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[Ripley]

Eurofighter T1 makes no sense as a rapid response, it has no air-to-ground capabilities. It has no AESA radar, the EW and mission computer is technologically 15-20 years old and will be EoL by 2030 at the latest.

Who do you want to defend yourself against with this Aircraft? Every country around Turkey except now countries like Syria, Armenia & Co... have F-16 Block 60/70, F-15, SU-35/SU-57, modern Rafaele, modern Eurofighter and F-35 fighter planes.

There are virtually no spare parts left for Tranche 1, and upgrading a Eurofighter T1 is technically not possible.
The aircraft is a dead end and a waste of money, even if the government officials for the procurement of fighter aircraft in Turkey were on coke, they would not buy it.

In addition, the procurement of the Eurofighter is also intended to replace the mission profile of the F4 Phantom II Terminator 2020, so it makes no sense to buy an old superiority fighter without multirole capabilities.

Before you do something like that, you might as well get 20-30 used cheap J-17 Block 3 fighter planes from Pakistan and modify them immediately.
From the 30-40 F4 Phantom II Terminator 2020 in stock, 20 of them can still be repaired for the next 5 years and the remaining F4s can be used as spare parts stores.
Until KAAN 2029/30 with Kizilelma, Anka 3 are ready.

I am sure there has been extensive feasibility works on upgrading the T1 to something more useful by RAF. I Imagine that is why the 20+20 deal is on the table. We may be paying a high price, but at least we get them faster.

My understanding is that TurAF is not really enthusiastic about T1 in particular either.
The EF deal, in any form, was mainly a British initiative afaik and started about two years ago.
The British convinced Germany and while doing that as a ‘token of appreciation‘, they blended their T1s into the mix, too.

On the other hand, sweet part of the deal must be the new variant which totally would meet the demands of TurAF as you pointed. But maybe even better than that, their deliveries will reportedly start around 2026 and that is great news. As it is, TurAF is suffering from lack of planes. It’s almost bordering to ‘neglect’.
So, this alone would help them take a short breath. Not a deep sigh of tough.

I’m not sure whether T1 will be upgraded at any level but most probably will be refurbished And that is not so bad either. Because we have zero experience, know-how on this plane. So, they will serve quite well as ‘transition’ bunch.


PS: This comment is a speculation on my part. Please feel free to take it with abundant amount of salt.

 

[TR_123456]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1886507569537310850

“According to the Spanish newspaper @larazon_es , 40 Typhoon jets, the first 20 of which will be second-hand from the UK and the other 20 of which will be newly produced, are expected to enter service with Meteor missiles between 2026 and 2030.”


Not what we hoped for but also it’s a known fact that TurAF definitely need aircraft right now.

If this is true its big bs,the T1 brings nothing new to the table.

 

[Sanchez]

I am sure there has been extensive feasibility works on upgrading the T1 to something more useful by RAF

UK military procurement for the last 40-50 years is always 70% budget cuts and 30% capability increase while lowering numbers. It's the remnant of an empire still trying to find its place in the world. It's the same reason why they almost couldn't send a full carrier group to Falklands in 1982 and had to push Hermes' retirement. Ships that would replace UK's older larger carriers were Invincible Class ships, light carriers whose main arm was not the Harriers but its ASW helicopters. Similar thing happened with the retirement of Invincibles and Harriers, and Royal Navy operated without a carrier for more than a decade. That's why they are also retiring their C-130Js in less than 30 years to replace them with A400s. British Army can hardly deploy a single division currently, and air force is at its lowest number of aircraft since 1910s. Wages are sky high, not enough people sign up to the armed forces and they see no real existing threats, so army continues to shrink. Didn't change much after 2022 either.

T1s could be upgraded. 2 reasons exist to why they aren't. 1: 3 countries(UK, Germany, Italy) decided it would be a better to keep the production lines of EF-2000 open by ordering more aircraft, as at the time they were having issues finding customers. Spanish followed suit. That's why if I'm remembering right all T1s are stuck at Block 5. They simply ordered more aircraft by choosing to either keep the T1s as is or by retiring them in the case of UK. 2: They believed upgrading the 130 or so T1s in various configurations in service with 5 countries(UK, Germany, Italy, Spain, Austria) would simply cost a lot.

British decided to retire their T1s early to cut costs to sell the F-35s to the air force and to keep their production line open by ordering more.

T1 Block 5s to my knowledge are not armed with Meteors. But they will be dirt cheap as Brits will either put them into storage or give them to us if the news is to be believed.

