TR Navy Naval Programs

[TR_123456]

Not double we need a navy that we can sustain

Yeah,that doesnt work anymore.
We are not just defending our territorial waters and the possible ''enemy'' is not just Greece.
We need more ships because there is more work and more territory to defend.
Not happy about it but it is what it is.

 

[Pokemonte13]

Im not saying we dont need more ships but we need to balance it with other security needs not to mention with our expanding surface fleet we need a larger logistics fleet of tanker and other ships.
by 2035 we will have like
12 Frigates
1(4) destroyers
12-14 Corvettes/Opvs
14-19 FAC
1 LHD
1 AC
and that is just a part the only thing i would add wer 4-6 heavy frigates but other than that its enough.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Yeah,that doesnt work anymore.
We are not just defending our territorial waters and the possible ''enemy'' is not just Greece.
We need more ships because there is more work and more territory to defend.
Not happy about it but it is what it is.

In 1990 the active
personnel number of Turkish Navy was around 46-48000.
Around 35000 of this were conscripts (~73%).

In 2025 total active personnel number was 48600.
Only around (~45%) 21500 was conscripts.
To day there is also a well trained 55000 reserve personnel.

As newer and more modern ships join the navy, less and less ship complement is needed. Increase in professional naval personnel numbers with decreasing ship complements should allow more vessels to be added to the inventory.
But increase In professional naval personnel means higher costs too!

 

[TR_123456]

In 1990 the active
personnel number of Turkish Navy was around 46-48000.
Around 35000 of this were conscripts (~73%).

In 2025 total active personnel number was 48600.
Only around (~45%) 21500 was conscripts.
To day there is also a well trained 55000 reserve personnel.

As newer and more modern ships join the navy, less and less ship complement is needed. Increase in professional naval personnel numbers with decreasing ship complements should allow more vessels to be added to the inventory.
But increase In professional naval personnel means higher costs too!

Yes if you are thinking Turkish territory only,we just need to replace the older with newer ones but since we are going World wide now(Somalia,Libya and other African countries,Qatar.KSA,Kuwait etc) the costs will at least partially be paid by other countries.
Lets say they find oil and/or gas in Somalia,how many ships would we need to protect Somalian territorial waters?
There are at least two Frigates in Libyan territorial waters ''permanently''
Qatar base,how many ships?
I believe Kuwait wants a Turkish Base.
There are also some others to i believe.

 

[dBSPL]

If the KSA-Pakistan-Turkiye tripartite defense mechanism is strongly institutionalized, it is highly likely that we will have a permanent naval task force and perhaps even a command in the North-West Indian Ocean seas extending from the Horn of Africa to the Oman Sea. I say this without including many secondary activities such as Somalia or Qatar etc. When you include all of them, this requirement gains an even stronger grounds.

Although I dont know what precautions are being taken to avoid personnel bottlenecks, the navy definitely signals that it is preparing for expansion. At least, this impression is formed when we follow the industrial footprints of infrastructure preparation. In my view, naval platform transformation is not limited to integrating high-endurance high-seakeeping assets like destroyers. The entire naval architecture is shifting, beginning with the littoral and territorial defense layers. The Hisar-class OPVs and the Multi-Purpose Attack Craft -the latter pushing corvette-scale dimensions- epitomize this doctrine. While tailored for regional endurance, their high situational awareness and integration into the shared tactical picture allow them to absorb the operational workload of larger frigates within territorial waters and the EEZ.

Im not saying we dont need more ships but we need to balance it with other security needs not to mention with our expanding surface fleet we need a larger logistics fleet of tanker and other ships.
by 2035 we will have like
12 Frigates
1(4) destroyers
12-14 Corvettes/Opvs
14-19 FAC
1 LHD
1 AC
and that is just a part the only thing i would add wer 4-6 heavy frigates but other than that its enough.

In twitter, defense enthusiasts focus more on the main combatants, but we will try something in territorial waters too!

4 Ada-class ASW corvettes
10 Hisar OPVs with fast arming infrastructure
10 MPAC and 6/9 Kılıç-class fast attack craft
16 Tuzla class boats
In addition to the 6 Aydın MCMVs, a certain number of 2400-ton YMAGs will be built, which can take some secondary duties with their very powerful systems and robotic capabilities.
6 P-72 and 6 P-235 maritime patrol aircrafts
A large number of unmanned aerial vehicles and an inventory of USVs that will probably reach even higher numbers with many types.

 

[Anmdt]

In 1990 the active
personnel number of Turkish Navy was around 46-48000.
Around 35000 of this were conscripts (~73%).

In 2025 total active personnel number was 48600.
Only around (~45%) 21500 was conscripts.
To day there is also a well trained 55000 reserve personnel.

As newer and more modern ships join the navy, less and less ship complement is needed. Increase in professional naval personnel numbers with decreasing ship complements should allow more vessels to be added to the inventory.
But increase In professional naval personnel means higher costs too!

Our current task definition on the personnel makes it slightly impossible to reduce the number of crew. We still have distinct separation between the operators (petty officers) and the commandeers (lieutenant) while modern navies are combining these duties on lieutenants, and calling them "operator officers". This separation with the rotation crew easily yields on 80+ personnel for a corvette.

Also solely looking at the numbers is deceptive for deduction on the matter. It often lies on the trained personnel, mostly the top command of the ship that keeps the entire crew and the ship combat-ready. All in all, we are feeling challenges on this matters as recently more trained people - both on petty officers and officers are leaving the Navy. New ones are recruited, but it takes half a decade to train them properly on the battle stations.

Briefly on a ship we have four groups of personnel:
-Lieutenants
-Petty Officers (Operator)
-Petty Officers (Management)
-Conscripts

 

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First New Type FAC, much cleaner photo

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