TR Turkiye's F-35 Project and Discussions

Sanchez · Jul 8, 2026

Bogeyman said:
Türkiye will not only purchase F-35s, but will also continue to produce them for the project.

Turkey getting its F-35s depend on NDAA being fulfilled; putting a new F-35 order depends on congress; Turkey reentering JSF program as a partner depends on all the partners agreeing to it.

Three very different things.

Bogeyman · Jul 8, 2026

Sanchez said:
Turkey getting its F-35s depend on NDAA being fulfilled; putting a new F-35 order depends on congress; Turkey reentering JSF program as a partner depends on all the partners agreeing to it.

Three very different things.

I quoted the senator. The man himself said this.

Pokemonte13 · Jul 8, 2026

Bogeyman said:
I quoted the senator. The man himself said this.

From my experience US senators or general public figures who get elected by the the people are not the smartest. Also being part of the program seems the most unlikely at most we will supply some munitions HGK or som j but other than that? But maybe the experts in this discussion know more?

Pokemonte13 · Jul 8, 2026

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2074953191150534900

Looks like the governments position on the s400 has softened usually they said its done deal know he says ''continue watching us''.
Although this is to large to interpret it gives a direction.

TheInsider · Jul 8, 2026

We should upgrade our 6 F-35s to block 4 standards, with the exception of radar, and take delivery that way. Lockheed offers a Block 4 upgrade without the nose bulkhead change for older F-35s. This way, we can use older APG-81 radars with block 4 configuration. The downside is that unless the nose bulkhead is changed, we can't use APG-85 radar in the future.

Saithan · Jul 9, 2026

If we ever get them sure, let's make sure to have them upgraded to newest standard.

But like it was so nicely pointed out. F35 should be history for us, and only use able for training, gauging its capabilities compared to our fleet of F16, EF, KAAN in the future, but nothing is set in stone yet.

No need to count what we don't have in hand.

boredaf · Jul 9, 2026

If we are going to get any F-35s beyond what has already been produced for us we should simply alter our deal to get F-35B's instead of F-35A. That would at least be logical to have until we can make a naval variant Kaan.

Afif · Jul 9, 2026

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2074883052350607631

Afif · Jul 10, 2026

Türkiye's S-400s headed to third country, sale to be finalized July 10: Report - Türkiye Today

Türkiye's Russian-made S-400 air defense systems are reportedly being sold to a Gulf country, with the sale expected to be announced on Friday

www.turkiyetoday.com

@Sanchez @TheInsider

Sanchez · Jul 10, 2026

Afif said:
Türkiye's S-400s headed to third country, sale to be finalized July 10: Report - Türkiye Today

Türkiye's Russian-made S-400 air defense systems are reportedly being sold to a Gulf country, with the sale expected to be announced on Friday

www.turkiyetoday.com

@Sanchez @TheInsider

I shared it in FoPo topic but this has so many possible results that we can actually discuss it under 5 different topics. This was a big claim, Rusian say discussions continue. But it looks like something big is afoot.

TheInsider · Jul 10, 2026

What I heard is that S400 to UEA and Qatar is on the table . Russia is bullish on the issue and wants to buy back its own system from the UAE or Qatar. It is likely that we are selling S400 back to Russia in a complex roundabout way, not to hurt relations with Ukraine.

MonteCarlo · Jul 10, 2026

TheInsider said:
What I heard is that S400 to UEA and Qatar is on the table . Russia is bullish on the issue and wants to buy back its own system from the UAE or Qatar. It is likely that we are selling S400 back to Russia in a complex roundabout way, not to hurt relations with Ukraine.

Something like we sell it to Qatar/UAE, it goes to Russia for the necessary modifications. Then goes missing and never comes back?

TheInsider · Jul 10, 2026

MonteCarlo said:
Something like we sell it to Qatar/UAE, it goes to Russia for the necessary modifications. Then goes missing and never comes back?

After we sell it to Qatar/UAE it is their system and their decision what to do with it.

nick.f76 · Jul 10, 2026

In a radio show were they were discussing geopolitical stuff a few years ago they said how unlike us Greeks who give everything to the USA and the West and don't take anything back in return, how Turkey is with Russia then with USA and the West, then with Russia again then with the USA and the West again and what will you, Russia, offer us to be on your side? And what will you, USA and the West, offer to us to be on your side?
They said Turkey gains things playing between the two, the East and the West, but at one point the time will come to chose, East or West? The geopolitical analyst said Turkey will chose the West and when they do Turks should know that the Russian bear bites and it will be a nasty bite for Turkey.
If you say look at Ukraine and the difficulty the Russians face there. They were saying yesterday on the radio if Putin wants he can pick up the phone, give an order and finish Ukraine yesterday. They claimed with all Russia's casualties there is a reason they don't put all their strength there. Now, if something happens in the straights and Russia puts all its strength against Turkey? And I don't believe it will be Turkey against just Russia, or against just Greece, or against just Israel. Until know with all the strength of the Turkish army and your military industry you fought and won rebels and in countries already devastated and destroyed by civil wars. The Turkish army choses where to fight. On 1922 and 1974 when the Greek army fought seriously you won nothing. The Greek politicians messed things. That from Manzikert until 1974 and Imia 1996. If you check what really happened every time a Turkish army wone(?) a Greek army. Wone(?) because each single time we lost from Turks the politicians interfered and messed things and it is the bad habbit we Greeks have since Ancient Greece and... the Greek army won the Greek army and not the Turkish army which takes the glory and talks big.

