TR Defence Exports & Updates

[Fuzuli NL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2053713185291559169

According to "Berliner Morgenpost" Germany is considering Tayfun Block-4 SRBM/MRBM and Yildirimhan ICBM from Turkey, because Tomahawks can not be delivered by the US.

I call BS

 

[IC3M@N FX]

That is complete nonsense – all ballistic missiles with a range of over 300 km and a payload of over 500 kg are subject to export controls.
Turkey is a member of the MTCR (Missile Technology Control Regime) and is subject to an export ban on this technology.

 

[boredaf]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2053713185291559169

According to "Berliner Morgenpost" Germany is considering Tayfun Block-4 SRBM/MRBM and Yildirimhan ICBM from Turkey, because Tomahawks can not be delivered by the US.

Can someone living in Germany get a copy of today's Die Welt please? This article, and others, quote them as the source of this shite but I can't find it on their website.

Also, I find it a little curious that everyone who normally question our defence industry products suddenly have more trust in a Turkish ICBM's existence than we do. It's almost like it feeds into a certain narrative or something, but I can't quite put my finger on it

 

[Strong AI]

Can someone living in Germany get a copy of today's Die Welt please? This article, and others, quote them as the source of this shite but I can't find it on their website.

Also, I find it a little curious that everyone who normally question our defence industry products suddenly have more trust in a Turkish ICBM's existence than we do. It's almost like it feeds into a certain narrative or something, but I can't quite put my finger on it

I got u fam.

The German federal government is reviewing new defense options following the U.S. cancellation of the deployment of Tomahawk cruise missiles. Under discussion are a joint venture for production in Germany and the purchase of Turkish missiles with a range of up to 6,000 kilometers.

Nach US-Absage: Bundesregierung erwägt Joint-Venture zur Tomahawk-Produktion in Deutschland - Video - WELT

Die Bundesregierung prüft nach der US-Absage zur Stationierung von Tomahawk-Marschflugkörpern neue Verteidigungsoptionen. Im Gespräch sind ein Joint-Venture zur Produktion in Deutschland und der Kauf türkischer Raketen mit bis zu 6000 Kilometern Reichweite.

www.welt.de

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

Can someone living in Germany get a copy of today's Die Welt please? This article, and others, quote them as the source of this shite but I can't find it on their website.

Also, I find it a little curious that everyone who normally question our defence industry products suddenly have more trust in a Turkish ICBM's existence than we do. It's almost like it feeds into a certain narrative or something, but I can't quite put my finger on it

The Article sounds for me like a total Nonsense, I don't believe it by myself ! My Intention was just to show how Idiotic the Media are and which zero Knowledge they have when it come to military Matters.


BTW:

Here is the Source:

Nach Absage der USA: Berlin prüft Optionen für Beschaffung von Tomahawks

Weil die USA keine Mittelstreckenraketen in Deutschland stationieren wollen, soll Ersatz her. Dabei könnte auch die Türkei eine Rolle spielen.

www.morgenpost.de

 

[Khagan1923]

German would rather get occupied than buy anything from Turkey, that article is complete nonsense. Also why would we export a cutting edge SRBM/MRBM to a country that to this day still employs embargos on the Turkish defense industry and no not vetoing the EF purchase does not make up for the embargo of the last 20-30 years.

Never forget how they vetoed the purchase of 1000 Leopard 2A6TR because they could be "used against the pkk".
They blocked the sale of engines for Altay.
Blocked Turkey for years from purchasing EF.
Delayed the shipment of parts for Reis-Class by months if not years.
Blocked the purchase of modernization kits for L2A4 and even shells.

Tried everything to sabotage the Turkish Defense Industry and TSK.

Nonsense.

There are three countries that don't deserve even to purchase a bullet from Turkey. 1. Germany 2. Belgium 3.France.

 

[boredaf]

I got u fam.

The German federal government is reviewing new defense options following the U.S. cancellation of the deployment of Tomahawk cruise missiles. Under discussion are a joint venture for production in Germany and the purchase of Turkish missiles with a range of up to 6,000 kilometers.

Nach US-Absage: Bundesregierung erwägt Joint-Venture zur Tomahawk-Produktion in Deutschland - Video - WELT

Die Bundesregierung prüft nach der US-Absage zur Stationierung von Tomahawk-Marschflugkörpern neue Verteidigungsoptionen. Im Gespräch sind ein Joint-Venture zur Produktion in Deutschland und der Kauf türkischer Raketen mit bis zu 6000 Kilometern Reichweite.

www.welt.de

Bloody hell, that's fucking it? I was expecting an article or something, that's barely a passing remark. It counts more as AfD bait than actual information.

