Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[SilverMachine]

Sorry that the Iranians destroyed the thought of what is considered superman in this forum.
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Say for example missiles have hit the Kaan in Turkey, I assure you the government and media would try to hide it if they had a considerable amount of those aircrafts like any country would if they had 5th gens.

Ecept (damn keyboard ain't working, forgive the letter omission) that didn't happen and your sources are shit.

The Iranians hit a bunch of above-ground hangars, and yes, damaged them significantly (albeit repairable, not catastrophic). The 35's aren't stored in those hangars, the usual militantly-salivating down-with-Israel types just took that hangar damage, conflated it with damaged airframes (which I can't even find confirmation on, any airframes even 15's or 16s alike) and ran with the false stories. Israel, like all competent nations, stores their valuable shit like 35s in reinforced protected hangars, some even underground. None of that was hit by Iran.

But yeah, like guys like you are ever going to be persuaded off your course of "I wish it therefore it's true!". Keep dealing in the conspiracies chief, we'll await the weather-controlling theories in good time.

 

[Spitfire9]

Sorry that the Iranians destroyed the thought of what is considered superman in this forum.
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Say for example missiles have hit the Kaan in Turkey, I assure you the government and media would try to hide it if they had a considerable amount of those aircrafts like any country would if they had 5th gens.

If Israel lost assets/air assets in missile attacks, so what? That is to be expected in an attack by a large number of missiles. What is the point you are trying to make? That the Israeli air defence system is not impregnable?

I would be curious to know what damage was done but I doubt it will restrict Israel's military capability, limiting what military operations it can undertake. Whatever aircraft losses were suffered, Uncle Sam will replace free of charge anyway (US military aid pays the bill).

 

[blackjack]

Ecept (damn keyboard ain't working, forgive the letter omission) that didn't happen and your sources are shit.

The Iranians hit a bunch of above-ground hangars, and yes, damaged them significantly (albeit repairable, not catastrophic). The 35's aren't stored in those hangars, the usual militantly-salivating down-with-Israel types just took that hangar damage, conflated it with damaged airframes (which I can't even find confirmation on, any airframes even 15's or 16s alike) and ran with the false stories. Israel, like all competent nations, stores their valuable shit like 35s in reinforced protected hangars, some even underground. None of that was hit by Iran.

But yeah, like guys like you are ever going to be persuaded off your course of "I wish it therefore it's true!". Keep dealing in the conspiracies chief, we'll await the weather-controlling theories in good time.

even with some telegram sources showing the satellite images of where F-35s are usually stationed get destroyed you will go with Israeli cope.

If Israel lost assets/air assets in missile attacks, so what? That is to be expected in an attack by a large number of missiles. What is the point you are trying to make? That the Israeli air defence system is not impregnable?

I would be curious to know what damage was done but I doubt it will restrict Israel's military capability, limiting what military operations it can undertake. Whatever aircraft losses were suffered, Uncle Sam will replace free of charge anyway (US military aid pays the bill).

having sufficient number of missiles against another nation that can easily destroy airbases that house 5th gens is an easy solution was the point that everything will eventually lead to a ground war.

 

[SilverMachine]

...Telegram sources. Again, quite a self-own on your part. They're not "usually stationed" there, some Russian incel made that up and you were gullible enough to buy into it. No reputable source has said Israel lost any 35s in the Iranian barrage, for one. Secondly, even if it happened, again it didn't, but if it did as the other guy says, hardly some game-changer. Plenty more where those came from, Iran's clearly laughably overmatched, and if they're really that intent on the fight then they're getting anally ravaged by the IDF.

Again though, your source is some rando dipshit on Telegram declaring that the F-35s are normally stored there, which A) They're not, and B) Even if they were, they would have been moved earlier given the Iranians telegraphed their barrage in advance. You're talking shit.

And to reiterate, Iran's air force is like comprised like 3/4 of tech from the 1970s. Might want to think twice before rattling that saber, champ. All they need is a reason to go all boot-on-ant.

We're also waaaaay off-topic of the Rooskies beating the Ukes.

 

[blackjack]

...Telegram sources. Again, quite a self-own on your part. They're not "usually stationed" there, some Russian incel made that up and you were gullible enough to buy into it. No reputable source has said Israel lost any 35s in the Iranian barrage, for one. Secondly, even if it happened, again it didn't, but if it did as the other guy says, hardly some game-changer. Plenty more where those came from, Iran's clearly laughably overmatched, and if they're really that intent on the fight then they're getting anally ravaged by the IDF.

