Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

[Lordimperator]

That pic isn't working for me.

What? Do u prefer 2d?

 

[NEKO]

Did their attempt to impress the client successful?

I believe so.

What? Do u prefer 2d?

I think what he meant is the picture didn't show up.

 

[Gundala]

As far as i know they doesn't offer eagle in the first place what they offer is falcon and hornet / growler that s way MOD hire a consultan to loby cmiiw

Then why the air force said that we will get F15EX starting from this year? Rafale is also included.

Indonesia Lirik Jet Tempur F-15 EX dan Dassault Rafale, Ini Kecanggihannya

Jet tempur F-15EX merupakan produk dari perusahaan dirgantara Boeing. Sementara Rafale dari perusahaan dirgantara Dassault di Prancis.

news.detik.com

This is where we got confuse sometimes. The first so called "green light" was published in the local media when Plt.Min of Def Christopper Miller was in talk with our Def Mins on Dec 2020. And the news was being quoted from inside Kemenhan, not from Mr.Miller him self (afaik).

https://www.liputan6.com/bisnis/read/4429880/resmi-indonesia-dapat-jet-tempur-f-15-dan-f-18-dari-as

Keep in mind that this guy was in Thrumph administration, off course the new ellected US Govt will reevaluate the decission again. The news headline sometimes can be misleading. Now we (08) confidence that we are going to get F15EX, he and his team are the one who know for sure how the deal progress, the statement from KASAU refered to it. The talk is still in progress include the lobbyist hired by min def, I assume thats why no DSCA announcement yet. So formally there is no "green light" statement has come from Biden administration afaik.

There are alot of things need to be shorten out, the talk isnt just about the platform. For example: F15EX being an air supperiority & "bomb truck" need bomb/munitions in order to do her job, this is one area that need alot of assurance from both side. Are we allowed to get the advance munitions? If not, do we have the permission to integrate Europe base advanced munitions? etc. I am pretty sure our AU want the Eagle munitions type we allowed to have to be no less then what we have now with the Sukhoi fleet.

Lets keep the hope high but be prepare for the impact of bantingan

Edit: Wording/Spell

 

[Umigami]

What? Do u prefer 2d?

Well....

Spoiler: She's talking about Eurofighter ofcourse...

She's Swiss but still the same Alphine beauty, right?

 

[NEKO]

Well....

Spoiler: She's talking about Eurofighter ofcourse...

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She's Swiss but still the same Alphine beauty, right?

Wadafuq? New naruto series?

 

[flogger]

Bo

Boeing themselves said this.

A Boeing spokeswoman could not confirm the planned purchase, but said “we remain confident in the F-15EX’s suitability for Indonesia, given its unmatched range, payload, and performance.”

Indonesia Could Be First Non-USAF Customer for F-15EX | Air & Space Forces Magazine

Indonesia plans to buy the Boeing F-15EX, expecting to take delivery by 2022, according to press reports from Jakarta.

www.airforcemag.com

Unless the US rejected us to get F-15EX and we're lobbying them to give us F-15QA (Qatar version) instead.

Boeing is but biden administrition ..??

 

[Umigami]

Bo

Boeing is but biden administrition ..??

They are working on it.

If this is true, seems like AU pretty confident They will get them.

 

[trishna_amrta]

Well it's depend. if the contex is f 15 its just how Qatari get the eagle swiftly beside the funding thing that what MoD trying to achive ass well as the Qatari did.

Boeing no longer build F-15 variant other than the F-15EX

Boeing themselves said this.

A Boeing spokeswoman could not confirm the planned purchase, but said “we remain confident in the F-15EX’s suitability for Indonesia, given its unmatched range, payload, and performance.”

Indonesia Could Be First Non-USAF Customer for F-15EX | Air & Space Forces Magazine

Indonesia plans to buy the Boeing F-15EX, expecting to take delivery by 2022, according to press reports from Jakarta.

www.airforcemag.com

Unless the US rejected us to get F-15EX and we're lobbying them to give us F-15QA (Qatar version) instead.

Obviously Boeing as for profit and pro free market enterprise will be happy to whatever the paying customer is choosing, however it will not sound right if with they give priority of foreign customer while USAAF themselves has only received a handful

Whenever there's argument between members about which fighter that we should purchase there's literally nobody mention Eurofighters.

Maybe you haven't noticed that I've mentioned the Typhoon quite often

This is where we got confuse sometimes. The first so called "green light" was published in the local media when Plt.Min of Def Christopper Miller was in talk with our Def Mins on Dec 2020. And the news was being quoted from inside Kemenhan, not from Mr.Miller him self (afaik).

https://www.liputan6.com/bisnis/read/4429880/resmi-indonesia-dapat-jet-tempur-f-15-dan-f-18-dari-as

Local mediaYou might as well believe that the Kardashian boobs are real natural boobs.
Some local media even took cue from our discussion in this forum

Are we allowed to get the advance munitions? If not, do we have the permission to integrate Europe base advanced munitions? etc. I am pretty sure our AU want the Eagle munitions type we allowed to have to be no less then what we have now with the Sukhoi fleet.

What advance ordnance you're referring here? As I recall, TNI-AU already operate AMRAMM C-7

Arming the F-15EX with anything other than from Raytheon just doesn't make any sense.

 

[Umigami]

Boeing no longer build F-15 variant other than the F-15EX


Obviously Boeing as for profit and pro free market enterprise will be happy to whatever the paying customer is choosing, however it will not sound right if with they give priority of foreign customer while USAAF themselves has only received a handful


Maybe you haven't noticed that I've mentioned the Typhoon quite often


Local mediaYou might as well believe that the Kardashian boobs are real natural boobs.
Some local media even took cue from our discussion in this forum


What advance ordnance you're referring here? As I recall, TNI-AU already operate AMRAMM C-7

Arming the F-15EX with anything other than from Raytheon just doesn't make any sense.