Some number of T1s, maybe majority of them in dual seating versions, could be a nice quick way to train the pilots with a joint squadron. Maybe they are not bought but rented for a few years with an option to buy them later on, weirder things did happen in the past.

I don't think upgrading them to an EF-2000T would be cost effective per se, but this should be thought on. Maybe a smaller upgrade package to bring them to T2 Block 15 level with AIM-120Cs and Meteors, maybe Göktuğ missiles in our own program. BAE did claim in the past this was doable, but British MoD rejected it, instead deciding to retire it.

My understanding is that TurAF is not really enthusiastic about it either.

From what's available on open sources, Turkish pilots that flew against them recently in Qatar and Pakistan in exercises loved them. Loved as in, EF-2000s scrubbed the floor with our F-16s. TurAF is bleeding for jets. Can't get F-35s, can't get Rafales, only option remains is the Typhoon, and it is a damn good jet. I think they saw that they were very behind now capability wise and they are pushing for new aircraft.

If this is true its big bs,the T1 brings nothing new to the table.

EF-2000 is heaps and bounds more capable than anything we have available right now, even in T1. I think it makes sense to get some T1s for combat training. And after they are done with majority of pilot training, they can be relegated to combat roles as well. At it's worst, T1 is a rate of climb monster that can scramble in a minute and be at 35k 2 minutes after that with mach 2 with 4 AIM-120s and 2 AIM-9s. With smart use of resources, it could be used as a nice air superiority/interceptor aircraft with 2 1000 tanks and 6 missiles to counter Greek Rafales and Iranian Su-35s at high altitude.

 

[Ripley]

From what's available on open sources, Turkish pilots that flew against them recently in Qatar and Pakistan in exercises loved them. Loved as in, EF-2000s scrubbed the floor with our F-16s. TurAF is bleeding for jets. Can't get F-35s, can't get Rafales, only option remains is the Typhoon, and it is a damn good jet. I think they saw that they were very behind now capability wise and they are pushing for new aircraft.

When I said “enthusiastic”, I meant T1. Other than that, on social media, there were mostly admiration toward the aircraft by most pundits as well as Turkish authorities.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

@Sanchez you cannot upgrade Eurofighter Tranche 1 to Tranche 2, 3 or 4 - it is technically impossible.
From Tranche 2 onwards the aircraft has been technically (hardware & software), and design technically (airframe) totally revised that the upgrades both physically and software technically are not downward compatible to Tranche 1. In principle, the aircraft with Tranche 2 is almost a different aircraft.
The Eurofighter Tranche 1 is an absolute dead end, you can upgrade it in certain points, e.g. mission computer, maybe also modern EW and new cockpit displays etc. but all this is cosmetic.
It will never get an AESA radar, it will never have air-to-ground capabilities. The Eurofighter consortium simply has no upgrade track for Tranche 1. Again this aircraft is a dead end every cent you invest in this aircraft is like throwing money in the bin in front of everyone and burning it you would embarrass yourself to the bone because you have tied yourself to it.

In the 21st century, whether you buy a used or new fighter aircraft, air-to-air and air-to-ground capabilities, AESA Radar and modern EW are a must.

 

[Hannibal]

@Sanchez you cannot upgrade Eurofighter Tranche 1 to Tranche 2, 3 or 4 - it is technically impossible.
From Tranche 2 onwards the aircraft has been technically (hardware & software), and design technically (airframe) totally revised that the upgrades both physically and software technically are not downward compatible to Tranche 1. In principle, the aircraft with Tranche 2 is almost a different aircraft.
The Eurofighter Tranche 1 is an absolute dead end, you can upgrade it in certain points, e.g. mission computer, maybe also modern EW and new cockpit displays etc. but all this is cosmetic.
It will never get an AESA radar, it will never have air-to-ground capabilities. The Eurofighter consortium simply has no upgrade track for Tranche 1. Again this aircraft is a dead end every cent you invest in this aircraft is like throwing money in the bin in front of everyone and burning it you would embarrass yourself to the bone because you have tied yourself to it.

You can upgrade Tranche 1 to Tranche 3, but I'm not sure Tranche 4.
The UK is retiring because the cost of upgrading a single T1 to a T3 costs £30 million, which is more than a new T4.

This is a stupid buy, I hope France or Germany blocks the deal.
We were part of the F-35 program, and set to receive 100 F-35's and now we are begging for T1 eurofighters..
Erdogan can stick that S-400 up his ass. No wonder the Air Force is against the stupid policies of this government.