Again though, your source is some rando dipshit on Telegram declaring that the F-35s are normally stored there, which A) They're not, and B) Even if they were, they would have been moved earlier given the Iranians telegraphed their barrage in advance. You're talking shit.

And to reiterate, Iran's air force is like comprised like 3/4 of tech from the 1970s. Might want to think twice before rattling that saber, champ. All they need is a reason to go all boot-on-ant.

We're also waaaaay off-topic of the Rooskies beating the Ukes.

holy fuck dude there are satellite images out there of the destroyed bunkers. Do you have a Jewish background by any chance which might explain your adamance of you keep telling me trust the western media which many Jewish people have high positions in controlling western media? We are still on topic if this involves the uselessness of aircrafts getting destroyed in airbases against another superpower in a conflict like this war.

 

[SilverMachine]

Destroyed *hangars*. Fuck, man. What aren't you getting? Hangars, not bunkers. Hangars that don't house F-35s.

And it's the Russia V.S. Ukraine thread, Iranian cheerleader gullible guy. Whoa.

 

[blackjack]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1859555264523010118

Destroyed *hangars*. Fuck, man. What aren't you getting? Hangars, not bunkers. Hangars that don't house F-35s.

And it's the Russia V.S. Ukraine thread, Iranian cheerleader gullible guy. Whoa.

Shalom

 

[Spitfire9]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1858531000025837761

Russia is certainly burning through its stockpile of stored weapons. It has sufficient recruits to keep troop levels high but at the cost of burning through its workforce, stripping the economy of labour in order to send it to Ukraine.

I do not think that Ukraine can regain on the battlefield the territory lost during the invasion. That possibility passed IMO when it became apparent that the West was not prepared to allow its 'best' weapons to be donated to Ukraine (eg HIMARS. ATACMS, F-16) or to allow the weapons it did eventually donate to be used to their best effect. Can you imagine North Korea supplying Russia with shells with the condition that they could only be fired at targets in occupied Russia (Kursk)?

The only way Ukraine can prevail militarily IMO would be through strikes on Russian infrastructure and logistics in Russia, starving the Russians on the front of the wherewithal to fight. Not going to happen though IMO.

The better approach to getting Putin to abandon his ambition of controlling Ukraine would have been through damaging the Russian economy. It has been damaged by sanctions but far less than if the sanctions had been enforced seriously eg I think that Azerbaijan imports of machine tools rose 800% yet kept being supplied even though it was obvious their final destination was Russia. Same game with airliner spares, oil production spares etc. Russia's economy could have been brought to its knees if the West had chosen to do that. Could still be.

 

[Iskander]

You're talking shit.

Colleague, are you talking about the moderator?
You know, before you came to our forum, I had a completely different opinion about Australians

 

[Afif]

First military use of intercontinental ballistic missile!

Ukraine claims Russia fired intercontinental ballistic missile at Dnipro | Ukraine | The Guardian

If confirmed, firing of weapon would mark first time missile – which can carry nuclear payload – has been used

amp.theguardian.com

 

[Soldier30]

Ukrainian media published footage of a strike by Ukrainian Storm Shadow cruise missiles, made in England, on a building in the village of Maryino in the Kursk region of Russia. The strike was carried out on buildings on the territory of the estate of the princes Baryatinsky, it is unknown what is there. According to Ukrainian media, there is a communications bunker under the building. The second version of the media is that there were North Korean soldiers in the bunker. Judging by the video, there is no air defense in the area. Or the air defense is not equipped with radar to detect low-flying targets, this happens quite often. Why is this happening, the length of the front line is about 2000 km, the Russian army does not have enough air defense systems to cover all the facilities in Russia, since there are thousands of them. It is worth noting that no air defense can shoot down 100% of targets. Earlier, it was proposed to create an air defense belt around Ukraine, but it is unknown whether this was implemented. The video was filmed by a Ukrainian drone on November 20 and shortened. Judging by the video, about 10 missiles reached their target. At the end, the results of the missile strike are shown, but it is difficult to understand anything from them.

 

[Soldier30]

Ukrainian media reported that Russia used the RS-26 Rubezh intercontinental ballistic missile to strike the Yuzhmash plant in Dnepropetrovsk. This has not been officially confirmed. There is almost no information about the Russian RS-26 Rubezh missile system. The missile's range is about 3,500 km and the missile's weight is about 50 tons. The RS-26 Rubezh missile's warhead presumably has 6 separating warheads. The guidance system is autonomous and inertial. The video shows a truly unusual missile strike on Ukraine. The attack resembles something similar to strikes by separating warheads of an intercontinental ballistic missile. The missile's warhead was uncharged. There are media versions that conventional Iranian or North Korean missiles were used.

