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Just out of curiosity: Do you mean the DW is the devil or the traitor they are interviewing? That guy is advocating Turkey's dismissal from Nato, and working hard for US and Israel interests. Such people should not be allowed to enter Turkey.
DW is the devil, Sinan is just a rat. He'll be dying in US.
 

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Only Eastern block countries have voted for help, but the rest of them was against protection :D. We should boost our defence fast.
 

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I hate this reality.

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To many it might have seemed like Germany finally came to their senses, realized the security needs of contemporary geopolitics and taking a position to seek for a new security structure for Europe.
Not for me.

The reality:
The US kicked Europe’s butt, told them they’re on their own, set a fire in their pants.
I wouldn’t want be in a European security structure where Turkey is not an EQUAL partner.
I wouldn’t wanna be in a European security structure where Germany calling the calls, pulling the strings, making decisions and telling Turkey what to do, when to do, where to do to protect their safety.
I wouldn’t want a European security structure where the top dog Germany who harbor, nurture, finance terrorist organizations killing Turkish citizens and financing, supporting tarikat cells in Germany.

The days of lesser partner of NATO who humbly supposed to wait for allies arrival after holding USSR for 48 hours is gone.

However, it won’t go my way. The reality is something else. We’ll agree to their terms in return of some PR concession. That’s it.
As Sanchez put it, I hate this reality!
 

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To many it might have seemed like Germany finally came to their senses, realized the security needs of contemporary geopolitics and taking a position to seek for a new security structure for Europe.
Not for me.

The reality:
The US kicked Europe’s butt, told them they’re on their own, set a fire in their pants.
I wouldn’t want be in a European security structure where Turkey is not an EQUAL partner.
I wouldn’t wanna be in a European security structure where Germany calling the calls, pulling the strings, making decisions and telling Turkey what to do, when to do, where to do to protect their safety.
I wouldn’t want a European security structure where the top dog Germany who harbor, nurture, finance terrorist organizations killing Turkish citizens and financing, supporting tarikat cells in Germany.

The days of lesser partner of NATO who humbly supposed to wait for allies arrival after holding USSR for 48 hours is gone.

However, it won’t go my way. The reality is something else. We’ll agree to their terms in return of some PR concession. That’s it.
As Sanchez put it, I hate this reality!

Its basically the give and take approach. They see us as an enemy, but at the same time they cannot afford to make us a total enemy. Just imagine if we were not NATO, we didnt oppose Russia in the caucases, syria, libya, didnt arm Ukraine with critical drones. Today Russia probably has annexed a few eastern nations. Once that happens the Europeans are going to start selling each other out to appease the Russians as they have done throughout time. If you remember lots of cowardly europeans nations were already writing Ukraine off before the start of the invasion.

Its not in Turkish interests anymore to see a complete defeat of Russia in Ukraine, a complete defeat for Russia would only mean the Europeans start behaving worse to us. Its best the Europeans always have that Russia fear and that fear that Turkiye could side with them one day.

Turkiye is no longer a small nation of 10 million, its big enough to become her own deterrent especially within 10 years or so.
 

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Its basically the give and take approach. They see us as an enemy, but at the same time they cannot afford to make us a total enemy. Just imagine if we were not NATO, we didnt oppose Russia in the caucases, syria, libya, didnt arm Ukraine with critical drones. Today Russia probably has annexed a few eastern nations. Once that happens the Europeans are going to start selling each other out to appease the Russians as they have done throughout time. If you remember lots of cowardly europeans nations were already writing Ukraine off before the start of the invasion.

Its not in Turkish interests anymore to see a complete defeat of Russia in Ukraine, a complete defeat for Russia would only mean the Europeans start behaving worse to us. Its best the Europeans always have that Russia fear and that fear that Turkiye could side with them one day.

Turkiye is no longer a small nation of 10 million, its big enough to become her own deterrent especially within 10 years or so.
Would completely agree if it was not proven on many occasions over decades that “Europe; economically a giant, politically a midget, and militarily a bug”.

Capacity vs capability, competence, determination.
 

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As if Turkey would really rely on Germany and Co. – that's just PR. Turkey will continue to go its own way and keep one foot in every important organisation or alliance – be it NATO, the EU, BRICS+ or the SCO.

At the same time, it will invest heavily in research, development and production – both in the civil and military sectors.