 

[uçuyorum]

You can upgrade Tranche 1 to Tranche 3, but I'm not sure Tranche 4.
The UK is retiring because the cost of upgrading a single T1 to a T3 costs £30 million, which is more than a new T4.

This is a stupid buy, I hope France or Germany blocks the deal.
We were part of the F-35 program, and set to receive 100 F-35's and now we are begging for T1 eurofighters..
Erdogan can stick that S-400 up his ass. No wonder the Air Force is against the stupid policies of this government.

A new T4 is less than 30? In what world

 

[Hannibal]

A new T4 is less than 30? In what world

How much will you spend acquiring the aircraft first? Its half used. And that £30 million is only from T1 TO T3, I don't know the cost to upgrade to a further T4. You might as welll just buy new T4s.

 

[Sanchez]

you cannot upgrade Eurofighter Tranche 1 to Tranche 2, 3 or 4 - it is technically impossible

BAE says it is "technically feasible", but maybe possibly not economically viable.

"In written evidence, BAE Systems said: “It is technically feasible to bring a Tranche 1 (T1) aircraft to the standard of a Tranche 2 (T2) or Tranche 3 (T3) aircraft. BAE Systems has previously provided data to the MOD that outlines the scope of structural and avionic modifications that would be required."

BAE Systems: RAF’s Tranche 1 Typhoons could be upgraded and

BAE Systems has told MPs that the RAF’s ageing fleet of Tranche 1 Typhoon FGR4s – which is slated to be phased out of UK military service in 2025 – could be upgraded and retained for operational use

www.key.aero

Other relevant parts:

"BAE Systems has not been asked to provide an assessment of the non-recurring design effort, nor associated costs, to implement such an upgrade. However, Spain has embarked upon a similar programme with some degree of concurrency available through multiple modification lines.

“Other Typhoon partner nations have also reviewed their fleets – Germany has concluded that it will retire its T1 aircraft but will purchase more aircraft under the Quadriga programme in order to maintain combat fleet numbers. Italy is reportedly considering acquiring new Typhoons, in response to the retirement of Tornado, and potentially to replace their Tranche 1 fleet.

“It is worth noting that there are some fundamental differences in the avionic equipment and in some areas of the aircraft structure between the T1 aircraft and those in the RAF’s T2 and T3 fleet,” the firm added."

 

[Saithan]

People should stop being dumb and their rage sabotage ourselves

 

[Yasar_TR]

Apparently Turkey is in a driving position about the deal over the purchase of the Typhoons. According to the below site :

Meanwhile, it has recently been reported that the Typhoon factory in Warton, England, is mostly idle, with no Typhoons being produced - it is not clear if this means the Typhoon could be delivered faster than other comparable fighter jets.

What To Know About Turkey's Eurofighter Typhoon Acquisition

If Germany removes its objections, Turkey is planning to purchase 40 Eurofighter Typhoons.

simpleflying.com

Regarding the Spanish newspaper article here is the translation of it:

Turkey is pushing ahead with modernising its air force by acquiring Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets and Meteor air-to-air missiles, which has sparked tensions with Greece. Ankara plans to acquire 40 Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft in two phases: a first delivery of 20 aircraft from the UK and then 20 new-build aircraft. The first deliveries are expected to begin in 2026 and full operational capability is expected to be achieved by 2030. Eurofighter Typhoons are fourth-generation supersonic aircraft, built by a European consortium including Germany, the UK, Italy and Spain.
https://www.larazon.es/internaciona...za-iran_2025020467a26fb5797cbb00014122e9.html
These aircraft will be equipped with Meteor air-to-air missiles, considered among the most advanced in the world, Army Recogtinion reports. The Meteor missile, developed by MBDA, has a range of over 100 kilometers and uses a "ramjet" engine that allows it to maintain its speed over long distances.The missile features an active radar guidance system that allows it to be guided even if the target performs evasive maneuvers. It can attack targets outside visual range, allowing the launching aircraft to stay at a safe distance. In addition, the Meteor missile can attack multiple targets simultaneously . The inclusion of Meteor missiles in the sale to Turkey was approved by France, and the United Kingdom also lobbied for its approval.

There is nothing that says it is second hand. Wording of the two batches to be delivered sounds a bit suspicious. But it could well be that the Spanish newspaper has got something wrong.

I can’t believe that after our defence minister reiterated many times that we are buying brand new planes, we would go and buy second hand ones.