 

[Woland]

More news regarding Western economic support for Ukraine .

Joe Biden's American Government will forgive $4.7 Billion usd in macroeconomic loans for Ukraine. The loans were part of $9.4 Billion usd in loans that USA issued to Ukraine as part of the spring supplemental aid package for Ukraine. Up to 50% of the loan was forgiveable per the terms of the agreement and Biden's government will forgive the maximum amount, creating increased financial flexibility for the Ukrainian Government.

https://www.reuters.com/world/biden-administrations-moves-forgive-47-billion-loans-ukraine-2024-11-20/

Meanwhile, Denmark has committed $2.3 Billion usd worth if military support for Ukraine in 2025. The aid will consist of armor, small arms, technology and training for the Ukrainian military.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1859204149092495612

The forgiving of $4.7 billion was actually quite interesting. Two days ago, Sen Rand Paul (a senator who McCain once accused on the Senate floor, verbatim, of working for the Russians) introduced legislation to block Biden from forgiving these $4.7 billion. He got the needed signatures for it that same day and it went up for a vote yesterday evening. It was defeated 61-37.

Rand Paul frequently introduces legislation that has no chance of passing, this being one such case. Instead, this legislation is meant to be used as ammunition in the future to attack those Senators who voted against it. But we can also use it to draw conclusions about the state of support for Ukraine in the Senate. 10 Republicans voted with all Democrats to defeat it. Sen Marco Rubio, presumably the next secretary of state, votes yes. Sen Thune, who will be the next Senate Majority Leader, also voted yes. That said, Lindsay Graham, who is an ardent supporter of Ukraine in his own way, also voted yes. Representatives have more leeway to vote against their beliefs but in a way that helps them politically if they know a bill will fail regardless of how they vote.

I don't think there will be another Ukraine aid Supplemental in the near future. There's not enough political support for one. However, I suspect Congress will quietly add smaller amounts of Ukraine aid to the NDAA (the National Defense Authorization Act, the overall budget for the American military).

 

[Spitfire9]

Russian economy continues on its downhill path

- ruble slides to 1USD = 101.30 RUB right now

Russian Ruble - Quote - Chart - Historical Data - News

The USDRUB increased 0.7038 or 0.70% to 101.3019 on Thursday November 21 from 100.5981 in the previous trading session. Russian Ruble - values, historical data, forecasts and news - updated on November of 2024.

tradingeconomics.com

- inflation is not falling as hoped

Economists see Russian inflation exceeding the central bank's 2024 estimate

Leading Russian economists expect inflation in Russia to exceed the central bank's estimate for this year, increasing the likelihood of another aggressive benchmark interest rate hike next month. Consumer prices rose by 0.37% in the latest week, according to statistical data, pushing the...

uk.finance.yahoo.com

- central bank is forecast to raise bank rate again in December

Economists see Russian inflation exceeding the central bank's 2024 estimate

Leading Russian economists expect inflation in Russia to exceed the central bank's estimate for this year, increasing the likelihood of another aggressive benchmark interest rate hike next month. Consumer prices rose by 0.37% in the latest week, according to statistical data, pushing the...

uk.finance.yahoo.com

The Ukraine military does not threaten to break the Russian army. Putin threatens to break the Russian economy by persisting with the war.

 

[Spitfire9]

Russian economy continues on its downhill path

- ruble slides to 1USD = 101.30 RUB right now

Russian Ruble - Quote - Chart - Historical Data - News

The USDRUB increased 0.7038 or 0.70% to 101.3019 on Thursday November 21 from 100.5981 in the previous trading session. Russian Ruble - values, historical data, forecasts and news - updated on November of 2024.

tradingeconomics.com

- inflation is not falling as hoped
- central bank is forecast to raise bank rate again in December

Economists see Russian inflation exceeding the central bank's 2024 estimate

Leading Russian economists expect inflation in Russia to exceed the central bank's estimate for this year, increasing the likelihood of another aggressive benchmark interest rate hike next month. Consumer prices rose by 0.37% in the latest week, according to statistical data, pushing the...

uk.finance.yahoo.com

The Ukraine military does not threaten to break the Russian army. Putin threatens to break the Russian economy by persisting with the war.

 

[blackjack]

Some economic news. Russia is going to collapse any day now like they will run out of missiles......I can just feel it, trust me bros.

