It's highly doubtful that we could get those engines(F110s) without they drag us through the mud first. In fact, the chance of them denying us those engines is not below 50% in my opinion. We will be in a very rude awakening.
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I also think similarly, which it was my main question, i wonder what we are going to do if USA denies us those engines.
For the least, we'd say "auf wiedersehen" to the US soldiers in Incirlik and NATO membership would be put in question.
I personally think we may try to get the WS-15 engine but the question is, would China give us that very advanced engine? Maybe if the ties with USA gets torn so badly that they may consider it.
Another option is EJ-200 would the Germans let us produce and use that engine in our Kaan?
In worst case scenario where we end up not getting any engines, Kaan may be even delayed to 2032.
EJ-200 is not option. It's too weak for KAAN. And assuming the Chinese gave us their engines(which they wouldn't for the obvious reasons), it still wouldn't remedy our predicament. Engines are not simple plug and play devices. An aircraft is designed and built around an engine. KAAN's development would be in advanced stage and such a drastic change could require design alterations that could delay the program for many years.
I guess, if the push comes to shove, we could use our spare engines and cannibalize some F16s to fly a squadron of KAAN to be able to bring the aircraft to FOC around 2035 when the TF35K catches up the aircraft(the production version of it, not the prototypes). In the meantime, we have to field many(quantity-wise) MRBMs for deterrence and should have an indigenous anti-ballistic SAM solution.
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I think Türkiye needs a similar stopgap that Iran uses, which means a shit ton of ballistic Missiles till we get this fu..... engine problem fixed. All this begging for engines and everyone playing good cop bad cop is pissing me off.
Build thousands of BM, that's the most realistic stopgap we can have till KAAN is out. They won't give us F16, F16 Kits, EF, F35 etc.
Build thousands of BM, that's the most realistic stopgap we can have till KAAN is out. They won't give us F16, F16 Kits, EF, F35 etc.
We can't put our hopes on the prevalence of the rational faculties of the US. We have to assume the worst and be prepared to the best of our abilities.
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The situation currently is such that even if we wanted there's really nothing we can do about it. It is a fact that the prototypes and the first batch of 20 KAAN will fly with US made F110 engines and by the looks there are no other viable alternatives. According to Ismail Demir there are three alternatives, talking about a Japanese, Russian and Chinese engines. Well, for me these alternatives are a no go.
We already received the engines for three prototypes and we will continue with them. If by any chance the US sabotages the project by not delivering more engines then we should rely solely on ourselves.
There's also another important thing. Apart from the bilateral relations between Turkiye and the US this whole defence industry and military cooperation issue should be viewed within the frame of NATO's southern flank and our Navy and Air Force should be capable enough to deter any threats. As long as the dialogue with Greece is okay without serious escalations I think that the US view on possible military equipment sales to Turkiye will only improve with time. The US is way more open to cooperation with Turkiye than the EU leaders, mainly Germany and France.
We already received the engines for three prototypes and we will continue with them. If by any chance the US sabotages the project by not delivering more engines then we should rely solely on ourselves.
There's also another important thing. Apart from the bilateral relations between Turkiye and the US this whole defence industry and military cooperation issue should be viewed within the frame of NATO's southern flank and our Navy and Air Force should be capable enough to deter any threats. As long as the dialogue with Greece is okay without serious escalations I think that the US view on possible military equipment sales to Turkiye will only improve with time. The US is way more open to cooperation with Turkiye than the EU leaders, mainly Germany and France.
If Turkey wanted and was forced to do so, it could produce an engine very similar to the F110 engine domestically within 4-5 years, so it is not right to compare Iran and Turkey. I think we are on the wrong track regarding the engine. Korea is producing domestic engines for the KF-21 aircraft under license, on the one hand, and is developing an original engine with similar technology, that is the logical thing to do, but we are not in a position to do this due to political reasons.
Why are we so eager to buy eurofighters if we think they will give us engines? We can already produce Kaan until the first eurofighter is delivered.
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Leverage,insurance,diversity,possibility,you name it.
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We won't have production units of Kaan until early 2030s (there were news about it in last month or so iirc), with F110s. Eurofighter deliveries will have already began by then, depending on how the lines work could be close to the end. We shouldn't count on Kaan, especially with our own engines, until mid 2030s, anything else is idealistic/hopeful but not realistic a bit.
