Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[SilverMachine]

Sorry that the Iranians destroyed the thought of what is considered superman in this forum.
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Say for example missiles have hit the Kaan in Turkey, I assure you the government and media would try to hide it if they had a considerable amount of those aircrafts like any country would if they had 5th gens.

Ecept (damn keyboard ain't working, forgive the letter omission) that didn't happen and your sources are shit.

The Iranians hit a bunch of above-ground hangars, and yes, damaged them significantly (albeit repairable, not catastrophic). The 35's aren't stored in those hangars, the usual militantly-salivating down-with-Israel types just took that hangar damage, conflated it with damaged airframes (which I can't even find confirmation on, any airframes even 15's or 16s alike) and ran with the false stories. Israel, like all competent nations, stores their valuable shit like 35s in reinforced protected hangars, some even underground. None of that was hit by Iran.

But yeah, like guys like you are ever going to be persuaded off your course of "I wish it therefore it's true!". Keep dealing in the conspiracies chief, we'll await the weather-controlling theories in good time.

 

[Spitfire9]

Sorry that the Iranians destroyed the thought of what is considered superman in this forum.
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Say for example missiles have hit the Kaan in Turkey, I assure you the government and media would try to hide it if they had a considerable amount of those aircrafts like any country would if they had 5th gens.

If Israel lost assets/air assets in missile attacks, so what? That is to be expected in an attack by a large number of missiles. What is the point you are trying to make? That the Israeli air defence system is not impregnable?

I would be curious to know what damage was done but I doubt it will restrict Israel's military capability, limiting what military operations it can undertake. Whatever aircraft losses were suffered, Uncle Sam will replace free of charge anyway (US military aid pays the bill).

 

[blackjack]

Ecept (damn keyboard ain't working, forgive the letter omission) that didn't happen and your sources are shit.

The Iranians hit a bunch of above-ground hangars, and yes, damaged them significantly (albeit repairable, not catastrophic). The 35's aren't stored in those hangars, the usual militantly-salivating down-with-Israel types just took that hangar damage, conflated it with damaged airframes (which I can't even find confirmation on, any airframes even 15's or 16s alike) and ran with the false stories. Israel, like all competent nations, stores their valuable shit like 35s in reinforced protected hangars, some even underground. None of that was hit by Iran.

But yeah, like guys like you are ever going to be persuaded off your course of "I wish it therefore it's true!". Keep dealing in the conspiracies chief, we'll await the weather-controlling theories in good time.

even with some telegram sources showing the satellite images of where F-35s are usually stationed get destroyed you will go with Israeli cope.

If Israel lost assets/air assets in missile attacks, so what? That is to be expected in an attack by a large number of missiles. What is the point you are trying to make? That the Israeli air defence system is not impregnable?

I would be curious to know what damage was done but I doubt it will restrict Israel's military capability, limiting what military operations it can undertake. Whatever aircraft losses were suffered, Uncle Sam will replace free of charge anyway (US military aid pays the bill).

having sufficient number of missiles against another nation that can easily destroy airbases that house 5th gens is an easy solution was the point that everything will eventually lead to a ground war.

 

[SilverMachine]

...Telegram sources. Again, quite a self-own on your part. They're not "usually stationed" there, some Russian incel made that up and you were gullible enough to buy into it. No reputable source has said Israel lost any 35s in the Iranian barrage, for one. Secondly, even if it happened, again it didn't, but if it did as the other guy says, hardly some game-changer. Plenty more where those came from, Iran's clearly laughably overmatched, and if they're really that intent on the fight then they're getting anally ravaged by the IDF.

Again though, your source is some rando dipshit on Telegram declaring that the F-35s are normally stored there, which A) They're not, and B) Even if they were, they would have been moved earlier given the Iranians telegraphed their barrage in advance. You're talking shit.

And to reiterate, Iran's air force is like comprised like 3/4 of tech from the 1970s. Might want to think twice before rattling that saber, champ. All they need is a reason to go all boot-on-ant.

We're also waaaaay off-topic of the Rooskies beating the Ukes.

 

[blackjack]

...Telegram sources. Again, quite a self-own on your part. They're not "usually stationed" there, some Russian incel made that up and you were gullible enough to buy into it. No reputable source has said Israel lost any 35s in the Iranian barrage, for one. Secondly, even if it happened, again it didn't, but if it did as the other guy says, hardly some game-changer. Plenty more where those came from, Iran's clearly laughably overmatched, and if they're really that intent on the fight then they're getting anally ravaged by the IDF.

Again though, your source is some rando dipshit on Telegram declaring that the F-35s are normally stored there, which A) They're not, and B) Even if they were, they would have been moved earlier given the Iranians telegraphed their barrage in advance. You're talking shit.

And to reiterate, Iran's air force is like comprised like 3/4 of tech from the 1970s. Might want to think twice before rattling that saber, champ. All they need is a reason to go all boot-on-ant.

We're also waaaaay off-topic of the Rooskies beating the Ukes.

holy fuck dude there are satellite images out there of the destroyed bunkers. Do you have a Jewish background by any chance which might explain your adamance of you keep telling me trust the western media which many Jewish people have high positions in controlling western media? We are still on topic if this involves the uselessness of aircrafts getting destroyed in airbases against another superpower in a conflict like this war.

 

[SilverMachine]

Destroyed *hangars*. Fuck, man. What aren't you getting? Hangars, not bunkers. Hangars that don't house F-35s.

And it's the Russia V.S. Ukraine thread, Iranian cheerleader gullible guy. Whoa.

