TR Navy Naval Programs

[Pokemonte13]

I wonder what our MLU for our ada is going to look like with all the different offerings we have.
And does anyone have any idea what the status of our OPV construction is?

 

[Sanchez]

I wonder what our MLU for our ada is going to look like with all the different offerings we have.

There have been no official public confirmation that a capability increase will be sought after for the MLU. It probably will be, but nothing so far.

 

[Sanchez]

Just saw Evren Mercan quote this cover of Navy Magazine issue 570 from 1997.

Headline reads "Towards the Open Seas". It's always been clear that navy staff envisioned a true blue water navy. Give them budget and political backing, and they will want carriers and more power projection capabilities. This has remained unchanged since at least 60s.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2072749381896344043

 

[Sanchez]

First New Type FAC, much cleaner photo

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2086709130039832832

 

[UkroTurk]

Is the design FAC- Fast Attack Craft or MPAC -Multipurpose Attack Craft?

 

[Yasar_TR]

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Is the design FAC- Fast Attack Craft or MPAC -Multipurpose Attack Craft?
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Bro, this ship is something between a full fledged FAC and a light Corvette. It is 700 tons and 68 metres long. It has a top speed of 39 knots and cruising speed of 20 knots which gives it 800 nautical miles range. Due to it’s length, weight and design it is more sea worthy than other FACs it will be replacing ( Ruzgar and Dogan)
it doesn’t have propellers but has 4 diesel engines that power the water jets to propel the ship.
The design has Low Radar Cross Section. Exhaust is under water line to cut IR signature.
it has Atmaca AShM and Denizhan main gun as major armaments. It will probably have a 20 missile Goksur PDMS for self protection and a number of remote controlled automatic guns.
36 months after first steel cutting it will be launched in to sea. And after acceptance tests the serial production for the rest of initial requirement of a total of 10 boats will start.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Bro, this ship is something between a full fledged FAC and a light Corvette. It is 700 tons and 68 metres long. It has a top speed of 39 knots and cruising speed of 20 knots which gives it 800 nautical miles range. Due to it’s length, weight and design it is more sea worthy than other FACs it will be replacing ( Ruzgar and Dogan)
it doesn’t have propellers but has 4 diesel engines that power the water jets to propel the ship.
The design has Low Radar Cross Section. Exhaust is under water line to cut IR signature.
it has Atmaca AShM and Denizhan main gun as major armaments. It will probably have a 20 missile Goksur PDMS for self protection and a number of remote controlled automatic guns.
36 months after first steel cutting it will be launched in to sea. And after acceptance tests the serial production for the rest of initial requirement of a total of 10 boats will start.

The rest of FACs will be build in groups or one by one ? which will take so many years like Reis class submarine ?

 

[Yasar_TR]

The rest of FACs will be build in groups or one by one ? which will take so many years like Reis class submarine ?

If we are to go by recent system of manufacturing ships; provided there is an urgency for their production, a major company will give a general tender for all ships and the production will be divided between 2 or 3 shipyards. (Similar to İstif Class Frigates and Hisar class OPVs)
Expected to cost minimum 180 but realistically upwards of 200 million dollars each depending on weapon loads, financially it is not a small programme.

Reis Class was a cock up by the Germans to start with. The first ship of the class they built for the Greek Navy, was tilting to one side each time it surfaced. Finally our engineers sorted out the problem by extending the hull. Then due to a somewhat secret embargo the parts needed from Germany flowed in at a very slow rate. That delayed the production. If memory serves the German company was heavily penalised for the delays they caused.

 

[UkroTurk]

Bro, this ship is something between a full fledged FAC and a light Corvette. It is 700 tons and 68 metres long. It has a top speed of 39 knots and cruising speed of 20 knots which gives it 800 nautical miles range. Due to it’s length, weight and design it is more sea worthy than other FACs it will be replacing ( Ruzgar and Dogan)
it doesn’t have propellers but has 4 diesel engines that power the water jets to propel the ship.
The design has Low Radar Cross Section. Exhaust is under water line to cut IR signature.
it has Atmaca AShM and Denizhan main gun as major armaments. It will probably have a 20 missile Goksur PDMS for self protection and a number of remote controlled automatic guns.
36 months after first steel cutting it will be launched in to sea. And after acceptance tests the serial production for the rest of initial requirement of a total of 10 boats will start.

Thanks but you might have misunderstood my question. There were two different design and two proposal. Above I shared 2 images of 2 different designs (FAC and MPAC)

Construction more looks like FAC design rather than MPAC.

