TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[Rooxbar]

Supplicant!!! Look at operation Atilla and compare that to Annan plan and you'll see what supplicant means. And that was in the 70s, what with all the global economic recession and the rest of it. The begging that's been going on for f16s which is due to the purge of the secular foreign policy actors and "monşers" who knew the ins and outs of the U.S. political system and how to exploit it is also another great sign compared to the amount of technology transfer we got when we forced them to agree to domestic production, along with the deal we got out of them via the negotiations to be partner in f-35 consortium which started in 1997 and culminated in 2002 compared to how we got kicked out and couldn't do zilch about it, along with how they've been holding every single refugee who wants to go to EU inside our country paying pennies for every dollar of our resources which they gobble up, along with this:

 

[IC3M@N FX]

@Asena_great It's just too long for me why can't you reduce it to a minimum instead of posting or telling the complete story here. Above all, I don't know if you're not cherry picking what you're doing....z.b bending the story without having watched every single video or accusing you of lying or being untruthful, I must honestly admit it's too exhausting for me to read it all.

So my question is, when you compare the past with the countless coups the country has experienced, has there ever been a benefit for the people and the country? Were the people better off after the economy was driven to the wall several times when 1 German Mark was worth 1000000 Lira? Where children sold Sümit & Cola at 10 p.m. in long-distance bus stations in torn T-shirts and plastic shoes when there were hardly any airports to East Anatolia.
Of course there is still poverty in Turkey today, but in my time I had almost only seen these situations.
There was only rich or poor, the middle class was non-existent like in many third world countries.

I also knew this Turkey in the 80-90s where there was no infrastructure, no proper medical care anywhere in Turkey, and the restaurants and stores sold expired food, where bus rest stops stank of shit because they hadn't cleaned their toilets for eons because there was no quality standard or self-esteem to pass this on to other people.
I remember when I was on vacation in my childhood, there was so well no Turkey vacation where I had no stomach virus these memories firmly anchored with me.

I want to be honest, I am not interested in what Erdogan and his family may be doing, or embezzling money, or practicing nepotism! Because I know the next politician who comes to power will do exactly the same.
It has been done in the past, it is being done in the present and it will be done in the future.

For me, only tangible things are important!
What he do in his term of office:

Has the quality of life of the people in the country been improved compared to before in the general population? Yes

Has the air, train and bus infrastructure been improved? Yes

Would medical care be improved across the board? Yes

Has the energy infrastructure been improved? Yes

Has the technology in the country been improved both in the industry & defense industry and most recently also for the civilian population through synergies? Yes

Have standards been set for food regulations in stores and healthcare in restaurants? Yes

As I said, Erdogan is no saint and there are many things he does wrong, but no one can deny his successes!

 

[Asena_great]

It's just too long for me why can't you reduce it to a minimum instead of posting or telling the complete story here.

dede i have nothing else to tell you and in my opinion your right to vote need to be revoked.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

dede i have nothing else to tell you and in my opinion your right to vote need to be revoked.

I am 42 years old and far from Dede, there are many people like me who know the past and the present, and I am glad that many people think rationally. If I were an American, I would vote for Trump. I just want to see people in government who can act and make a difference.
Previous governments have had their chance and have failed miserably. For me, the debate about whether Erdogan is good or bad is also exhausting. If you can do better, then you should stand for election and convince people that you can do better and help all people in Turkey with different interest groups and ethnicities. Good luck...... because you will always be the asshole of one interest group.

 

[Zoth]

Has the air, train and bus infrastructure been improved? Yes

Would medical care be improved across the board? Yes

Has the energy infrastructure been improved? Yes

Has the technology in the country been improved both in the industry & defense industry and most recently also for the civilian population through synergies? Yes

Have standards been set for food regulations in stores and healthcare in restaurants? Yes

By just reading this part i can tell that this friend has not lived in Turkey for a very long time, i'm not trying to personally target him but living in Turkey as a Turk can be considered one of the worst fates. A typical normal Turkish person dosn't even have a free healthcare compared to a syrian refugee in damn Turkey.

I won't even mention the food regulation part, this is just totally wrong.


Has those points you mentioned improved? Yes, but at what cost? Making a bridge that costs 4x times the amount that would normally cost, making it also passenger guaranteed that burdens the daily person even more with taxes and costs.

Again, at what cost?

 

[Rooxbar]

@Asena_great Were the people better off after the economy was driven to the wall several times when 1 German Mark was worth 1000000 Lira?

That's not how currencies work btw, the brute numbers tell us nothing; it's like saying 10000 mm is bigger than 5 inches. 46 Mauritian Rupee is 1 dollar, while 154 Japanese Yen is also one dollar, but obviously the bigger number, Japanese Yen in this case, is not the worse one, although its nominal value is lower than the Mauritian one.

It's about average income, rate of minimum wage workers, inflation, purchasing power, circulating supply, etc.; it's relative. You can have a currency (let's call it Lorin) with exchange rate of 1 billion Lorin to 1 dollar but the people in the country earn on average 10k billion Lorens a month which makes it 10k dollars, if it's with comparable inflation with the world average that would make it a very strong currency due to the purchasing power of the amount of it in circulation.

 

[Zoth]

That's not how currencies work btw, the brute numbers tell us nothing, it's like saying 10000 mm is bigger than 5 inches. 46 Mauritian Rupee is 1 dollar, while 154 Japanese Yen is also one dollar, but obviously the bigger number is not the worse one. It's about average income, rate of minimum wage workers, inflation, purchasing power; it's relative.

Just to add to this very true take, what's more important is the stability of the currency(inflation/deflation), when the currency is very unstable, inland market has hard time on setting the real prices, which what they end up doing is overpricing just so they can compensate against very unstable currency( for the inflation in our case).

 

[Rooxbar]

Just to add to this very true take, what's more important is the stability of the currency(inflation/deflation), when the currency is very unstable, inland market has hard time on setting the real prices, which what they end up doing is overpricing just so they can compensate against very unstable currency( for the inflation in our case).

Just a side note, the word "take", used in this sense, along with the words "entrepreneur" and "STEM" are my least favourite words. Interestingly "enterprise" is one of my favourites.