 

[blackjack]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1859555264523010118

Destroyed *hangars*. Fuck, man. What aren't you getting? Hangars, not bunkers. Hangars that don't house F-35s.

And it's the Russia V.S. Ukraine thread, Iranian cheerleader gullible guy. Whoa.

Shalom

 

[Spitfire9]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1858531000025837761

Russia is certainly burning through its stockpile of stored weapons. It has sufficient recruits to keep troop levels high but at the cost of burning through its workforce, stripping the economy of labour in order to send it to Ukraine.

I do not think that Ukraine can regain on the battlefield the territory lost during the invasion. That possibility passed IMO when it became apparent that the West was not prepared to allow its 'best' weapons to be donated to Ukraine (eg HIMARS. ATACMS, F-16) or to allow the weapons it did eventually donate to be used to their best effect. Can you imagine North Korea supplying Russia with shells with the condition that they could only be fired at targets in occupied Russia (Kursk)?

The only way Ukraine can prevail militarily IMO would be through strikes on Russian infrastructure and logistics in Russia, starving the Russians on the front of the wherewithal to fight. Not going to happen though IMO.

The better approach to getting Putin to abandon his ambition of controlling Ukraine would have been through damaging the Russian economy. It has been damaged by sanctions but far less than if the sanctions had been enforced seriously eg I think that Azerbaijan imports of machine tools rose 800% yet kept being supplied even though it was obvious their final destination was Russia. Same game with airliner spares, oil production spares etc. Russia's economy could have been brought to its knees if the West had chosen to do that. Could still be.

 

[Iskander]

You're talking shit.

Colleague, are you talking about the moderator?
You know, before you came to our forum, I had a completely different opinion about Australians

 

[Afif]

First military use of intercontinental ballistic missile!

Ukraine claims Russia fired intercontinental ballistic missile at Dnipro | Ukraine | The Guardian

If confirmed, firing of weapon would mark first time missile – which can carry nuclear payload – has been used

amp.theguardian.com

 

[Soldier30]

Ukrainian media published footage of a strike by Ukrainian Storm Shadow cruise missiles, made in England, on a building in the village of Maryino in the Kursk region of Russia. The strike was carried out on buildings on the territory of the estate of the princes Baryatinsky, it is unknown what is there. According to Ukrainian media, there is a communications bunker under the building. The second version of the media is that there were North Korean soldiers in the bunker. Judging by the video, there is no air defense in the area. Or the air defense is not equipped with radar to detect low-flying targets, this happens quite often. Why is this happening, the length of the front line is about 2000 km, the Russian army does not have enough air defense systems to cover all the facilities in Russia, since there are thousands of them. It is worth noting that no air defense can shoot down 100% of targets. Earlier, it was proposed to create an air defense belt around Ukraine, but it is unknown whether this was implemented. The video was filmed by a Ukrainian drone on November 20 and shortened. Judging by the video, about 10 missiles reached their target. At the end, the results of the missile strike are shown, but it is difficult to understand anything from them.

 

[Soldier30]

Ukrainian media reported that Russia used the RS-26 Rubezh intercontinental ballistic missile to strike the Yuzhmash plant in Dnepropetrovsk. This has not been officially confirmed. There is almost no information about the Russian RS-26 Rubezh missile system. The missile's range is about 3,500 km and the missile's weight is about 50 tons. The RS-26 Rubezh missile's warhead presumably has 6 separating warheads. The guidance system is autonomous and inertial. The video shows a truly unusual missile strike on Ukraine. The attack resembles something similar to strikes by separating warheads of an intercontinental ballistic missile. The missile's warhead was uncharged. There are media versions that conventional Iranian or North Korean missiles were used.

 

[Woland]

More news regarding Western economic support for Ukraine .

Joe Biden's American Government will forgive $4.7 Billion usd in macroeconomic loans for Ukraine. The loans were part of $9.4 Billion usd in loans that USA issued to Ukraine as part of the spring supplemental aid package for Ukraine. Up to 50% of the loan was forgiveable per the terms of the agreement and Biden's government will forgive the maximum amount, creating increased financial flexibility for the Ukrainian Government.

https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-administrations-moves-forgive-47-billion-loans-ukraine-2024-11-20/

Meanwhile, Denmark has committed $2.3 Billion usd worth if military support for Ukraine in 2025. The aid will consist of armor, small arms, technology and training for the Ukrainian military.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1859204149092495612

The forgiving of $4.7 billion was actually quite interesting. Two days ago, Sen Rand Paul (a senator who McCain only accused on the Senate floor, verbatim, of working for the Russians) introduced legislation to block Biden from forgiving these $4.7 billion. He got the needed signatures for it that same day and it went up for a vote yesterday evening. It was defeated 61-37.

Rand Paul frequently introduces legislation that has no chance of passing, this being one such case. Instead, this legislation is meant to be used as ammunition in the future to attack those Senators who voted against it. But we can also use it to draw conclusions about the state of support for Ukraine in the Senate. 10 Republicans voted with all Democrats to defeat it. Sen Marco Rubio, presumably the next secretary of state, votes yes. Sen Thune, who will be the next Senate Majority Leader, also voted yes. That said, Lindsay Graham, who is an ardent supporter of Ukraine in his own way, also voted yes. Representatives have more leeway to vote against their beliefs but in a way that helps them politically if they know a bill will fail regardless of how they vote.

I don't think there will be another Ukraine aid Supplemental in the near future. There's not enough political support for one. However, I suspect Congress will quietly add smaller amounts of Ukraine aid to the NDAA (the National Defense Authorization Act, the overall budget for the American military).