope we will see in 2025 something the engine...

beginning of 2030 or beginning of 2030s

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841865659765907879

here it says "2030larin basinda" which would mean beginning of the 2030s and not beginning of 2030.

 

[Strong AI]

Even after the engine enters service, development on the engine won't stop, so I'm sure the efficiency will improve over time.

Of course, but since it will be the only option for embargoed countries, the efficiency doesn't matter much.

 

[Zoth]

the efficiency doesn't matter much.

It depends what exactly you mean with efficiency. In this case, efficiency and reliability matters a lot, especially for an army like TSK who doesn't accept half finished products. The same happened with Russian SU-57. The reason why we don't see SU-57 entering into mass production was due to unfinished engine, with AL51-F1, they kind of achieved the requirements, hence the project starting to speed up.

There is only 1 exception where Turkey can throw out the efficiency and reliability problems from window, if they fail to buy American Engines for block 1/2 of Kaan, they will be out of many options. If American engines are out of the window, there are only 2 capable engines where Turkey may look, South Korea and Chinese WS engines, which i personally think they will not choose to go with Chinese engines.

 

[Oublious]

beginning of 2030 or beginning of 2030s

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841865659765907879

here it says "2030larin basinda" which would mean beginning of the 2030s and not beginning of 2030.

you are correct, somewher begin 2030....

 

[Strong AI]

It depends what exactly you mean with efficiency. In this case, efficiency and reliability matters a lot, especially for an army like TSK who doesn't accept half finished products. The same happened with Russian SU-57. The reason why we don't see SU-57 entering into mass production was due to unfinished engine, with AL51-F1, they kind of achieved the requirements, hence the project starting to speed up.

There is only 1 exception where Turkey can throw out the efficiency and reliability problems from window, if they fail to buy American Engines for block 1/2 of Kaan, they will be out of many options. If American engines are out of the window, there are only 2 capable engines where Turkey may look, South Korea and Chinese WS engines, which i personally think they will not choose to go with Chinese engines.

To put it simply, ratio of the output to input. And no one talked about the reliability, that is a whole different topic.

 

[Oublious]

Nice footages of TF6000/TF10000 engine, ther is no doubt anymore to make the engine according to Aksit and the dream team. Aksit do not like to give date but 1 thing is certain the engine will come.

 

[Saithan]

I've asked this before, and we had a long and good discussion about it, but I'm just going to ask again.

Which UAV or platform is being powered by TF6000. All I see if people hyping over what's going to be, but there are many people like me who're wondering, if this is a propulsion system, shouldn't it be stuck on something to fly around and show the people it works as intended. It's not a small piece of something larger like a cog.

 

[somegoodusername]

I've asked this before, and we had a long and good discussion about it, but I'm just going to ask again.

Which UAV or platform is being powered by TF6000. All I see if people hyping over what's going to be, but there are many people like me who're wondering, if this is a propulsion system, shouldn't it be stuck on something to fly around and show the people it works as intended. It's not a small piece of something larger like a cog.

Kızılelma and Anka-3 is planned to use TF-6000 (TF-10000) engine when that engine is ready.

 

[Saithan]

Kızılelma and Anka-3 is planned to use TF-6000 (TF-10000) engine when that engine is ready.

You're just parroting everyone else...

Planned, Expected to are vague term and not confirmed enough for me.

Also they test fired TF6000 in spring 2024, so when will TF6000 be ready to power KE and Anka 3 ?

 

[Sanchez]

You're just parroting everyone else...

Planned, Expected to are vague term and not confirmed enough for me.

Also they test fired TF6000 in spring 2024, so when will TF6000 be ready to power KE and Anka 3 ?

Erdoğan himself said 5 years last year.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1727268458130506165

Full rate production for TF6000 confirmed as 5 years?