Live Conflict Israel-US vs Iran War (2026)

Yasar_TR said:

It is not just with what, it is how concentrated and in abundance the defence systems would be too. Even Korkut like guns and CIWS would be effective on cruise missiles. Also point defence missiles potentially can add to the layered defences.

A city like tel Aviv has a metropolitan area of over 1500square km. A typical airbase would be between 10km2 to 20km2. (Incirlik air base is 13km2) .
Hence much easier to protect than a city, especially when you have concentrated weapon systems in hand. It is easier to saturate a city wide defence system.

A missile with an engagement parameter like ESSM, can theoretically shoot down a Brahmos or ER300 or Rampage class supersonic missiles. Anything more advanced will need Patriot, Sm3 or Arrow.

I find your enthusiasm refreshing, and fully agree with the main theme in your last sentence in ().
But saturating CSG (Carrier Strike Group) armaments will take some doing. A target constantly in motion at 30knots is not targetable with the kinds of ballistic missiles Iran has. You need sophisticated HGVs (Hypervelocity Glide Vehicles) for that.


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You have to plan your moves according to the birds in your hand not according to the birds in the bush.

Of those attack potentials only SOM is in our inventory. (Even that still not fully ready as SOM-C that is going to be used against moving sea targets is still being developed.)
Süper Simsek: not in quantity in the inventory.
Kargi : put on hold and still not in inventory.
K2 : in development stage
Anka3 : Not ready yet. Nor it’s indigenous engine.
ER300 : not in inventory yet
Tayfun 4 : initial testing to be done yet
Gezgin: we only know the name. Not itself.

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Your EDIT part tells a sad story unfortunately. But in my "scenario" I am already allowing a few years before NATO will effectively dissolve, or Israel is able to convince Trump or the next american president. If we use this time with utmost effectiveness, we may have a chance even against the ACs. We don't need HGV for that. We can send 50 Anka-3 each with 6 Super Simsek to saturate the AD of the carrier group, followed with other waves of drones with stand-off missiles, then it may work out fine for us. Of course we should modernize 200 F16s with MURAD AESA radar and Gökdogan+ or Gökbora missiles. And complement this with armed Hürjets and KEs. But if you ask me whether this "scenario" is realistic, unfortunately not. Because there is a difference between having some prototypes vs producing these weapon systems in sufficient numbers and employing them as part of a coherent war tactic/strategy. And in this aspect, we are notoriously bad.

Also, what Israel may try to do is to attack us very soon together with Greece, hoping that US would still have to run to their help, once Israel starts the war. Attacking Türkiye would not send the oil prices to the roof, so ordinary americans would not necessarily object it. And NATO is not valued that much by them anyhow. So this is a real danger, which many "experts" on TV shows appear not to take into account properly. I am not even sure the real "experts" also take it into account, given the ungrounded boasting I hear from many retired army personal (except maybe Erdogan Karakus).

AlperTunga said:

Your EDIT part tells a sad story unfortunately. But in my "scenario" I am already allowing a few years before NATO will effectively dissolve, or Israel is able to convince Trump or the next american president. If we use this time with utmost effectiveness, we may have a chance even against the ACs. We don't need HGV for that. We can send 50 Anka-3 each with 6 Super Simsek to saturate the AD of the carrier group, followed with other waves of drones with stand-off missiles, then it may work out fine for us. Of course we should modernize 200 F16s with MURAD AESA radar and Gökdogan+ or Gökbora missiles. And complement this with armed Hürjets and KEs. But if you ask me whether this "scenario" is realistic, unfortunately not. Because there is a difference between having some prototypes vs producing these weapon systems in sufficient numbers and employing them as part of a coherent war tactic/strategy. And in this aspect, we are notoriously bad.