 

[Sanchez]

Thanks but you might have misunderstood my question. There were two different design and two proposal. Above I shared 2 images of 2 different designs (FAC and MPAC)

Construction more looks like FAC design rather than MPAC.

Final FAC design is a further upgraded MPAC. MPAC was one of the runner ups for the FAC tender, but it is not the final version. And to be honest looks like the design changed somewhat again looking at the bridge and the mast. Ship that's being built more like a mini Istif more than the released FAC design.

The rest of FACs will be build in groups or one by one ? which will take so many years like Reis class submarine ?

Not even getting into the delays on Reis production, submarines by their nature are very slow to build. It's very normal all over the world for submarines to be built in 4+ usually 5-6 years from keel laying to delivery.

First ship of TTHB(Turkish FAC) is a prototype of sorts like we had with Heybeliada and Istanbul. We will probably see a block order of ships once the first ship goes further along building phase. As the first ship is being built by STM with TAIS, we might see a 3+3 order like we saw with Istifs but unlike frigates, our FACs don't need that kind of fast replacement schedule.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Thanks but you might have misunderstood my question. There were two different design and two proposal. Above I shared 2 images of 2 different designs (FAC and MPAC)

Construction more looks like FAC design rather than MPAC.

There is no information anywhere that this is a MPAC. It is classed as FAC. But it is definitely bigger than originally thought. Its flat under belly and shorter draught allows it to be operational at shallow water. Due to its design and size it will be able to fire weapons in seas with a wave height of 2 to 4 metres.
Forget the pictures shared in media outlets. None correctly shows what is being built. It is still a work in progress as it is a prototype. That is why it is going to take 36 months to build before launch. Its design is centred around being stealthy. It has less complement than even the smaller 62 m Kılıç Class boats it will operate together with. (36 staff for TTHB to 45 staff for Kılıç) it is going to be 6 metres longer, 150 tons heavier and nearly a metre wider than Kılıç Class.

 

[Pokemonte13]

TF2000

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2087134140898447379

 

[Bogeyman]

TF-2000 Air Defense Destroyer.

8,300 ton displacement, 4x8 tactical VLS cell + 8x8 attack VLS cell.

The Navy is requesting 15-ton class general purpose helicopters for its TF-2000 air defense destroyer.

https://cdn.karakok.net/file/ff6bba77f6254f879f9869770acb6e4a?ext=pdf

https://cdn.asfat.com.tr/catalogs/ASFAT%20TF-2000%20Air%20Defense%20Destroyer%20(1).pdf

 

[Yasar_TR]

The Navy is requesting 15-ton class general purpose helicopters for its TF-2000 air defense destroyer.

Bro, correct me if I am wrong, but I think you may have misunderstood. They are requesting a platform at the back of the ship that is capable of handling up to 15 ton helicopters on TF2000 destroyer. Not necessarily a 15 ton helicopter. An 8-10 ton Seahawk equivalent helicopter should suffice.
In fact if memory serves, there is room for 2 helicopters in the hangar.

One thing that is interesting in that file you share is the 4000 ton AS-3600 frigates programme. Do you know anything more than what is there?

 

[Bogeyman]

Bro, correct me if I am wrong, but I think you may have misunderstood. They are requesting a platform at the back of the ship that is capable of handling up to 15 ton helicopters on TF2000 destroyer. Not necessarily a 15 ton helicopter. An 8-10 ton Seahawk equivalent helicopter should suffice.
In fact if memory serves, there is room for 2 helicopters in the hangar.

One thing that is interesting in that file you share is the 4000 ton AS-3600 frigates programme. Do you know anything more than what is there?

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I just shared what I saw in the catalog/website.

 

[Sanchez]

Bro, correct me if I am wrong, but I think you may have misunderstood. They are requesting a platform at the back of the ship that is capable of handling up to 15 ton helicopters on TF2000 destroyer. Not necessarily a 15 ton helicopter. An 8-10 ton Seahawk equivalent helicopter should suffice.
In fact if memory serves, there is room for 2 helicopters in the hangar.

One thing that is interesting in that file you share is the 4000 ton AS-3600 frigates programme. Do you know anything more than what is there?

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I don't think we should read too much into this design.

 

[Anmdt]

I don't think we should read too much into this design.

In simple terms: AS3600 = Garbage project run* by ASFAT continuing to make someone rich.

*Also without a clear definition or involvement from the Navy.

 

[Zafer]

We need more of everything considering possible overseas deployment, we need double the numbers.
Our shipyards' capacity has grown but still needs to grow more.

 

[Pokemonte13]

We need more of everything considering possible overseas deployment, we need double the numbers.
Our shipyards' capacity has grown but still needs to grow more.

Not double we need a navy that we can sustain