As mentioned by @Sanchez , it could well be that a number of training aircrafts could be received in early under lease until proper deliveries start.

El “mejor” misil aire-aire del mundo para los cazas Eurofighter turcos alarma a Grecia

Estarán equipados con misiles aire-aire Meteor, que puede atacar múltiples blancos simultáneamente

www.larazon.es

 

[Ahlatshah]

I just wonder, is there a possibility we get those T1s with "naked", like Israelis got theirs F16s from Americans? I am not talking about avionics obviously but if we get the source codes or just have permission to integrate our missiles to T1s, may be our radar, it would be an excellent thing.

Is that even doable? @Yasar_TR @Sanchez

 

[Fuzuli NL]

I can’t believe that after our defence minister reiterated many times that we are buying brand new planes, we would go and buy second hand ones.

Could be due to delivery time and urgency that made them change their stance.

 

[Ripley]

Apparently Turkey is in a driving position about the deal over the purchase of the Typhoons. According to the below site :

Meanwhile, it has recently been reported that the Typhoon factory in Warton, England, is mostly idle, with no Typhoons being produced - it is not clear if this means the Typhoon could be delivered faster than other comparable fighter jets.

What To Know About Turkey's Eurofighter Typhoon Acquisition

If Germany removes its objections, Turkey is planning to purchase 40 Eurofighter Typhoons.

simpleflying.com

Regarding the Spanish newspaper article here is the translation of it:

Turkey is pushing ahead with modernising its air force by acquiring Eurofighter Typhoon fighter jets and Meteor air-to-air missiles, which has sparked tensions with Greece. Ankara plans to acquire 40 Eurofighter Typhoon aircraft in two phases: a first delivery of 20 aircraft from the UK and then 20 new-build aircraft. The first deliveries are expected to begin in 2026 and full operational capability is expected to be achieved by 2030. Eurofighter Typhoons are fourth-generation supersonic aircraft, built by a European consortium including Germany, the UK, Italy and Spain.
https://www.larazon.es/internaciona...za-iran_2025020467a26fb5797cbb00014122e9.html
These aircraft will be equipped with Meteor air-to-air missiles, considered among the most advanced in the world, Army Recogtinion reports. The Meteor missile, developed by MBDA, has a range of over 100 kilometers and uses a "ramjet" engine that allows it to maintain its speed over long distances.The missile features an active radar guidance system that allows it to be guided even if the target performs evasive maneuvers. It can attack targets outside visual range, allowing the launching aircraft to stay at a safe distance. In addition, the Meteor missile can attack multiple targets simultaneously . The inclusion of Meteor missiles in the sale to Turkey was approved by France, and the United Kingdom also lobbied for its approval.

There is nothing that says it is second hand. Wording of the two batches to be delivered sounds a bit suspicious. But it could well be that the Spanish newspaper has got something wrong.

I can’t believe that after our defence minister reiterated many times that we are buying brand new planes, we would go and buy second hand ones.

As mentioned by @Sanchez , it could well be that a number of training aircrafts could be received in early under lease until proper deliveries start.

El “mejor” misil aire-aire del mundo para los cazas Eurofighter turcos alarma a Grecia

Estarán equipados con misiles aire-aire Meteor, que puede atacar múltiples blancos simultáneamente

www.larazon.es

Abi your conclusion that it does not say anything regarding second hand/used is correct.

Yet, from the context, to conclude that first phase of twenty to be “delivered“ would’ve only been acquired from RAF inventory, has some legitimacy because the next batch of twenty described as the new build. As you pointed, if the UK plant is literally dead, then logically getting from RAF inventory is the only UK option.

At any rate though, not a very decent body of news piece altogether. It‘s rather vague in general. Like you said, must be something about the translation

 

[Yasar_TR]

Abi your conclusion that it does not say anything regarding second hand/used is correct.

Yet, from the context, to conclude that first phase of twenty to be “delivered“ would’ve only been acquired from RAF inventory, has some legitimacy because the next batch of twenty described as the new build. As you pointed, if the UK plant is literally dead, then logically getting from RAF inventory is the only UK option.

At any rate though, not a very decent body of news piece altogether. It‘s rather vague in general. Like you said, must be something about the translation

As far as I remember from what UK Unions and press were saying, the factory has got 2 to 3 planes to build before the end of this year when they have no more work in hand. So they need more work to keep the workforce available for tempest. They need work to keep them going until 2030 at least.
Also the UK government is under great pressure by the unions and public to give orders to the factory for new Typhoons. So they can easily part with working T2 planes updated to Meteor capability. Because only the later versions of T2 planes are Meteor capable.