Also, what Israel may try to do is to attack us very soon together with Greece, hoping that US would still have to run to their help, once Israel starts the war. Attacking Türkiye would not send the oil prices to the roof, so ordinary americans would not necessarily object it. And NATO is not valued that much by them anyhow. So this is a real danger, which many "experts" on TV shows appear not to take into account properly. I am not even sure the real "experts" also take it into account, given the ungrounded boasting I hear from many retired army personal (except maybe Erdogan Karakus).

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@AlperTunga

In this Thread the Topic of a hypothetical turkish Strike on a CSG fit better. We can continue talking here: https://defencehub.live/threads/tur...astern-mediterranean.18577/page-8#post-387009

500 said:

Iran with its low accuracy rockets can only terrorize civilians.

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Where is the difference what you do right now?

I think ultimately what's important is to make sure you have enough air defence systems that the enemy cannot enter and leave your airspace freely. Even when were watching the US/Isreal do this in Iran and yet Iran is still able to hit back with what is comparatively a limited capacity of missiles and cheap drones.

But like i said before with each day that passes, with each day that trump claims victory the more and more this war is looking like America's Ukraine moment.

From a zionist perspective however this is what they wanted, to use american might to harm their enemy. To use the idoit western goy as their rabbis call it, to serve the isrealis murderous regional agenda. However, the big downside to all of this if they fail to topple iran not only will they go nuclear but they will further develop their ballistic and drone capabilities. If Iran goes nuclear pretty soon after Turkiye and a few Arab states will go nuclear too. The only real thing stopping iran developing nuclear weapons was the threat of war. Well the zionists crossed that bridge and went about exterminating their leadership, no doubts now the iranians will 100% go nuclear. From a Turkish perspective, its now impossible for Turkiye to not go nuclear either.

Who would have thought that potentially in the same decade that the "two self-declared global super powers" would engage in wars that would expose both them to not be anywhere near the calibre of what they believed themselves to be.

Chinese will be sitting their thinking how shit Russia is taking on Ukraine, while laughing at the idea that a nation with not even 5% of the military capacity that China has can cause so much trouble to the USA.

seems like another american base is on fire.


i remember not so long ago when an american general was saying that Turkish military assets would become legitimate targets should the Turkish army strike the extreme left wing marxist terrorist organisation.

Its worth keeping in mind that incirlik airbase was being used by the americans to supply the PKK with weapons to use against Turkiye.

Spitfire9 said:

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They are not finished militarily. Every day they launch missiles and drones against their neighbours. The US cannot, from a distance, put an end to aggressive military action by Iran.

3 weeks into the US/Israeli attacks, what have the aggressors achieved?

1 Widespread damage to Iran, its air force and navy
2 ???
3 ???...

The US will temporarily lift sanctions on Iranian oil for 30 days amid the US-Israel war, Treasury Secretary Scott Bessent says, applying only to oil already in transit and not to new orders as global supply shocks continue.

Caspian report on the conflict

iran's 3 thrashhold of pain is

1) munitions which is running low
2) midterm elections which is getting closer
3) global economy which is tanking and disrupting supply chain all the way to munition productions. this also effecting US relationship with european and gulf and east asian allies such as japan and south Korea

iran's objective is to survive

meanwhile israel-US objective is to overthrow the regime for this they need

1) capturing the water way's coast line first to open the water way which they have no plan to do so
2) take the capital which they have no plan to do so
3) prevent now under attacked iran to rush to make the nuclear bomb which they are not able to do so and have no plan to stope them


instead all above all i see from US-Israel side is we blow up 70 years old f4 fighters or we blow up their joke of navy which btw the real threat is their speed boats and under water drones not their frigates time is on Iranian side and they are ,now under attacked, rushing for bomb ironically israel caused them to have nukes which is bad for all of us israel also single handily ending rule based global order as well as ending western alliance

US-Israel are losing this war. none of this would have happened if they accept omani deal which state zero enrichment for 5 years and only enrichment of uranium for 1.5% for their medical needs (in needed in production of cancer medicent) and no stockpiling which means they give u all of those 60% enriched materials as well as the fuel will come from outside for their nuclear power plant and would be used immediately + 24/7 live surveillance via cameras and monthly inspection by international atopic agency


that deal was fantastic for nuclear bomb you need high quality (90%+ enriched materials) and enough quantity of this materials which the deal took away both of them. more time passes the more i start believing that Trump and Netanyahu attacked because of their domestics issues thinking iran will fall in 4 days and boost their popularities now both of them are stuck

Huelague said:

Where is the difference what you do right now?