If they give the F-35s do you thing they will give them to you to use them against Greece and Israel? If they help you to reinforce your army they want you to use it against Russia. There are people here in Greece who claim USA didn't sell us the F-35s to use against Turkey, but against Russia. They claim if there was a war between Greece and Turkey we shouldn't be surprised if we couldn't even turn them on.

dBSPL · Jul 10, 2026

TheInsider said:
After we sell it to Qatar/UAE it is their system and their decision what to do with it.

Üstad, if a transfer to the United Arab Emirates or Qatar occurs, how will the offsetting work? Will Turkiye receive military systems in exchange for the S-400 system, will another debt issue arise, or will these countries commit to funding certain projects or companies in Türkiye?

TR_123456 · Jul 10, 2026

nick.f76 said:
If they give the F-35s do you thing they will give them to you to use them against Greece and Israel? If they help you to reinforce your army they want you to use it against Russia. There are people here in Greece who claim USA didn't sell us the F-35s to use against Turkey, but against Russia. They claim if there was a war between Greece and Turkey we shouldn't be surprised if we couldn't even turn them on.

You need to relax man,nobody wants a war with Greece.

TheInsider · Jul 10, 2026

dBSPL said:
Üstad, if a transfer to the United Arab Emirates or Qatar occurs, how will the offsetting work? Will Turkiye receive military systems in exchange for the S-400 system, will another debt issue arise, or will these countries commit to funding certain projects or companies in Türkiye?

They will probably pay us some money, less than what we paid to Russians and that is it. We will be at a net loss.

myNameJeff-17 · Jul 10, 2026

nick.f76 said:
In a radio show were they were discussing geopolitical stuff a few years ago they said how unlike us Greeks who give everything to the USA and the West and don't take anything back in return, how Turkey is with Russia then with USA and the West, then with Russia again then with the USA and the West again and what will you, Russia, offer us to be on your side? And what will you, USA and the West, offer to us to be on your side?
They said Turkey gains things playing between the two, the East and the West, but at one point the time will come to chose, East or West? The geopolitical analyst said Turkey will chose the West and when they do Turks should know that the Russian bear bites and it will be a nasty bite for Turkey.
If you say look at Ukraine and the difficulty the Russians face there. They were saying yesterday on the radio if Putin wants he can pick up the phone, give an order and finish Ukraine yesterday. They claimed with all Russia's casualties there is a reason they don't put all their strength there. Now, if something happens in the straights and Russia puts all its strength against Turkey? And I don't believe it will be Turkey against just Russia, or against just Greece, or against just Israel. Until know with all the strength of the Turkish army and your military industry you fought and won rebels and in countries already devastated and destroyed by civil wars. The Turkish army choses where to fight. On 1922 and 1974 when the Greek army fought seriously you won nothing. The Greek politicians messed things. That from Manzikert until 1974 and Imia 1996. If you check what really happened every time a Turkish army wone(?) a Greek army. Wone(?) because each single time we lost from Turks the politicians interfered and messed things and it is the bad habbit we Greeks have since Ancient Greece and... the Greek army won the Greek army and not the Turkish army which takes the glory and talks big.

If they give the F-35s do you thing they will give them to you to use them against Greece and Israel? If they help you to reinforce your army they want you to use it against Russia. There are people here in Greece who claim USA didn't sell us the F-35s to use against Turkey, but against Russia. They claim if there was a war between Greece and Turkey we shouldn't be surprised if we couldn't even turn them on.

The opinion of Greek so called geopolitical analysts isn't worth the paper it is written on.
Cozy up to Russia and Germany will make sure you Greeks bring your own medication to hospital visits for the next 30 years, considering the money they're pouring into the military and Ukraine

dBSPL · Jul 10, 2026

TheInsider said:
They will probably pay us some money, less than what we paid to Russians and that is it. We will be at a net loss.

The transfer of second-hand military systems would never be equal to the initial acquisition costs. That's acceptable. But, for example, if this deal were with Qatar; it could be offset against the 'bare aircraft' price that Türkiye has to pay for 24 EFTs, or perhaps we could even acquire ownership of 4 C-17s on top of that, hehe. Anyway, if barter possibilities aren't on the table, let's hope this transfer happens as soon as possible.

dBSPL · Jul 10, 2026

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2075534675389428188

"Turkiye did not pay $2.5 billion for the S-400s. The project included the firm purchase of one system and an option for a second system that was never purchased. We only purchased the first system. An estimated payment of between $1.25 and $1.5 billion was made."

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