TR F-16 Özgür | Hürkuş - Fighter Trainer Aircraft Projects

[hawk21]

See, I agree mostly but I think people overplay the 4.5th gen. If a country has 5th gen available they'll opt for that. Taking the US as the prime example, the navy procured one final measly batch of super hornets basically to use up the budget and to appease Boeing.

The F15EX exists solely to keep the air national guard alive. It's more expensive than a goddamn F35. That's unacceptable. Even its supposed mission as a missile truck is mostly just internet bullshit, since it's never getting those proposed racks that would allow it to carry 20 AMRAAMs (not that that made sense. the jet would have been a complete pig.) It exists so that ANG can argue for a reason for its budget (and existence lmao), and representatives of each state love federal funds. It never even went through proper procurement. No bids or anything. It just one day appeared on the ANG list. Doesn't that just scream like a healthy procurement process to you?

The US no longer even purchases F16s of any kind. All newer US purchases of older fighters are inherently political procurements.

The world itself is becoming a contested environment leaving less room for older jets to move and with continued manufacturing of 5th gen planes, they're becoming cheaper and cheaper. The supposed advantage of 4.5th gens which is less cost of ownership is quickly becoming a thing of the past.

While I don't disagree with the bigger point you're making about importance of 4.5 gen vs 5th gen, the F-15EX is actually the worst example you could have come up with to support your point.

The F-15EX exists to carry extremely large ASAT and ALBM payloads as well as air-launched hypersonic missiles. It can fly faster than any other fighter (mach 2.8+) and reach higher altitudes too. It is able to go supersonic in a vertical climb. These give it an unsurpassed ability to launch ASAT interceptors that can reach higher orbits.

It is a plane that can perform roles which no fifth gen aircraft can.

 

[Strong AI]

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F-16 ÖZGÜR 15.000 feet

ASELSAN

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National Ammunition LGK-82 LGK-84
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Direct hit

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1791812780992991424

 

[Yasar_TR]

Türkiye’nin F-16 Blok 70 uçaklarını teslim alacağı tarih açıklandı! O tarihte envantere girecek…

Türk Hava Kuvvetleri, sözleşmenin bir an önce imzalanması şartıyla ilk F-16 Viper'ı 2027 yılı ortasında teslim alacak

sanayigazetesi.com.tr

According to this news piece, LM official in charge has stated that subject to immediate signing of the order, the 40 V 70 F16 planes for TurAF will start to be delivered in mid 2027.

So it is vital that Tusas sets up a production line for F16, with the approval of LM to expedite deliveries , not just for TurAF but for other customers too, as there is a queue for 122 planes at the moment in their production line which is trying to achieve 4 planes per month target.

 

[boredaf]

Türkiye’nin F-16 Blok 70 uçaklarını teslim alacağı tarih açıklandı! O tarihte envantere girecek…

Türk Hava Kuvvetleri, sözleşmenin bir an önce imzalanması şartıyla ilk F-16 Viper'ı 2027 yılı ortasında teslim alacak

sanayigazetesi.com.tr

According to this news piece, LM official in charge has stated that subject to immediate signing of the order, the 40 V 70 F16 planes for TurAF will start to be delivered in mid 2027.

So it is vital that Tusas sets up a production line for F16, with the approval of LM to expedite deliveries , not just for TurAF but for other customers too, as there is a queue for 122 planes at the moment in their production line which is trying to achieve 4 planes per month target.

I would be very, very shocked (dare I say even flabbergasted) if we don't get that production line for ourselves and other LM orders as well. They already inspected TAI facilities in 2022, already commented on TAI's expertise as well in one of the defence industry fairs iirc, and we already requested to produce our own planes. It would be beneficial for both sides. I bet everything will be signed no later than end of this summer.

 

[Boykaz]

Murad Aesa radar

 

[Windchime]

So it is vital that Tusas sets up a production line for F16, with the approval of LM to expedite deliveries , not just for TurAF but for other customers too, as there is a queue for 122 planes at the moment in their production line which is trying to achieve 4 planes per month target.

I would be very, very shocked (dare I say even flabbergasted) if we don't get that production line for ourselves and other LM orders as well. They already inspected TAI facilities in 2022, already commented on TAI's expertise as well in one of the defence industry fairs iirc, and we already requested to produce our own planes. It would be beneficial for both sides. I bet everything will be signed no later than end of this summer.

I don't think that LM would be willing to transfer any of their orders to Turkiye when they've only just started to operate this new production line. Also not a good look in terms of South Carolina politics with obvious "they are taking our jobs" rhetoric. Besides, when they reach their production capacity goal soon, which they say they are aiming to achieve in a few years, they wouldn't need any production partner but rather, new orders to keep the plant running.