VAZ assembly line

https://iz.ru/1786402/maria-neduk/n...nut-proizvodit-pribory-svazi-novogo-pokolenia

In Russia, the production of unique communication equipment operating on photonic integrated circuits is launched. This is a new type of microelectronics, the speed of which is much higher than that of traditional silicon chips. It opens up good prospects for the creation of devices that are necessary, in particular, for the development of telecommunications networks, for example, 5G base stations and subsequent generations, known as pervasive networks. The development will also help establish quantum communications, experts believe.

Radio Electronics of the New Generation
St. Petersburg Electrotechnical University "LETI" and the Element Group of Companies have announced the launch of production of ultra-high frequency (microwave) generators with unique characteristics based on new elements - photonic integrated circuits (FIS).

The speed of photons in such FIS is equal to the speed of propagation of an electromagnetic wave in the material, in fact, this is the speed of light, the developers said. Therefore, the speed of action, and hence the frequency ranges of such integrated circuits, are much higher than those of electronic ones. At the same time, the requirements for topological standards in production are much lower than in silicon electronics, which makes it possible to obtain a high percentage of yield of suitable crystals at the stage of industrial development of the technology, LETI noted.

"Radiophotonic devices allow you to work with ultra-wideband signals, which provides high speeds and large amounts of transmitted information. This is in demand in promising telecommunication systems, quantum communication systems. In addition to microwave signal generators, we are developing photonic integrated circuits, signal spectrum analyzers, analog-to-digital converters, signal processors," Viktor Tupik, Vice-Rector for Strategic Development of ETU "LETI", told Izvestia.

As the developers explained, the launch of industrial production of radio-electronic products using the principles of photonics opens up good prospects for the creation of new devices. In particular, those necessary for the development of telecommunications networks, for example, 5G base stations and subsequent ones, known as pervasive networks. They will also be in demand for the modernization of system devices in radar, radio navigation and other areas.

As Viktor Tupik explained, combining radio frequency and optical signals in one system makes it possible to detect what cannot be recorded in each range separately.

"Photonic and electronic integrated circuits have a common advantage - they are manufactured using integral, in other words, group technology. That is, not one circuit is processed in one operation, but dozens, hundreds or thousands of chip crystals, their number depends on the size of the single-crystal substrate," the expert said. "Their differences are in the physics of the processes on the basis of which information processing is built.

The line of the first devices will be supplemented with the latest products, including domestic developments of components for quantum communications, such as random signal generators, spectrum analyzers, and others.

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In Russia, the production of unique communication equipment operating on photonic integrated circuits is launched. This is a new type of microelectronics, the speed of which is much higher than that of traditional silicon chips. It opens up good prospects for the creation of devices that are necessary, in particular, for the development of telecommunications networks, for example, 5G base stations and subsequent generations, known as pervasive networks. The development will also help establish quantum communications, experts believe.

Ultra-high-frequency generators based on FIS open up great opportunities for ultra-wideband communication systems, such as future 5G/6G networks and quantum communications, said Vyacheslav Begishev, associate professor of the Department of Probability Theory and Cybersecurity of the Institute of Computer Science and Telecommunications of the RUDN University.

"The production of such devices in Russia will reduce dependence on foreign technologies and create domestic components for 5G/6G networks and more advanced communication systems. The introduction of the FIS will make it possible to increase the production of high-tech products based on domestic production facilities," the specialist said.

Currently, the global market for integrated photonics for use in promising telecommunications systems and quantum communications systems is about $10 billion, while Russia's share in it is only about 2%, according to LETI. His work is mainly focused on the search for technological possibilities for combining microelectronic silicon technology and photonic technologies.

Российские ноутбуки обогнали американские по продажам

Российские производители ноутбуков впервые заняли более 11% рынка, обойдя американские бренды, чья доля в 2023 году снизилась до 10%.

vz.ru

Russian laptops overtake American ones in sales, by Dmitry Zubarev for VZGLYAD. 11.05.2024.

Kommersant: Russian laptops took 11.6% of the market, overtaking American brands with 10%

For the first time, Russian laptop manufacturers took over 11% of the market, overtaking American brands, whose share dropped to 10% in 2023.

According to Kommersant , 2.58 million laptops worth 163.3 billion rubles were sold in Russia from January to mid-October 2023. Sales in monetary terms increased by 12% compared to last year, and in quantitative terms by 6%.

Russian laptops increased their market share to 11.6%, overtaking American brands such as Apple, Dell and HP, whose combined share does not exceed 10% of all devices sold. In 2022, American brands accounted for 30% of the market, while Russian brands accounted for only 4%.

The leading positions in the Russian laptop market are still occupied by Chinese and Taiwanese brands. Asus and Lenovo, in particular, provide 70-72% of sales, remaining the main players in this segment in Russia.

