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See, I agree mostly but I think people overplay the 4.5th gen. If a country has 5th gen available they'll opt for that. Taking the US as the prime example, the navy procured one final measly batch of super hornets basically to use up the budget and to appease Boeing.

The F15EX exists solely to keep the air national guard alive. It's more expensive than a goddamn F35. That's unacceptable. Even its supposed mission as a missile truck is mostly just internet bullshit, since it's never getting those proposed racks that would allow it to carry 20 AMRAAMs (not that that made sense. the jet would have been a complete pig.) It exists so that ANG can argue for a reason for its budget (and existence lmao), and representatives of each state love federal funds. It never even went through proper procurement. No bids or anything. It just one day appeared on the ANG list. Doesn't that just scream like a healthy procurement process to you?

The US no longer even purchases F16s of any kind. All newer US purchases of older fighters are inherently political procurements.

The world itself is becoming a contested environment leaving less room for older jets to move and with continued manufacturing of 5th gen planes, they're becoming cheaper and cheaper. The supposed advantage of 4.5th gens which is less cost of ownership is quickly becoming a thing of the past.

While I don't disagree with the bigger point you're making about importance of 4.5 gen vs 5th gen, the F-15EX is actually the worst example you could have come up with to support your point.

The F-15EX exists to carry extremely large ASAT and ALBM payloads as well as air-launched hypersonic missiles. It can fly faster than any other fighter (mach 2.8+) and reach higher altitudes too. It is able to go supersonic in a vertical climb. These give it an unsurpassed ability to launch ASAT interceptors that can reach higher orbits.

It is a plane that can perform roles which no fifth gen aircraft can.
 

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According to this news piece, LM official in charge has stated that subject to immediate signing of the order, the 40 V 70 F16 planes for TurAF will start to be delivered in mid 2027.

So it is vital that Tusas sets up a production line for F16, with the approval of LM to expedite deliveries , not just for TurAF but for other customers too, as there is a queue for 122 planes at the moment in their production line which is trying to achieve 4 planes per month target.
 

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According to this news piece, LM official in charge has stated that subject to immediate signing of the order, the 40 V 70 F16 planes for TurAF will start to be delivered in mid 2027.

So it is vital that Tusas sets up a production line for F16, with the approval of LM to expedite deliveries , not just for TurAF but for other customers too, as there is a queue for 122 planes at the moment in their production line which is trying to achieve 4 planes per month target.
I would be very, very shocked (dare I say even flabbergasted) if we don't get that production line for ourselves and other LM orders as well. They already inspected TAI facilities in 2022, already commented on TAI's expertise as well in one of the defence industry fairs iirc, and we already requested to produce our own planes. It would be beneficial for both sides. I bet everything will be signed no later than end of this summer.
 

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