As it stands :

According to the provided figures, the RAF’s Typhoon fleet comprises a total of 137 aircraft, distributed as follows:

• Tranche 1 variants make up 22% of the fleet, totaling 30 aircraft.
• Tranche 2 variants, the largest group, consist of 67 aircraft, representing 49% of the total fleet.
• Tranche 3 variants account for 29% of the fleet, with 40 aircraft.

25 units of the first 30 T1 aircraft, will be scrapped by this March as BAE’s proposed upgrade of them to T2 or T3, have been rejected by the government due to financial constraints.

Also as stated at the end of the second file below :

The MOD also states that the decision to withdraw the Tranche 1 fleet is because its software cannot be updated to Tranche 3-standard in the same way the Tranche 2s can. Due to this, the remaining Tranche 1s have been left out of type-specific upgrades and are not able to employ the full range of weapons that the Tranche 2/3s can – such as MBDA’s Meteor beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM).

Therefore if we are to receive used Typhoons with Meteor missiles, they have to be at least T2. T2s can also be upgraded to T3 to receive Aesa radars.

How BAE plans to keep its Eurofighter Typhoon UK final assembly line alive for GCAP - Breaking Defense

The last two Typhoons on order at the Warton facility are set to be delivered in 2025, meaning BAE needs to find more export customers to keep fresh a workforce it is counting on to make the sixth-gen GCAP fighter in the future.

breakingdefense.com

BAE Systems: RAF’s Tranche 1 Typhoons could be upgraded and

BAE Systems has told MPs that the RAF’s ageing fleet of Tranche 1 Typhoon FGR4s – which is slated to be phased out of UK military service in 2025 – could be upgraded and retained for operational use

www.key.aero

 

[Saithan]

Let's see I am still cautious about the content of the deal. But if we can avoid the T1 and point and pick T2 then that is fine. As long as it's clear we're not getting T1 that has been upgraded to T2.

Maybe that is what we will get, we pay for upgrading T1 to T2 and get those....

 

[Sanchez]

I just wonder, is there a possibility we get those T1s with "naked", like Israelis got theirs F16s from Americans? I am not talking about avionics obviously but if we get the source codes or just have permission to integrate our missiles to T1s, may be our radar, it would be an excellent thing.

Is that even doable? @Yasar_TR @Sanchez

Israelis didn't get any "naked" F-16s. Many if not most of the subsystems on Israeli F-16s, even in F-16I Sufa are American. Some were jointly developed with Israeli companies for Israeli needs, like the CFTs for example, some were put in by Israelis while being built. Israeli Sufas and modernized F-16C/Ds use Israeli electronic warfare systems designed for Israeli needs, but they are very similar to the original American one in most aspects.

We can get British T1s as they are and in time can work on them according to our specifications. It's not clear how much of the aircraft's systems would be open to our tinkering. Typhoon's architecture is different than the aircraft we know and love. As it's owned wholly by 4 countries at the same time, it is said that integrating separate munitions to it is easier and I believe it can be done by the respective countries themselves. But this wasn't ever tested with other customers save for the owners of the program.

Same architecture with it also brings other complexities we would need to go through however. Typhoon is basically alien to us and our companies. Everything on it is different than the F-4s and F-16s we know very closely. I think a full on program like Özgür for the F-16s for the Typhoons would simply take too much time, everything possibly needs to change. It's not even clear if our subsystems(radar, EW, mission computers) can be integrated into the airframe without major structural changes as well, I don't think anyone save for the higher ups in the procurement project know the details of this for now. And whether it would be cost effective to undertake such a large modernization program is another issue. Everything is mathematically possible, but whether it is feasible is another question. And whether consortium owners need to give their okay politically to it is another question. There is no FMS here, T1s are British property. But IP rights still fall to consortium owners. We simply don't know and are not privy to the exact details of ownership of rights of the aircraft. Many of the subsystems for example are made by German companies and are subject to German IP laws.

At this stage, we don't know what is the specifics of the deal are, whether T1s are actually part of a deal, whether T1s will be "rented" for training purposes, whether HvKK plans to incur T1s into service for combat roles, whether they think a modernization is required. We don't know anything. So we should ease on the speculation while still exploring the possibilities. Nothing is clear yet.

Let's see I am still cautious about the content of the deal. But if we can avoid the T1 and point and pick T2 then that is fine. As long as it's clear we're not getting T1 that has been upgraded to T2.

