Breaking News Israel strikes Doha

[Yasar_TR]

One last thing to add:

This is the most important fact.

Turkiye has the second largest army of NATO.
It means we are one of the most important parts of NATO.

If Israel were to attack Türkiye militarily in any form or shape, NATO would have to respond and help Türkiye defend herself. That includes US too. If they don’t then NATO is dead. If article 5 does not become operable then the main reason for the treaty’s purpose is gone.

So forget about Türkiye-Israel military conflict directly!!

 

[IC3M@N FX]

No, Article 5 does not say that an attack on one is an attack on all with military support.
But the support you give as a NATO partner is your business, be it in the form of political support, economic or goods support, or military support. That's why, for example, we hardly ever support the Baltic states with troops or take part in manoeuvres in the northern countries. It is not our conflict with Russia.

If Russia were to attack, we would and must have to help, but the nature of that help would be up to us.
That's why NATO protection is a joke; after all, it doesn't force anyone to provide military assistance.

 

[Yasar_TR]

No, Article 5 does not say that an attack on one is an attack on all with military support.
But the support you give as a NATO partner is your business, be it in the form of political support, economic or goods support, or military support. That's why, for example, we hardly ever support the Baltic states with troops or take part in manoeuvres in the northern countries. It is not our conflict with Russia.

If Russia were to attack, we would and must have to help, but the nature of that help would be up to us.
That's why NATO protection is a joke; after all, it doesn't force anyone to provide military assistance.

What do you mean NO?

https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_110496.htm

Article 5

“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.”

If any country should refrain from helping us then they will know that they will be treated the same should they be attacked.

Help can be in any form deemed necessary by the individual country. But if they are reluctant or refraining from help then they will be treated the same should they be in same position one day.

It is also important that Turkiye has one of the most capable and active armed forces of the organisation that can fight most efficiently. If you don’t help Turkiye then don’t expect help when Russia invades your country.

Also it is important that the member countries won’t be siding with Israel.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

But that's what it comes down to, the support is a must but the type of help is not.

That's why I say Article 5 is a joke, it doesn't compel military assistance.

Article 5 does not automatically oblige NATO members to provide military support.

The key wording is:

“…such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force…”

Why this wording matters​

• “such action as it deems necessary” → each country decides for itself what kind of assistance to provide.
• “including the use of armed force” → military action is only one possible option, not an obligation.

So, the treaty requires action, but it does not prescribe that action must be military.


This means:

• Every member must provide assistance in some form.
• But each state decides what kind of assistance it considers necessary.
• That assistance may include armed force, but it could also be political, logistical, intelligence, financial, or other types of support.

The essence of Article 5 is political and security solidarity: no NATO member will be left to face aggression alone.
In practice, assistance often involves a combination of military, intelligence, and political measures.

 

[TR_123456]

But that's what it comes down to, the support is a must but the type of help is not.

That's why I say Article 5 is a joke, it doesn't compel military assistance.

Article 5 does not automatically oblige NATO members to provide military support.

The key wording is:

Why this wording matters​

• “such action as it deems necessary” → each country decides for itself what kind of assistance to provide.
• “including the use of armed force” → military action is only one possible option, not an obligation.

So, the treaty requires action, but it does not prescribe that action must be military.


This means:

• Every member must provide assistance in some form.
• But each state decides what kind of assistance it considers necessary.
• That assistance may include armed force, but it could also be political, logistical, intelligence, financial, or other types of support.

The essence of Article 5 is political and security solidarity: no NATO member will be left to face aggression alone.
In practice, assistance often involves a combination of military, intelligence, and political measures.

In this case the wording doesnt matter,the reaction matters.
We need a reason to ''end'' NATO and they will provide that reason which is why we need to invoke article 5.
Not that we need their help but to show their true faces their double standards.
Lets be honest,without Türkiye NATO is just a confirmed white christian racist club without any real power(those days are over)

 

[mehmed beg]

The word of these people ain't worth the paper, on which it is written on.
Turkey, hopefully gets 5 more years and if possible in meantime, engage Jewry in protracted war everywhere in the Middle East. Hopefully by then America will be in more trouble.
In any case , I think that it would be Greece which will instigate the trouble. Probably, as soon as they get F 35s and some other Jewery goodies.