 

[Pokemonte13]

the only part that is true is that the US stoped plans to deploy typhon systems to germany as political punishment. Germany wanted to buy the system itself too but delivery time is so long that US owned systems were meant as bridge until that. The only alternative to the tomahawk is either the french Mdcn which has a shorter range than the tomahawk and is currently only available on ships and gezgin which will be operational in 2-3 years with land based launchers but also shorter range than tomahawk.
There are currently european programs for deep strike missions from simple cruise missiles to hypersonic glide vehicles but these systems are more than a decade away from becoming available. We could sell them land based gezgin similar to kara atmaca within this decade decade but as some one from germany they would rather kill themselves than do business with us.

 

[Melkör]

Isn’t Matilda in town with an entourage of like 400 to do business?

 

[Huelague]

An ICBM is not a ‘big thing’, if you reached some necessary technologies like fuel, range (long range), multi-stage drive systems..aso. I think we reached this with Cenk missile.

 

[2033]

Also, I find it a little curious that everyone who normally question our defence industry products suddenly have more trust in a Turkish ICBM's existence than we do. It's almost like it feeds into a certain narrative or something, but I can't quite put my finger on it

I can’t make sense of this either. Even the Greeks were completely convinced that we had built the ICBM. When I told them it was just propaganda, they wouldn’t believe me.

 

[Sanchez]

I got u fam.

The German federal government is reviewing new defense options following the U.S. cancellation of the deployment of Tomahawk cruise missiles. Under discussion are a joint venture for production in Germany and the purchase of Turkish missiles with a range of up to 6,000 kilometers.

Nach US-Absage: Bundesregierung erwägt Joint-Venture zur Tomahawk-Produktion in Deutschland - Video - WELT

Die Bundesregierung prüft nach der US-Absage zur Stationierung von Tomahawk-Marschflugkörpern neue Verteidigungsoptionen. Im Gespräch sind ein Joint-Venture zur Produktion in Deutschland und der Kauf türkischer Raketen mit bis zu 6000 Kilometern Reichweite.

www.welt.de

Welt publishing this and then DW TR quoting it is.. interesting..

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MEE claims Kuwait is looking at Akıncı and Hisar AD; Qatar and Saudi signed for Korkut and Iraq is also interested in the system in large numbers.

Gulf turns to Turkey for air defence systems amid Iran threats

As drone warfare reshape the region and US suppliers remain backlogged, Gulf states move to secure Turkish military products

www.middleeasteye.net

"Kuwaiti Defense Minister Sheikh Abdullah Ali Abdullah Al Sabah signed a government-to-government sales protocol to procure military systems from major Turkish defence companies, including Aselsan, Havelsan, drone maker Baykar, armoured vehicle producer Otokar and Yonca Shipyard."

"Two Turkish defence industry insiders said Saudi Arabia and Qatar were also particularly interested in anti-drone systems produced by Turkish companies.

The insiders said both countries signed contracts to purchase the Korkut 100/25 air defence system. Produced by Aselsan, the system is designed to counter first-person-view and tethered drones using 25-millimetre smart ammunition.

They added that Saudi Arabia also intends to purchase newly unveiled air defence systems presented at Saha Expo, including laser-guided anti-drone systems that can be mounted on small trucks."

 

[Yasar_TR]

An ICBM is not a ‘big thing’, if you reached some necessary technologies like fuel, range (long range), multi-stage drive systems..aso. I think we reached this with Cenk missile.

I am afraid you are grossly mistaken there.
The difficulty level of building an ICBM is exponentially more difficult than building SRBMs which we have so far been building.
Also it is claimed that Yildirimhan is supposed to be single stage. Currently there are no modern single stage liquid fuelled ICBMs. They are now obsolete as they are dangerous and posess operational difficulties.
Multi stage ICBMs are more complex to build. They need a great deal of specialised engineering know how.

Designing an ICBM is widely considered one of the most difficult engineering challenges, combining advanced propulsion, guidance, materials science, and physics under extreme constraints.
Managing flight characteristics in airless space, then flight for a while to reach apogee followed by re entry in to atmosphere is no easy task.
Guidance accuracy after having travelled 5500+km and releasing decoys in space are not the same as what you encounter with SRBMs.

During reentry the heat management and keeping structural integrity is a problem in its own right.

To reach such long distances, the booster mass may have to be 100 times bigger than the payload. Plus the rocket engines will have to be ultra efficient.
Testing is expensive and difficult due to international pressures.
The whole missile is just very very expensive to develop and manufacture.