There is a fundamental lack of trust between Turkey and the EU, including Germany – and that goes both ways. So there is no need to worry: the Turkish government is anything but naive. If it were, Turkey would not be where it is today – with an independence rate of around 80–85%.

Don't forget: Germany came to Turkey to do business – not the other way around.
 

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Germany wants something. We want something.

We need customs-union updates at first. Before we sign any concessions to benefit Nazi-Germany.
 
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As if Turkey would really rely on Germany and Co. – that's just PR. Turkey will continue to go its own way and keep one foot in every important organisation or alliance – be it NATO, the EU, BRICS+ or the SCO.

At the same time, it will invest heavily in research, development and production – both in the civil and military sectors.

There is a fundamental lack of trust between Turkey and the EU, including Germany – and that goes both ways. So there is no need to worry: the Turkish government is anything but naive. If it were, Turkey would not be where it is today – with an independence rate of around 80–85%.

Don't forget: Germany came to Turkey to do business – not the other way around.
We cant just end such relations,we know they cant be trusted but we can use that knowledge in our favor in the relations.
 

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Its basically the give and take approach. They see us as an enemy, but at the same time they cannot afford to make us a total enemy. Just imagine if we were not NATO, we didnt oppose Russia in the caucases, syria, libya, didnt arm Ukraine with critical drones. Today Russia probably has annexed a few eastern nations. Once that happens the Europeans are going to start selling each other out to appease the Russians as they have done throughout time. If you remember lots of cowardly europeans nations were already writing Ukraine off before the start of the invasion.

Its not in Turkish interests anymore to see a complete defeat of Russia in Ukraine, a complete defeat for Russia would only mean the Europeans start behaving worse to us. Its best the Europeans always have that Russia fear and that fear that Turkiye could side with them one day.

Turkiye is no longer a small nation of 10 million, its big enough to become her own deterrent especially within 10 years or so.
I dont think Russia will be completely defeated. Russia has vast resources, some technological knowhow, nuclear power, China as kind of an ally, and possibility to maintain war economy long time. So Europe will need us sometime. Merz is indeed right that we are in a new geopolitical phase. We should use this to our advantage. In the future a West friendly administration in Russia can change the situation. But by that time we should get stronger as much as possible.
 

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I dont think Russia will be completely defeated. Russia has vast resources, some technological knowhow, nuclear power, China as kind of an ally, and possibility to maintain war economy long time. So Europe will need us sometime. Merz is indeed right that we are in a new geopolitical phase. We should use this to our advantage. In the future a West friendly administration in Russia can change the situation. But by that time we should get stronger as much as possible.

I just wish Turkiye would play a more anglo-american game. Constantly double deal, constantly undermine allies, make money off all nations and look to benefit in every direction. To play that really dirty, sleazy geopolitical game that certain nations always play against Turkiye. Our location actually would allow us to play a real filthy game. And morally I would argue nothing would be more justified then to play such a game against nations who are actively arming terrorists against you with the intent to balkanise your nation.
 

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All of a sudden Germans started talking about strategic partnerships, friendships, being allies etc… When they saw that Trump is ready to leave them to the Bear they remembered that we are friends and allies, huh?
 

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Politicians are opportunists.
"Bükemediğin eli, öpeceksin"

They are mostly degenerates, especially career politicians. For the most part its where lazy crooks and cheats go for easy money. I would say the overwhelming majority of politicians world wide are probably heading to hell.
 
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Never ever forget
No matter how much Germany tries to portray themselves as allies to the Turks, always remember that they are one of Turkey's biggest enemies

Summary:

Germany has recognized the so-called training certificates issued in the regions controlled by the SDG/YPG, the Syrian branch of the PKK. Supporters of the organization cheered with joy on social media in response to this decision by educational institutions in Saxony.

 

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Never ever forget
No matter how much Germany tries to portray themselves as allies to the Turks, always remember that they are one of Turkey's biggest enemies

Summary:

Germany has recognized the so-called training certificates issued in the regions controlled by the SDG/YPG, the Syrian branch of the PKK. Supporters of the organization cheered with joy on social media in response to this decision by educational institutions in Saxony.


germany has organised, islamist and pkk type organisations against Turkiye for decades. This is what i mean by a sleazy game they play.
 
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