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Israel is attacking solely military targets + couple times were attacked oil storage and gas. Iran is deliberately targeting civilians.

Overall Israel dropped around 10,000 bombs on Iran. If we attacked civilians there would be over 100,000 civilian deaths in Iran by now.

A residential house has been struck in a US-Israeli attack on Iran’s coastal city of Ramsar, killing a couple and their child, according to the report.

Translate from Hebrew:
During an operational activity of the Air Force in the skies of Iran, a surface-to-air missile was detected firing at an Israeli fighter jet.

The crew acted in accordance with procedures, no damage was caused to the aircraft and the mission was completed as planned.

Since the beginning of the war, several attempts have been made to hit Israeli fighter jets in the skies of Iran, and the air crews have successfully dealt with the threat.

The Air Force will continue to fly and attack wherever necessary throughout Iran and will complete its missions under threat in each operational sortie.

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500 said:

Israel is attacking solely military targets + couple times were attacked oil storage and gas. Iran is deliberately targeting civilians.

Overall Israel dropped around 10,000 bombs on Iran. If we attacked civilians there would be over 100,000 civilian deaths in Iran by now.

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Yeah, it was me who killed 170 civilians (mostly children) bombing school on the first day of operation.

10 years ago i wouldn't understand why jews are globally hated, why they were kicked from every society they lived, why they are known as liars. Now, i think that the amount of negative emotions you guys get is not even nowhere enough, bit luckily it's getting there again after decades.



(Hey mods, why do u even let this guy talk for weeks now? Anyway, here is a reason to ban a member so that you look like you're doing your job. Sincerely.)

infrared said:

(Hey mods, why do u even let this guy talk for weeks now? Anyway, here is a reason to ban a member so that you look like you're doing your job. Sincerely.)

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So,in real life you dont see any people like him(Jews,Israelis),right?
You do not have contact whatsoever with them,right?
There are many where you live,how do you avoid them?
As long as you abide by the forum rules you are welcome here.
This goes for every person in the world!

“Israelian” is not same as “Jews”, and the “zionist” is another meanning.
Anti-Semitism is racism, Zionism is Nazism.
There is also many Jews(Independent Jewish Organization) are anti-war activists and oppose Zionism, but their influence is weak.
Incidentally, under US law, the above statement may constitute anti-Semitism; I forget whether that bill(Antisemitism Awareness Act) was passed or not.：已审查：

Asena_great said:

instead all above all i see from US-Israel side is we blow up 70 years old f4 fighters or we blow up their joke of navy which btw the real threat is their speed boats and under water drones not their frigates time is on Iranian side and they are ,now under attacked, rushing for bomb ironically israel caused them to have nukes which is bad for all of us israel also single handily ending rule based global order as well as ending western alliance

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The thing about the iranians is they will also realise that all the parts of their military which is useless, like their airforce, their navy, their conventional arms will no longer get the same support. That money will be pumped into ballistic missiles and suicide drones instead.

Turkiye should have a contingency where in a war with Isreal her air defences are first saturated by tens of thousands of small drones and once her air defences are depleted for every strategic and important site to then be hit by ballistic missiles and standoff munitions. Not just military targets, but take out her water supply, energy, ports etc.

In this war contingency should also be made to reclaim the rest of cyprus.