I would be very surprised if TUSAS gets anything more than the new Turkish order.

 

[boredaf]

I don't think that LM would be willing to transfer any of their orders to Turkiye when they've only just started to operate this new production line. Also not a good look in terms of South Carolina politics with obvious "they are taking our jobs" rhetoric. Besides, when they reach their production capacity goal soon, which they say they are aiming to achieve in a few years, they wouldn't need any production partner but rather, new orders to keep the plant running.

I would be very surprised if TUSAS gets anything more than the new Turkish order.

That's also a possibility, especially since they open the new production line as you pointed out. But, arms race is not slowing down only accelerating and I wouldn't be surprised if LM would want to increase production speed and give smaller orders to us while keeping big ones to themselves.

Pure speculation on my part, of course, you being right makes more sense at the moment.

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1837776103806849088

Ozgur package being considered to upgrade Indonesian F16 fleet

 

[Radonsider]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1837776103806849088

Ozgur package being considered to upgrade Indonesian F16 fleet

A bit off topic but why is that guy so anti-Turkish? He says buying Italian or French is ok but Turkish is "being fully dependent" why?

 

[Khagan1923]

A bit off topic but why is that guy so anti-Turkish? He says buying Italian or French is ok but Turkish is "being fully dependent" why?

I asked the same question a couple months ago. What I gathered just like we have some "eziks" who love to lick western european feet he is pretty much the same, also probably being funded by certain companies (*hust* french *hust*).

Also this option does not exist. For Özgür to be applied to non-Turkish F-16 they would need permission from the US which is impossible as it would hamper its own Viper-Kit sales.

 

[Saithan]

I would go with US assistance for Viper upgrade if possible.

I think it's smart and wise to get some platforms from Türkiye, but unfortunately Air Force jet isn't one of those. Anka, tb2, etc is fine. But I'd fucking make sure I'd have a pending contract for delivery of F-16 V or 70 configurations and 4-8 new ones delivered every 5 years for 25 years or so. I wouldn't want to jeapordize my airdorce by the whims of relations going bad. And nowhere to go to.

 

[mohammadtd]

A bit off topic but why is that guy so anti-Turkish? He says buying Italian or French is ok but Turkish is "being fully dependent" why?

Don't forget Indonesia has sizable number of non-muslim citizen. They have good support from "Western" countries and they would like to see Indonesia become a slave country of Western word. They don't like any Muslim-Muslim cooperation. I have chance of work some of them. There are also some ppl call themselves Muslim and will always against any kind of cooperation between Muslim countries.

 

[Afif]

Don't forget Indonesia has sizable number of non-muslim citizen. They have good support from "Western" countries and they would like to see Indonesia become a slave country of Western word. They don't like any Muslim-Muslim cooperation. I have chance of work some of them. There are also some ppl call themselves Muslim and will always against any kind of cooperation between Muslim countries.

Let's not get carried away with conjecture and stay on topic.

 

[mohammadtd]

Let's not get carried away with conjecture and stay on topic.

I don't want to be carried away. However, unfortunately that's what i concluded from my personal experience.

 

[Umigami]

A bit off topic but why is that guy so anti-Turkish? He says buying Italian or French is ok but Turkish is "being fully dependent" why?

We aren't, just him.

 

[2033]

Since the F16 aircraft still belongs to the US, any modifications to be made on it are subject to the permission of the US. I don't think the US will allow a major modernization. Maybe they may allow Gökdoğan and Bozdoğan missiles and some guidance kits.

 

[Nutuk]

Since the F16 aircraft still belongs to the US, any modifications to be made on it are subject to the permission of the US. I don't think the US will allow a major modernization. Maybe they may allow Gökdoğan and Bozdoğan missiles and some guidance kits.

Depends on how old the F16's are

 

[AzeriTank]

A bit off topic but why is that guy so anti-Turkish? He says buying Italian or French is ok but Turkish is "being fully dependent" why?

and he always lie about Turkish products as it being not testes or as Turkey lies about the specifications. he worked for a western companies before, so here is the answer)

 

[Ryder]

Don't forget Indonesia has sizable number of non-muslim citizen. They have good support from "Western" countries and they would like to see Indonesia become a slave country of Western word. They don't like any Muslim-Muslim cooperation. I have chance of work some of them. There are also some ppl call themselves Muslim and will always against any kind of cooperation between Muslim countries.

A lot of the Christian Indonesians are also anti Turkish too.

Not surprised why they oppose Turkish cooperation.

 

[Kaan Azman]

Wasn't too sure where to put this but considering this thread houses a modernisation project I think it fits here

A series of details on Su-25 LAÇIN modernisation for Azerbaijan by TUSAŞ

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1838667126355431825