Bro do u really think Turkiye will buy new f16 from USA ? Because i dont think so , Perhaps will just buy convertion kits and some weapons but others will be converted to Özgur f16.
Agreed. Even if they lose 10:1 to true 5th generation fighters, just the upkeep and operating costs being lower is a major selling point. And just think, would we use F-35s if we had them to do mundane peacetime tasks? I very much doubt so. 4th gen fighters will continue to be used well into the 2040s in my estimation.
Depends on the region and mission profile. A small country with no proper air force.or air defence won't be an issue. F35 was meant to be the workhorse in a world where F16 could no longer operate due to SAM systems especially around Russia and areas where they have influence, even Syria potentially. F35 ended up being too expensive and long range SAM systems aren't in the inventory of every country yet.
I am just throwing it out there that they gave, "average" RCS value to the F-16C, while giving "frontal" value of the F-22No offense AbicimI could not find any info about B40/50 on internet.
This page of global security has two different charts : F16 with 5mRCS is A block
Edit:I have very bad internet connection, on hurry I wrote BS.
So we don't know RCS of modern Viper.
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Mate, please stop using these glorified chatbots. Their answers will be what you can also find on the Internet at best, made up bullshit that sounds autorotative at worst. It is nothing but the laziest way of repeating the information available at its best iteration for now.
There is a saying in Turkish;
All of this and not using them in situations when we don't have air superiority, basically use them to their strengths and not to their weaknesses.
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See, I agree mostly but I think people overplay the 4.5th gen. If a country has 5th gen available they'll opt for that. Taking the US as the prime example, the navy procured one final measly batch of super hornets basically to use up the budget and to appease Boeing.
That is simply not true. US might not be buying new F-16s but they are upgrading all of their available ones instead of retiring them, on top of buying new F-15s and F-18s. China is still producing and upgrading their J-10s and J-16s. France is still buying Rafales. UK, Germany, Spain still buying/upgrading their Eurofighters. Russia is still making SU-35s. Israel just recently bought F-15s.
You actually changed my opinion on that. Not %100 though, because as boredaf said, upgraded 4th gen fighters are still the main body of the (larger) air forces around the world, and that's not going to change in 15 years. I think the maintenance and production costs should go down more for 5th gen planes to be the mainstay of large militaries. US is the obvious exemption because they throw obscene amounts of money at this issue.
Air national guard is part of the AF. The first EX were literally given to Oregon national guard lmao. ANG does not exist as its own service, and many would argue is an unnecessary service in and of itself, which is why it's trying to argue for its existence.
Mate, all of this just further proves that countries do not automatically prefer 5th gen fighters even if they have easy access to them. Nobody is upgrading their 4th gen, or rolling out new updated 4.5th gen version just to sit them out somewhere. They'll be used for the foreseeable future, not head to head against 5th gen fighters but in missions that do not require them.
F-15EX made sense because ANG is already the biggest user of F-15C and EX is a suitable replacement for the type and the role. It also made great sense because development costs for it were already paid for by gulf countries.