Also if we look at gaza, such a tiny strip of land with all her borders surrounded. maybe 10 to 20k palestinian fighters and its not been defeated, despite the isrealis dropping 5 or 6 atom bombs worth of munitions on the place.

breaking news iran hit diego garcia base in middle of indian ocean 4000km away !

pakistani isnt going to go to war against iran to benefit isreal.

There is one aircraft crashed in Iran, waiting for more information.

GoatsMilk said:

The thing about the iranians is they will also realise that all the parts of their military which is useless, like their airforce, their navy, their conventional arms will no longer get the same support. That money will be pumped into ballistic missiles and suicide drones instead.

Turkiye should have a contingency where in a war with Isreal her air defences are first saturated by tens of thousands of small drones and once her air defences are depleted for every strategic and important site to then be hit by ballistic missiles and standoff munitions. Not just military targets, but take out her water supply, energy, ports etc.

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im thinking about same thing we have alot of mountings we should start dig underground middle cities like iran we have better missles then iran like gazap which is strongest non-nuclear explosion

our military is great for projecting powers but i dont think it have good deterrence capabilities 10 years ago wound disagree with nuclear bomb but as we have seen in last years it is high time that we should go for it nato is just a picese of paper and we saw how European react when we shoot down the russian jet in syria and how they behaived even before that since 2000s


here former cheif of general staff hüseyin kıvrıkoğlu saying Europeans are supproting PKK and using their ports to give them logistical support and hiding their support under the cover of human right. this was the first time TSK openly showing hostility toward west this video is from time before AKP which was a pro US party and tried to let americans lunch iraq invasion from turkish territories but failed to get 2/3 majority vote from parliament


here former cheif of general staff hüseyin kıvrıkoğlu in year 2000s put in list of human right violators for trying arrest fetullah gülen ( he fled in 1999 to USA by help of Ecevit ) alos no need to talked about more recent history like prist branson who was a syp or the captured Europeans with Hungarian and Czech passports captured during hendek operation fighting along side PKK against our solders

what west want is to take cyprus create kurdistan and the rest of turkey to be divided into secular turkey in west and islamist turkey in central Anatolia


in current situation with russian USA and iran, the west put hold on their ambitious on turkey but after the war is finished they will come back for us

GoatsMilk said:

In this war contingency should also be made to reclaim the rest of cyprus.

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no need for that but we should certainly annext the northren cyprus to turkish mainland

international law no longer exist

Asena_great said:

im thinking about same thing we have alot of mountings we should start dig underground middle cities like iran we have better missles then iran like gazap which is strongest non-nuclear explosion

our military is great for projecting powers but i dont think it have good deterrence capabilities 10 years ago wound disagree with nuclear bomb but as we have seen in last years it is high time that we should go for it nato is just a picese of paper and we saw how European react when we shoot down the russian jet in syria and how they behaived even before that since 2000s

here former cheif of general staff hüseyin kıvrıkoğlu saying Europeans are supproting PKK and using their ports to give them logistical support and hiding their support under the cover of human right. this was the first time TSK openly showing hostility toward west this video is from time before AKP which was a pro US party and tried to let americans lunch iraq invasion from turkish territories but failed to get 2/3 majority vote from parliament

here former cheif of general staff hüseyin kıvrıkoğlu in year 2000s put in list of human right violators for trying arrest fetullah gülen ( he fled in 1999 to USA by help of Ecevit ) alos no need to talked about more recent history like prist branson who was a syp or the captured Europeans with Hungarian and Czech passports captured during hendek operation fighting along side PKK against our solders

what west want is to take cyprus create kurdistan and the rest of turkey to be divided into secular turkey in west and islamist turkey in central Anatolia


in current situation with russian USA and iran, the west put hold on their ambitious on turkey but after the war is finished they will come back for us



no need for that but we should certainly annext the northren cyprus to turkish mainland

international law no longer exist

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when dealing with the crusaders, they rarely ever attack 1 on 1. So if a war with Isreal takes place you got to expect the greeks at minimum to join the attack against us. Hence why taking the south of cyprus is important.