 

[Sanchez]

Welt publishing this and then DW TR quoting it is.. interesting..

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MEE claims Kuwait is looking at Akıncı and Hisar AD; Qatar and Saudi signed for Korkut and Iraq is also interested in the system in large numbers.

Gulf turns to Turkey for air defence systems amid Iran threats

As drone warfare reshape the region and US suppliers remain backlogged, Gulf states move to secure Turkish military products

www.middleeasteye.net

"Kuwaiti Defense Minister Sheikh Abdullah Ali Abdullah Al Sabah signed a government-to-government sales protocol to procure military systems from major Turkish defence companies, including Aselsan, Havelsan, drone maker Baykar, armoured vehicle producer Otokar and Yonca Shipyard."

"Two Turkish defence industry insiders said Saudi Arabia and Qatar were also particularly interested in anti-drone systems produced by Turkish companies.

The insiders said both countries signed contracts to purchase the Korkut 100/25 air defence system. Produced by Aselsan, the system is designed to counter first-person-view and tethered drones using 25-millimetre smart ammunition.

They added that Saudi Arabia also intends to purchase newly unveiled air defence systems presented at Saha Expo, including laser-guided anti-drone systems that can be mounted on small trucks."

And Akbaba increases the bet.
"Ragıp Soylu’s report emphasizes that Kuwait wants to purchase Hisar AD systems from Turkey. Kuwait is interested not only in Hisar but also in the Steel Dome system as a whole.

Qatar and Saudi Arabia have taken delivery of Korkut systems. They have also taken delivery of a different system whose name has not been disclosed. Qatar and Saudi Arabia are interested in all components of the Steel Dome system.

The report also mentions that Iraq has acquired 20 Korkut systems. Following the Korkuts, the Hisar systems will also be delivered."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2053867317788873086

 

[Oublious]

ther is a chance that the news from german sites are treu

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2053873956537704469

“There is currently significant potential in Europe, and we believe we will be able to turn this into concrete results very soon.

In Europe right now, there is no established infrastructure for ballistic missiles or cruise missiles, and they lack significant capacity in this area. There are no products either.

That is why I believe the Roketsan-Europe partnership—especially collaborations with countries that have very close ties with us—will be one of our key drivers for growth.”

It seems Roketsan is serious about selling ballistic missiles to Europe

 

[Sanchez]

And Akbaba increases the bet.
"Ragıp Soylu’s report emphasizes that Kuwait wants to purchase Hisar AD systems from Turkey. Kuwait is interested not only in Hisar but also in the Steel Dome system as a whole.

Qatar and Saudi Arabia have taken delivery of Korkut systems. They have also taken delivery of a different system whose name has not been disclosed. Qatar and Saudi Arabia are interested in all components of the Steel Dome system.

The report also mentions that Iraq has acquired 20 Korkut systems. Following the Korkuts, the Hisar systems will also be delivered."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2053867317788873086

Annndd goes all in!

"Türkiye has exported the Siper Air Defense System to an undisclosed country."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2053872152810586410

 

[Huelague]

ther is a chance that the news from german sites are treu

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2053873956537704469

It makes less sense. An unfinished product. A weapon (ICBM) which is not equal to the needs (cruise missile). And now, this was released by the most anti Türkish News magazine "Die Welt", related to Axel Springer Verlag, owned by Mathias Döpfner. One of the Zionist in Germany. His employee are even not allowed to write negative things about Israel. By employment contact.

 

[Oublious]

It makes less. An unfinished product. A weapon (ICBM) which is not equal to the needs (cruise missile). And now, this was released by the most anti Türkish News magazine "Die Welt", related to Axel Springer Verlag, owned by Mathias Döpfner. One of the Zionist in Germany. His employee are even not allowed to write negative things about Israel. By employment contact.

It makes more sens when you say that axel is a zionist, why would he make news about this? Maybe it is not yildirimhan, tayfun missiles or Som missiles. Ther is a talk going on, what it is for now specilations.

 

[Saithan]

Annndd goes all in!

"Türkiye has exported the Siper Air Defense System to an undisclosed country."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2053872152810586410

It could be UAE or KSA. I think the latter is more likely considering the visa free agreement signed a day ago

 

[Huelague]

t makes more sens when you say that axel is a zionist

No.

why would he make news about this? Maybe it is not yildirimhan, tayfun missiles or Som missiles. Ther is a talk going on, what it is for now specilations.

Maybe. But what about Taurus CM? I think, they think more about deep strike capabilities.