TR Propulsion Systems

[boredaf]

First shipment at BMC POWER Ankara Factory!

Transmissions and engines, including BATU, which will power the Altay tank, and UTKU, which will power the Fırtına howitzers, were shipped to Sakarya / Arifiye.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1839986253057450367

I hope this is the beginning of things *finally* moving forward with Altay in a steady pace.

 

[Bmx98]

First shipment at BMC POWER Ankara Factory!

Transmissions and engines, including BATU, which will power the Altay tank, and UTKU, which will power the Fırtına howitzers, were shipped to Sakarya / Arifiye.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1839986253057450367

There seems to be an inline engine at the rear of the truck cargo. Wonder which one is it tuna or azra.

 

[Saithan]

I really hope those engines live up to expectations. The region is going from worse to fuc-ked-up. I'd really like to have 500+ of Firtina and Altay (each) to begin with.

 

[Oublious]

Ther is really something cooking about the TF35000 engine, the new CEO of Tusas is talking about a 5 gen engine delivered in begin 0f 2030. Ther is not much time left 5 years, so i hope we will see in 2025 something the engine...

 

[Huelague]

begin 0f 2030. Ther is not much time left 5 years,

Begin of 30' is not equal to end of 20'.

 

[No Name]

I have a feeling that they don't give a f*ck about the efficiency of the engine, because they are literally rushing it, which is understandable and important. In civil aviation, even one hundredths matters. For example MTU had to shut down one of their engine programs, because its efficiency was two hundreths worse than the competition.
But that is a different story since TF35K will be sold with the platform or to countries, which aren't able to buy american/european engines.

Even after the engine enters service, development on the engine won't stop, so I'm sure the efficiency will improve over time.

 

[Khagan1923]

Ther is really something cooking about the TF35000 engine, the new CEO of Tusas is talking about a 5 gen engine delivered in begin 0f 2030. Ther is not much time left 5 years, so i hope we will see in 2025 something the engine...

beginning of 2030 or beginning of 2030s

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841865659765907879

here it says "2030larin basinda" which would mean beginning of the 2030s and not beginning of 2030.

 

[Zoth]

the efficiency doesn't matter much.

It depends what exactly you mean with efficiency. In this case, efficiency and reliability matters a lot, especially for an army like TSK who doesn't accept half finished products. The same happened with Russian SU-57. The reason why we don't see SU-57 entering into mass production was due to unfinished engine, with AL51-F1, they kind of achieved the requirements, hence the project starting to speed up.

There is only 1 exception where Turkey can throw out the efficiency and reliability problems from window, if they fail to buy American Engines for block 1/2 of Kaan, they will be out of many options. If American engines are out of the window, there are only 2 capable engines where Turkey may look, South Korea and Chinese WS engines, which i personally think they will not choose to go with Chinese engines.

 

[Oublious]

beginning of 2030 or beginning of 2030s

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1841865659765907879

here it says "2030larin basinda" which would mean beginning of the 2030s and not beginning of 2030.

you are correct, somewher begin 2030....

 

[Oublious]

Nice footages of TF6000/TF10000 engine, ther is no doubt anymore to make the engine according to Aksit and the dream team. Aksit do not like to give date but 1 thing is certain the engine will come.

 

[Saithan]

I've asked this before, and we had a long and good discussion about it, but I'm just going to ask again.

Which UAV or platform is being powered by TF6000. All I see if people hyping over what's going to be, but there are many people like me who're wondering, if this is a propulsion system, shouldn't it be stuck on something to fly around and show the people it works as intended. It's not a small piece of something larger like a cog.

 

[somegoodusername]

I've asked this before, and we had a long and good discussion about it, but I'm just going to ask again.

Which UAV or platform is being powered by TF6000. All I see if people hyping over what's going to be, but there are many people like me who're wondering, if this is a propulsion system, shouldn't it be stuck on something to fly around and show the people it works as intended. It's not a small piece of something larger like a cog.

Kızılelma and Anka-3 is planned to use TF-6000 (TF-10000) engine when that engine is ready.

 

[Saithan]

Kızılelma and Anka-3 is planned to use TF-6000 (TF-10000) engine when that engine is ready.

You're just parroting everyone else...

