The source of allegations is here
Investment of $ 1 Billion for Bayraktar TB-2
I guess the deal is being signed with Ethiopia.
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The source of allegations is here
Investment of $ 1 Billion for Bayraktar TB-2
I guess the deal is being signed with Ethiopia.
Are they preparing for a war? I know they had some dome issues with Egypt.
Investment of $ 1 Billion for Bayraktar TB-2
I guess the deal is being signed with Ethiopia.
While acquisition of drones would be extremely beneficial for every African country dealing with insurgency I don't see what purpose will TB-2 serve against the Egyptian Air Force. I also didn't understand in what way this investment will come. Will they buy drones? If so I don't think this is very rational decision but for sure beneficial for Turkey's economy.Egypt threatens to strike their dam every other day and they also have some low-key interior conflict with one of their minorities.
Egypt is an irrational actor, I wouldnt be surprised if they also directly threatend with a land war against ethiopia. These are the same people who gave away their waters to Greece and their islands to Saudi arabia.While acquisition of drones would be extremely beneficial for every African country dealing with insurgency I don't see what purpose will TB-2 serve against the Egyptian Air Force. I also didn't understand in what way this investment will come. Will they buy drones? If so I don't think this is very rational decision but for sure beneficial for Turkey's economy.
PD-155 engine's are too big for TB2's if I recall correctly. From my understanding Baykar started work on TB3 using PD-170 engine's. It is believed that TB3 will be bigger or have a bigger payload. Along with that as well, the engine's for TB2 are off the shelf engine's and embargoe's don't really effect the production of TB2's, as they can find alternatives to this engine: https://www.trthaber.com/haber/gundem/gokyuzunun-yeni-oyuncusu-yerli-motorla-gelecek-527093.htmlEngine has been recently avaliable? ANKA has been running on PD155-170 for years
E/O has been recently avaliable? Herons has been flying with Aselflir-300 for years
GNSS-GPS has been recently avaliable? What ANKA has been flying with when TB2s were jammed in Syria?
I am still telling this, no need to be biased towards a company, i am on equal basis for all and i evaluate them based on the jobs they have achieved.
BMC hasn't achieved anything in IFV - ACVs (wheeled or tracked) while FNSS did a lot.
So by being biased, people come to a point to ignore success of FNSS?
I don't really have any other words for this.
$ 1 mn is dirt cheap but I think it should be more like around $ 1.75 mn. And there is the cost of control stations where still more than 500 pieces of planes is a hefty proposition. These planes can be opportunistically used to bomb and rocket many things. Also Akıncı is in the pipeline and can be added to the mix along with a variety of munitions possibly bringing down the plane count to around two hundreds. But the video says $ 1.7bn (Canadian?).There's no way they've bought $1bn worth of Bayraktar drones. if its around $1 million per drone, that would equal to 1000 drones. They haven't even produced a total of 500 TB2s, let alone an order for 1000.........
PG-115 has been around longer than PD-155, for domestic market they could use this one. Moreover, PG-115 can be used in place of Rotax engines on Herons, then definitely can be used directly in place of Baykar's.PD-155 engine's are too big for TB2's if I recall correctly. From my understanding Baykar started work on TB3 using PD-170 engine's. It is believed that TB3 will be bigger or have a bigger payload. Along with that as well, the engine's for TB2 are off the shelf engine's and embargoe's don't really effect the production of TB2's, as they can find alternatives to this engine: https://www.trthaber.com/haber/gundem/gokyuzunun-yeni-oyuncusu-yerli-motorla-gelecek-527093.html
Aselflir-300 was too heavy for TB. Same with CATS. There was quite a few kg's difference between CATS and Wescam, and I believe I read that the CATS didn't have as strong a camera as that of Wescam. But regardless of this, after the Canadian embargo on Wescam, they decided to implement CATS on TB2's:The reason for choosing Wescam over CATS was for pragmatic and performance reasons, I am sure this was based on the needs and requests of the armed forces.
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the difference in Kg and performance might not have been between CATS and Wescam, but Wescam and another indigous solution, probably Aslelfir. CATS serial production started in October of 2020: https://www.trthaber.com/haber/bili...milli-gozunde-seri-uretim-mujdesi-521257.html
According to the youtube video, integration of CATS to TB2's in the same period. The video itself is from 6'th of November 2020.
So, when CATS became available they started work on implementing it into the TB2's quite fast.
Exactly right, FNSS, BMC, Otokar, Baykar, TAI, Sarsilmaz, Kale, etc. These are all strategic companies. Even Durmazlar (a non defence industry company) is a company with strategic value. In other words Turkey cannot afford to lose any of these companies. Or at the very least the know-how they carry. So name changes, fusions, take-overs etc are all tolerable. But losing these companies entirely, the state won't allow. For instance when BMC went broke, the state stept in, in order to guarantee its survival and sold the company in an auction in order to be privately owned.
Russia accuses Israel of selling drone technology to Turkey
Russia accuses Israel of selling drone technology to Turkey
Turkey is actively using Bayraktar TB series of combat drones in Libya. The technology for the drones was acquired from Israel, writes the Russian news agency FAN, noting that Israel, being surrounded by unfriendly Arab states, reached out to Turkey, the only ally in the region. The article...uawire.org
"...the drones of the Bayraktar family are very similar to the drones manufactured in Israel. This includes the appearance..."Russia accuses Israel of selling drone technology to Turkey
Russia accuses Israel of selling drone technology to Turkey
Turkey is actively using Bayraktar TB series of combat drones in Libya. The technology for the drones was acquired from Israel, writes the Russian news agency FAN, noting that Israel, being surrounded by unfriendly Arab states, reached out to Turkey, the only ally in the region. The article...uawire.org
The PG-115 engine is a classified engine, as far as I know. I personally never came across any information regarding this engine. The speculation surrounding this engine was about it potentially being used in a Harop type of suicide drone. As to why it wasn't used on TB2, I do not know. I am sure they had their reasons. The Rotax engine is an engine that hasn't got a strategical value in the sense that it isn't hard to find an alternative to it. If PG-115 engine hasn't been used, then I am sure SSB had a reason for it. We also got to consider that there are loads of information behind the scenes that we aren't aware of. A lot of variables and moving parts, starting from engine performance and whether TEI has issue's with it or not, the needs and demands of the military and TB2 itself, the unit costs per engine, are only a couple of things off the top of my head. And usually there are many other variables that can't be foreseen before they actually occur and based on all this dicisions are made.PG-115 has been around longer than PD-155, for domestic market they could use this one. Moreover, PG-115 can be used in place of Rotax engines on Herons, then definitely can be used directly in place of Baykar's.
There are no excuses i think:
CATS wasn't the only and the only , neither the first E/O, there was aselflir 300 etc. Yes heavy but it existed.
Moreover let us not forget Baykar is regional service center&authorized seller of the Wescam products. This information was on their website not long time ago if they haven't removed it.
Now imagine the tantrum if Otokar or FNSS or any other private company , ofcourse except BMC, was being authorized sellers/distributor for MTU products.
The problem is, not every company is being treated the same, they are all strategical but some are more strategical thus even common people and officials defend them at all costs.
Pragmatic and performance reasons: now i really wonder if these reasons will be reconsidered if BMCs engines performs worse than exported ones, or they will be defended to the end against other competitors for sake of being domestic.