Please describe what make a F15 an EX ?

Can we get heavier guided bomb (Mk84 based) ?

 

[trishna_amrta]

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ELI, IWJ, RHS, RHF oalach wartawan Indon makin aneh aja gaya bahasa alay nya

 

[trishna_amrta]

Please describe what make a F15 an EX ?

It's the entire package, including the airframe. Even a 1mm of differences can be considered as a new aircraft

 

[Umigami]

It's the entire package, including the airframe. Even a 1mm of differences can be considered as a new aircraft

DEWWS is a must then.

 

[Parry Brima]

Boeing no longer build F-15 variant other than the F-15EX

Boeing still have backlog of F-15QA (Qatar variant).

Btw, that Israeli's Elbit System anti-jamming system might be for F-15QA as well (note: the article only suggesting, not confirming)

Boeing To Integrate Israeli-made Anti-jamming Systems To Qatari F-15QA

Boeing said on Sunday it will integrate an anti-jamming system developed by Israel's Elbit Systems into a fleet of F-15 fighter jets to be sold to an unnamed customer. It is known that Boeing is yet to fulfil delivery of 36 F-15QA, which is an indication that anti-jamming technology to be fitted...

www.globaldefensecorp.com

 

[Gundala]

What advance ordnance you're referring here? As I recall, TNI-AU already operate AMRAMM C-7

Arming the F-15EX with anything other than from Raytheon just doesn't make any sense.

Actually it does make sense since we going to operate Rafale which Im pretty sure will carry EU made missiles, it will make logistic easier isnt it? Eagle is meant to replace Sukhoi in the future, now if we look the missiles list of our Sukhoi it shows how they going to be use or their role in AU book. AShM, ARM, ASM, must be avaiable for the Eagle since we know the role wouldnt just be air supperiority. If we got denied using latest harpoon/AGM-88 HARM/LRASM/etc we gotta be sure we can install/integrate EU base missiles to replace the missing missiles type/role. We dont want our Eagle to only carry AMRAMM C & Maverick to fo her duty do we?

 

[flogger]

They are working on it.

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If this is true, seems like AU pretty confident They will get them.

Yes they are and at very best they could i belive

 

[flogger]

Boeing no longer build F-15 variant other than the F-15EX


Obviously Boeing as for profit and pro free market enterprise will be happy to whatever the paying customer is choosing, however it will not sound right if with they give priority of foreign customer while USAAF themselves has only received a handful


Maybe you haven't noticed that I've mentioned the Typhoon quite often


Local mediaYou might as well believe that the Kardashian boobs are real natural boobs.
Some local media even took cue from our discussion in this forum


What advance ordnance you're referring here? As I recall, TNI-AU already operate AMRAMM C-7

Arming the F-15EX with anything other than from Raytheon just doesn't make any sense.

Its more less what i am try to said its why they ( US ) didn't Offer F-15 for the first place lot of new sensitif core tech high tech that they implement on EX also they itended F-15 for the Need of USAF first.
It's US ( Indo MoD ) who see this as " oppurtunety " after get rejected to procure lithning II and they just offer viper instead while boeing is offering their Super hornet blok 3 , it Us who deter to ask the eagle's . In my personal opinion its not imposible to get F15 but for EX version i realy doubt it. But again i belive they (MoD) trying their best. Well its enugh from me , allow me to my comfort zone at Hura Percoyo Yen Hura Ono Photone regard

 

[flogger]

Actually it does make sense since we going to operate Rafale which Im pretty sure will carry EU made missiles, it will make logistic easier isnt it? Eagle is meant to replace Sukhoi in the future, now if we look the missiles list of our Sukhoi it shows how they going to be use or their role in AU book. AShM, ARM, ASM, must be avaiable for the Eagle since we know the role wouldnt just be air supperiority. If we got denied using latest harpoon/AGM-88 HARM/LRASM/etc we gotta be sure we can install/integrate EU base missiles to replace the missing missiles type/role. We dont want our Eagle to only carry AMRAMM C & Maverick to fo her duty do we?

well there are F15 J on the market and they is more than enugh or capable to just carry maverick and amraam i supposed

 

[trishna_amrta]

Its more less what i am try to said its why they ( US ) didn't Offer F-15 for the first place lot of new sensitif core tech high tech that they implement on EX also they itended F-15 for the Need of USAF first.
It's US ( Indo MoD ) who see this as " oppurtunety " after get rejected to procure lithning II and they just offer viper instead while boeing is offering their Super hornet blok 3 , it Us who deter to ask the eagle's . In my personal opinion its not imposible to get F15 but for EX version i realy doubt it. But again i belive they (MoD) trying their best. Well its enugh from me , allow me to my comfort zone at Hura Percoyo Yen Hura Ono Photone regard

Curiously, judging from Boeing official videos on both plane, they brand the F-15EX as a new plane while branding the Super Hornet block 3 as a major upgrade. I'm guessing Boeing real intention is offering the F-15EX for export market, while the Super Hornet block 3 is intended for USN, thus their use of "major upgrade" nomenclature to make it easier to sell to the USN & US Congress

 

[flogger]

Curiously, judging from Boeing official videos on both plane, they brand the F-15EX as a new plane while branding the Super Hornet block 3 as a major upgrade. I'm guessing Boeing real intention is offering the F-15EX for export market, while the Super Hornet block 3 is intended for USN, thus their use of "major upgrade" nomenclature to make it easier to sell to the USN & US Congress

It just a kind of marketing language

 

[Umigami]

Interestingly, USAF EX doesn't have any missile approach warning censor installed. Even the "old" advance Eagle export version like SG have them.