TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[dBSPL]

We have recently provided Pakistan with a lot of strategic know-how and infrastructure consultations, we are looking for ways to work together, and it is undeniable that there has been a serious rapprochement in the military bureaucracies of both sides, not just in words but in concrete terms.

Consultation services for restructuring of the Karachi shipyard, the transfer of some know-how related the Milgem project to help them design, classify and build their own frigates, systems engineering and related works support to the Khalid (Agosta 90B) class submarines to provide them with a number of strategic capabilities, and, I think equally important, the agreement on the joint development of air-to-air missiles through the Gökdoğan infrastructure, were all important agenda items that were openly reported and not even discussed in the Turkish social media as much as they were reported in the Indian media. There are even some detailed issues, but I am not sure which is open source information and which is not, so I don't want to speculate.

In short, the opening of the KAAN program to Pakistan has been expected for years, there is nothing surprising in this. In the meantime, -isolating the issue of political instability in Pakistan-, I have the opinion that in general terms, it is extremely compatible with Turkish interests for Pakistan to have a strong military deterrent.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

I am only worried about the industrial cooperation between Pakistan and China through J-17, there could be an involuntary transfer of technology from TAI KAAN through Chinese espionage.

 

[boredaf]

I am only worried about the industrial cooperation between Pakistan and China through J-17, there could be an involuntary transfer of technology from TAI KAAN through Chinese espionage.

As if they wouldn't give anything they asked for to China, while owing almost all of their debts, their military imports and increasingly more projects to them. Sentimentality only goes so far between countries, especially in modern times.

 

[Turkic]

Can't we send our own personnel to fill the important positions and keep the critical data away from chinese ?

 

[Tabmachine]

I don't expect to see laser weapons on stealth jets, at all. On top of the issue of energy generation for lasers (along with all the sensors and systems on the plane) issue of geometry and direction is the reason I expect it to go out the same way railguns have. If you watch the LM laser pod render video, they don't show it shooting missiles coming at it, they showed it shooting down missiles targeting another plane.

Stealth jets are already a compromise between performance and stealth, we all know this. The laser has to be borderline omnidirectional to be effective in the first place, as you can't ask your enemy to just fire from the directions your laser can defend you. So, you either place enough lenses to cover the jet reasonably well (and remember, you have to do this in 3 dimensions), or, you have to make something that can move and point itself towards the threat once it is detected, which would still require multiple lenses to cover the jet. And you have to do this without compromising stealth too much.

There is also the fact that a laser is an intense heat source, I'm curious whether it would make targeting a stealth jet easier with heat seeking missiles or not. And on the other side of the coin, you have how heat resistant can missiles be made without compromising them too much?

I would agree. The people who run Pakistan are self-serving to the bone. They don't even care about their fellow countrymen why would they care about Turkey?

Turkey has very legitimate interests in Pakistan, but I hope that Turkish decision makers are realistic about what Pakistan is and how they can benefit from it. It's geographical position is useful for Turkeys broader Central Asia strategy, and for other reasons, as well as the nuclear technology. There are good reasons to keep those relations going, especially as the socioeconomic developments in Pakistan continually push it towards a reformation of the system towards something more legitimate.

However, being a naive friend to a ruthless ruling-class of Pakistan, is a recipe for pain. If you want to get a feel for Pakistan read about how they treated the godfather of the nuclear program Abdul Qadeer Khan after he gifted them with the fundamental means to their survival.