As the Vzglyad newspaper wrote, the ICL group of companies opened a new plant on the territory of the Innopolis special economic zone in the Laishevsky district of Tatarstan, becoming one of the largest enterprises in Russia for surface mounting of electronic printed circuit boards and the production of computing equipment.

Google updated its satellite photos of Zelenograd.

This is the possible 28nm pilot fab being built close to Angstrem.
Construction was expected to be complete in Q4 2024 and this seems to be the case or close to it. I expect it to start operations next year.

 

[MaciekRS]

Lets hope many russian and N Korea high command people was in that bunker that was hit by Storm Shadows.
Can't wait for more.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1859291138970030304

 

[blackjack]

The shaking is real.

Slavyangrad

There are no nuclear missiles at the US missile defense base in Poland – Polish MFA The statement came after the Russian Foreign Ministry named the base a priority target for the Russian Armed Forces. “Considering the nature of the level of threats arising from this type of Western military...

t.me

 

[UkroTurk]

Hazel missile

Oreshnik (missile) - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Relic]

The forgiving of $4.7 billion was actually quite interesting. Two days ago, Sen Rand Paul (a senator who McCain once accused on the Senate floor, verbatim, of working for the Russians) introduced legislation to block Biden from forgiving these $4.7 billion. He got the needed signatures for it that same day and it went up for a vote yesterday evening. It was defeated 61-37.

Rand Paul frequently introduces legislation that has no chance of passing, this being one such case. Instead, this legislation is meant to be used as ammunition in the future to attack those Senators who voted against it. But we can also use it to draw conclusions about the state of support for Ukraine in the Senate. 10 Republicans voted with all Democrats to defeat it. Sen Marco Rubio, presumably the next secretary of state, votes yes. Sen Thune, who will be the next Senate Majority Leader, also voted yes. That said, Lindsay Graham, who is an ardent supporter of Ukraine in his own way, also voted yes. Representatives have more leeway to vote against their beliefs but in a way that helps them politically if they know a bill will fail regardless of how they vote.

I don't think there will be another Ukraine aid Supplemental in the near future. There's not enough political support for one. However, I suspect Congress will quietly add smaller amounts of Ukraine aid to the NDAA (the National Defense Authorization Act, the overall budget for the American military).

Rand Paul is a noted Libertarian and his primary goal in Congress is to limit / cut government spending. He's the definition of a "small government" Republican that believes in budget cuts and fiscal responsibility. I actually don't think he has anything against Ukraine, he simply fights against U.S. spending that is unfunded. It's not a surprise that he tried to stop the Biden Government from forgiving the loan. Paul is a loan wolf of sorts, but he usually gets some support for the legislation he tries to push.

I do agree with you that Congress won't pass another supplemental bill for Ukraine. Not with Republicans in control of the Presidency and both chambers of Congress. That's why's it's so imperative that Biden not waste the remaining $4.05 Billion usd worth of PDA that was authorized in the spring, as well as the $2.5'ish Billion in PDA that exists as product of the Pentagon pricing items incorrectly. They also need to enter into contracts with defense contractors for the remaining $2.1 Billion usd worth of USAI in the coming weeks, to ensure that the Trump Government doesn't let that money go to waste.

As far as funding goes moving forward, the most important money in play is the $20 Billion usd that USA has promised Ukraine as part of the loan from the G7 that will be paid off using the interest garnered from frozen Russian assets passed by the West. Biden's government is working hard to release that money before Trump's team enters office and pulls out of the deal... Why is the release of those funds so important? Trump is a lot of things, but chief among them is the fact that he's a business man. I HIGHLY doubt that he stops Ukraine from purchasing weapons from American manufacturers using the $50 Billion usd worth of fresh cash they'll have. He's not going to cause American defense contractors to lose out on that money, while the European defense contractors get it all. So while the USA won't be giving any more PDA type items from existing inventories, Ukraine will still be able to procure quite a bit of American weaponry and ammunition. The drawback, of course, is that they will no longer get American military kit at the depreciated prices that PDA promotes.

Time for Europe to step up and meet the moment, with help from countries like Canada Japan and Australia who need to continue pitching in. Europe has many of the largest economies in the world. Japan and Canada are both in the top 10, while Australia isn't far behind in the top 15. Even some of the smaller countries such as Norway , Denmark and Finland are rather wealthy and capable of helping economically over the long run. Together, those countries dwarf Russia's spending power, it's simply a matter of political will to fund Ukraine at the level it needs to grind Russia's armor down and stalemate the war into negotiations that are reasonably favorable to Ukraine.