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[what]

Would we drop the Eurofighter deal if the F35 window opens or would we buy them on top of the EF?

 

[IC3M@N FX]

I don't want to talk politics, but we have to.

When Erdogan came, we had a brand new air force. The F-35 project was prepared. If Erdogan hadn't messed things up, the Armenian and Greek lobbies would still be unable to do anything. Let's stop talking about foreign powers, there were foreign powers before Erdogan and there will be foreign powers after him.

There is only one country that helps Turkey and that is Turkey itself. We should stop wanting things or running after things that they don't want to give us.
Stop crying as if he is to blame for everything, be happy that he is pushing the arms industry like no president before him and really investing massively.
If you disagree....Then list what the Presidents/Prime Ministers before Erdogan have achieved in Turkey? We didn't even have our own intelligent munitions, and that is the minimum requirement for a state that has to or wants to defend itself!
It's not Erdogan's fault if Turkey didn't get modern air defense systems like PATRIOTS, we were forced to buy S-400s, we only had Air Defense Systems from the Cold War 70/80s at a very critical time.

The Syrian War back then showed that of the supposed NATO allies, only Spain and its PATRIOTS in Turkey were there continuously, so you don't even need to think about countries like Germany, France, Italy and the USA helping Turkey in an emergency. The Mutual Assistance Treaty is nothing more than a piece of paper to wipe your ass with.

 

[Shtr]

Exact source: https://www.tbmm.gov.tr/Tutanaklar/TutanakGoster/4044

It is long but you can search "40 tane de F-35'i almak için isteğimizi bildirdik." as in the text.

 

[cr33pt3d]

i hope that the 40 f35 'sare not all f35A's.
would be nice to add between 8-10 F35B' to Anadolu. waiting for Mugem to enter service those would serve as learning path for our naval aviators.
let's hope we can secure those engines at the same time. f110 and F404 is more vital than those viper kits. the question remains how the hell we gonna pay all those goodies.what about the Typhoon deal ?

 

[TheInsider]

What will the planes protect then?

This purchase will align with NATO's posture against Russia and Iran.

 

[dBSPL]

Exact source: https://www.tbmm.gov.tr/Tutanaklar/TutanakGoster/4044

It is long but you can search "40 tane de F-35'i almak için isteğimizi bildirdik." as in the text.

It is also understood from the same minutes that there is no positive view on returning to the F-35 purchase without take back the JSF production share. (p.82) In my personal opinion, the main issue to be insisted on is keeping the major maintenance services within the country as in the initial agreement.

 

[uçuyorum]

This purchase will align with NATO's posture against Russia and Iran.

Ok but what will we use the planes to protect if we abandon everything that matters to us

 

[Lool]

Beuatiful news came from the minister of National Defence; Turkey is abandoning the 21 billion dollar deal for F16 modernisation to Viper status and instead going with complete Ozgur modernisation for their F16s fleet. So, what does this mean:

1- as rumored from before, the Ozgur upgrade kit is quite as good as the viper at the very least; if not even better, considering that the Turkish Air Force is quite confident in giving the whole deal to TAI
2- Turkey boosting its own defence industry by giving them more jobs and role to play
3- Turkey saving around 13 billion dollars while obtaining a fleet just as good as the Vipers
4- Being national, means that Turkey doesnt have to release any sensitive info about the new upgraded planes while with the Viper kit, the Americans would know all the ins and outs of the Viper
5- Turkey wont be threatened to stop the upgrading program every now and then by the Americans while stealing Turkish citizens' money just like with the F35 fiasco

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1861475274619068620

 

[I_Love_F16]

There is only one country that helps Turkey and that is Turkey itself. We should stop wanting things or running after things that they don't want to give us.
Stop crying as if he is to blame for everything, be happy that he is pushing the arms industry like no president before him and really investing massively.
If you disagree....Then list what the Presidents/Prime Ministers before Erdogan have achieved in Turkey? We didn't even have our own intelligent munitions, and that is the minimum requirement for a state that has to or wants to defend itself!
It's not Erdogan's fault if Turkey didn't get modern air defense systems like PATRIOTS, we were forced to buy S-400s, we only had Air Defense Systems from the Cold War 70/80s at a very critical time.

The Syrian War back then showed that of the supposed NATO allies, only Spain and its PATRIOTS in Turkey were there continuously, so you don't even need to think about countries like Germany, France, Italy and the USA helping Turkey in an emergency. The Mutual Assistance Treaty is nothing more than a piece of paper to wipe your ass with.

Ah yes, the S-400 was so much needed that it is left taking dust in a storage.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Beuatiful news came from the minister of National Defence; Turkey is abandoning the 21 billion dollar deal for F16 modernisation to Viper status and instead going with complete Ozgur modernisation for their F16s fleet. So, what does this mean:

1- as rumored from before, the Ozgur upgrade kit is quite as good as the viper at the very least; if not even better, considering that the Turkish Air Force is quite confident in giving the whole deal to TAI
2- Turkey boosting its own defence industry by giving them more jobs and role to play
3- Turkey saving around 13 billion dollars while obtaining a fleet just as good as the Vipers
4- Being national, means that Turkey doesnt have to release any sensitive info about the new upgraded planes while with the Viper kit, the Americans would know all the ins and outs of the Viper
5- Turkey wont be threatened to stop the upgrading program every now and then by the Americans while stealing Turkish citizens' money just like with the F35 fiasco

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1861475274619068620

Possibly because of the green light for the Eurofighter deal.