Indonesia Indonesian Navy, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Laut (TNI-AL)

[Djketoprak]

I believe it won't use KCR as the base design, but completely new design. Its the writer's opinion about the KCR design.

Rumor said nope, it said by PAL unfortunately

 

[NEKO]

U214 - Reiss class for Interim.
...
Tapi gak semudah kayak nyari mobil seken yang masih gress keluaran beberapa tahun lalu.

 

[Umigami]

U214 - Reiss class for Interim.
...
Tapi gak semudah kayak nyari mobil seken yang masih gress keluaran beberapa tahun lalu.

What? Second hand? They're not even born yet...

 

[Parry Brima]

U214 - Reiss class for Interim.
...
Tapi gak semudah kayak nyari mobil seken yang masih gress keluaran beberapa tahun lalu.

Both Tupi class (Brazilian one) and Heroine class (South African) are only 1400-1500 tons. Janes article said > 1800 tons. So what you're suggesting (Reis class) is probably the one that makes sense the most.

 

[Anmdt]

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WT* is larger KCR ?

Told before, those companies will not magically get a frigate emerged.
Neither FIGES, nor MTG is a designer like Fincantieri, DCNS. They are solution partners for engineering.
And i am 100% PT PAL is at no place to casually design a frigate from scratch. Best bet they will use the know-how and base design of Iver and modify it, which makes a lot of sense since Indonesia is getting IP rights of the design according to the deal signed with OMT, however i still doubt if the project is actually going on.

 

[NEKO]

makes sense the most

What if its 1400-1500 tons but plus X tons after upgrade?

 

[Anmdt]

Both Tupi class (Brazilian one) and Heroine class (South African) are only 1400-1500 tons. Janes article said > 1800 tons. So what you're suggesting (Reis class) is probably the one that makes sense the most.

Why Turkey should sell Reis Class just after they are getting into service, especially at the second hand price?
First sub is to be delivered next year, with 1 following on each year.

 

[Anmdt]

What if its 1400-1500 tons but plus X tons after upgrade?

Or simply submerged tonnage.

 

[NEKO]

What? Second hand? They're not even born yet...

Ya berarti ntar tinggal balik nama doang.

 

[NEKO]

Why Turkey should sell Reis Class just after they are getting into service, especially at the second hand price?
First sub is to be delivered next year, with 1 following on each year.

Or just like how Egypt get the FREMM that is intended for Italy, but that can't be considered second hand sub like what is being reported by janes.

 

[Madokafc]

It is not surprising that PT PAL wanted its own design, considering that its President director was the founder of PT Terafulk design. He also has experience working in a shipyard in Japan.

Hope he doesn't mess up the project

 

[Madokafc]

The number of hull only one, that's what i can said. This is coup de Grace at ultimate level....

 

[NEKO]

The number of hull only one, that's what i can said. This is coup de Grace at ultimate level....

1 hull for $600 mil? And its a second hand right?

Hmm...

Dont tell me that it really is LA class wkwk

 

[Madokafc]

1 hull for $600 mil?

Hmm...

And seems Naval Group left the game if they can't up the offer

 

[Parry Brima]

The number of hull only one, that's what i can said. This is coup de Grace at ultimate level....

$600 mil for only one hull?

It's gotta be SURYO submarine!

 

[NEKO]

$600 mil for only one hull?

It's gotta be SURYO submarine!

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Yes, SURYO

If it is really Suryo I wonder if it will be bundled with new submarine. Maybe the talk also touch this subject, so the overall money involved would be more than $600 mil. Maybe they will use Italian approach in FREMM deal.

 

[Madokafc]

The Alleman can't up the offer for their most advanced Submarine type, the Gaul offer is not advance much since last meeting, meanwhile our Hikikomori brother seems lurking in the dark waiting for chance to expressing his love

 

[Umigami]

The number of hull only one, that's what i can said. This is coup de Grace at ultimate level....

Are you talking about second hand sub right?
Coup de grace for Daewoo ?

 

[Umigami]

The Alleman can't up the offer for their most advanced Submarine type, the Gaul offer is not advance much since last meeting, meanwhile our Hikikomori brother seems lurking in the dark waiting for chance to expressing his love

 

[lastlarst]

Hope he doesn't mess up the project

It makes more sense and is simpler if PT PAL cooperates with MHI to produce a Mogami class than designing IH from scratch. The Mogami class is still new and the shipyards are still active in cooperating, and politically it has been supported even by the leaders of the two countries.