Planned, Expected to are vague term and not confirmed enough for me.

Also they test fired TF6000 in spring 2024, so when will TF6000 be ready to power KE and Anka 3 ?

 

[Sanchez]

You're just parroting everyone else...

Planned, Expected to are vague term and not confirmed enough for me.

Also they test fired TF6000 in spring 2024, so when will TF6000 be ready to power KE and Anka 3 ?

Erdoğan himself said 5 years last year.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1727268458130506165

Full rate production for TF6000 confirmed as 5 years?

 

[boredaf]

You're just parroting everyone else...

Planned, Expected to are vague term and not confirmed enough for me.

Also they test fired TF6000 in spring 2024, so when will TF6000 be ready to power KE and Anka 3 ?

Settle down there mate, testing engines is a long process. It cannot be just fired and then installed on a drone to fly. Your lack of understanding on the matter doesn't mean someone is "parroting" something. It might not be confirmed for you, but it is in the ground testing process and that's all there is to it until that ends.

 

[Zoth]

You're just parroting everyone else...

Planned, Expected to are vague term and not confirmed enough for me.

Also they test fired TF6000 in spring 2024, so when will TF6000 be ready to power KE and Anka 3 ?

There is some confusion going on here, there are 2 engines that are being developed at the same time, TF-6000 and TF-10000.

TF-6000 Is going to be used both on ANKA-3 and Kizilelma and future upcoming smaller UCAVS once they enter production.

Both Anka 3 and Kizilelma will have a bigger variant which will have 2 engines installed on them, ANKA-4 and Kizilelma 2(naming hasn't decided on that yet).

Now, the real deal TF-10000, this engine will be powering future Hurjets and from this engine the bigger variant TF-35000 will be made for KAAN, once everything is perfected with TF-10000 of course.


You are asking asking a question which has no direct answer, "so when will TF6000 be ready to power KE and ANKA 3", according to TUSAS , ANKA 3 will be delivered to TSK in early 2025 so it means that TF6000 will also be ready around there.

 

[Sanchez]

Now, the real deal TF-10000, this engine will be powering future Hurjets

Not correct. TF-10000 is a TF-6000 with afterburner, and will not be used on Hürjet as it's too small. We can expect it to be used on new versions of Kızılelma.

 

[Zoth]

Not correct. TF-10000 is a TF-6000 with afterburner, and will not be used on Hürjet as it's too small. We can expect it to be used on new versions of Kızılelma.

You are correct, for some reason i remember it this way, sorry for misinformation.

now that i re-checked, i couldn't find anything on what Hurjet will be using in the future though, do you perhaps have some info on it?

 

[Sanchez]

You are correct, for some reason i remember it this way, sorry for misinformation.

now that i re-checked, i couldn't find anything on what Hurjet will be using in the future though, do you perhaps have some info on it?

There's no planned replacement for the American F404 for Hürjet, at least on the public space. F404 is an old, reliable engine that is used by most of the world, have no cutting edge features and some alternatives for it exist, so thinking must be that we don't think Americans will stop its sale. Armed version is of course another issue.

Reason we are building TF35000 for Kaan is not just that we fear Americans stopping its transfer, but also that F110, one of the most efficient and powerful afterburning turbofan engines in the world, is not good enough to unlock Kaan's full potential. TF-35000 is possibly our most ambitious project, moreso than Kaan, Batu for Altay, even the aircraft carrier.

 

[Shtr]

TF6000 and TF10000 are important for TF35000. These tech will be base of TF35000 and they will provide necessary experience to develope TF35000. It may sound weird but TF6000 and TF10000 are not top priority for their targeted platforms. Kizilelma and Anka3 have their own alternatives. Kizilelma Model C will have TF10000 and it seems it will be not in a real future.

TF6000 is also important in other areas. I expect ATAK 2 is also waiting TF6000 somehow.

“TF6000 is at a level that can fly KIZILELMA, if its core is turned into a turboshaft, it can fly ATAK 2, if a ship propeller is attached, it can be used in a national assault boat. There is cooperation with BOTAŞ for it to be used as a natural gas compressor.”

Yesterday Mehmet Demiroğlu stated that we started to work on TS3000. I guess that this is connected.