I don't think British T2s are for sale under their own considerations. If there is a deal that can be made here, that's another issue. But currently there are no T2 upgraded T1s in the world. If we go that route, our ex-RAF T1s would be the first in the world. This is another venue that could possibly ve explored. If Turkey accepts to upgrade the T1s to T2 Block 15 level, maybe other users may also be more willing to go that route, as non recurring engineering costs would have been paid by us. This may bring Turkey closer to the consortium. If we want to seek much closer defence cooperation with EU/UK in the near future, forcing our way into EF consortium may be one way to achieve that. This of course brings additional costs we would need to endure.

This is of course just my thinking and another speculation. There's nothing to suggest government and MSB is interested in any of this for now. Maybe we just want airframes as quickly as possible and that's it. But with German president coming to Turkey with main agenda being defence cooperation, it's another possible junction. How real is a possibility of Turkish cooperation on FCAS with recent French senate report also mentioning Turkey and FCAS together?

I do hate not knowing any details, but there's some changes on the horizon, that much seems to be clear.

 

[Yasar_TR]

I don't think British T2s are for sale under their own considerations. If there is a deal that can be made here, that's another issue. But currently there are no T2 upgraded T1s in the world. If we go that route, our ex-RAF T1s would be the first in the world.

If you Investigated a bit more you will find that Spanish T1 planes have been upgraded to T2 with a good number of T3 equipment included as well. So ours wouldn’t be the first. But as stated in the above post, the upgrading of the software to the level of T3 standard on these to allow new electronic radars and Meteor to be integrated is not possible. That is the stumbling block.
T2s can be upgraded to T3 to allow Meteor and Storm Shadow integration. But not T1s. If the planes offered to us will include Meteor, then they have to be T2s that are upgraded to T3 standard.

Airbus delivers first upgraded Tranche 1 Typhoon to Spain

ukdefencejournal.org.uk

 

[Sanchez]

If you Investigated a bit more you will find that Spanish T1 planes have been upgraded to T2 with a good number of T3 equipment included as well. So ours wouldn’t be the first. But as stated in the above post, the upgrading of the software to the level of T3 standard on these to allow new electronic radars and Meteor to be integrated is not possible. That is the stumbling block.
T2s can be upgraded to T3 to allow Meteor and Storm Shadow integration. But not T1s. If the planes offered to us will include Meteor, then they have to be T2s that are upgraded to T3 standard.

Airbus delivers first upgraded Tranche 1 Typhoon to Spain

ukdefencejournal.org.uk

I had no idea. I'm not sure if these additions bring Meteor capability to the aircraft however.

"Unlike the other core nations, Spain decided to upgrade its 17 surviving Tranche 1 aircraft, introducing hardware modifications which support the Operational Flight Program 02 (OFP-02) developed by the Armament and Experimental Logistics Centre (CLAEX), and which provide a full multi-role capability. The upgrade was developed by Airbus and carried out at Getafe, and included the integration of some Tranche 2 and Tranche 3 equipment on the aircraft, including a new Computer Symbol Generator, Digital Video and Voice Recorder, provision for the Litening III Laser Designator Pod and a new Maintenance Data Panel."

Spain commits to 25 new Eurofighters under its Halcon II programme - AGN

In what was the first of a pair of orders for new Eurofighter aircraft from the original partner nations, Spain signed a formal contract for 25 new aircraft under its Halcon II programme on 20 December 2024. Italy would follow suit three days later, and confirmation of a further 20-aircraft...

aerospaceglobalnews.com

From a comment under that UK Defence Journal link:
"The reason T1 can’t fit captor E is to do with the bulk head. This was strengthened in T2 to take the extra weight for cooling required for larger computers. Rebuild cost are said to be up to $30 million per aircraft."
So this is where the 30 million per airframe claim comes from.

 

[Turkic]

It would cost less than a upgrade to restart production in the UK's production line @Yasar_TR abi mentioned. We would get first Typhoons by 2026 and deliveries of first 20 of T4 Typhoons would end by 2027-2028 by a production rate of 1 per month. Deliveries of the second batch 20 Typhoons would take until 2030.

Actually the paragraph above is a question itself because idk much about Typhoon's production. I hope if someone could tell me it's possibility.

I have another question;
I saw a newspaper saying T5 deliveries to Luftwaffe will start by this year. Is it true ? Is it possible for us to get T5's with Captor Mk2 by 2026 if production line in the UK produces for us ?