TR Turkiye's F-35 Project and Discussions

[Pete Mitchell Maverick]

I agree with you. F35s are "nice to have" at this point, I surely want them. But we are not as desperate as for F35 like 4-5 years ago. Certainly they are very good aircrafts, we can learn a lot, use in NATO drills, can create real deterrence but outside 5-6 F35s in hangars, they are not coming in 4-5 years. Even Trump give them us, by the time F35s coming, KAAN, KE, ANKA 3, EF, Özgürs as well as air defence systems wil be entering the inventory with meaningful numbers. Not to mention missiles, kamikaze uavs, battleships etc. F35s are no longer is a "must" as once was, we will be just fine.

Having said that, removing CAATSA is much more important than the arrival of F35s.

I completely agree, word for word. I don't hate the F-35, but unfortunately, the Turkish public seems to be fixated on it and is largely unaware of the other major developments taking place.

For me, the approval of the F110 engines and the lifting of the CAATSA sanctions are tremendous achievements. However, the media and much of the Turkish public remain stuck on the F-35 issue. By the time KAAN Block 10, the Eurofighter, the ÖZGÜR F-16, KIZILELMA, ANKA III, and several other programs are ready in the medium term, the F-35 will no longer be a must-have for Türkiye.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

I am in two minds about this. I don't want a single penny going to US , and at the same time I understand the need for a stop-gap solution to our AF.
Like you said it'll only mean less money/effort going into our own projects.

İts not only finacial problem but aslo security as F35 is computer machine with alot of sensors that can spy and transfer data to US (israel) and as US fear from S400 aslo we should fear from presence of F35 . İf Türkiye has abbility to disamble F35 and look at every device and screw inside and change some of them like main computers and sensors than its another matter but better not to take it . US is not stupid that want to give it to us now , We pay our destruction with our money just same as Pagers of Hezbollah

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2074883052350607631

Bipartisan signal from senior Congress members on F-35s for Turkiye after Trump announced yesterday that he will lift CAATSA sanctions.

Top Democratic senator on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, during a briefing to reporters in Ankara: "If there is an acceptable way to deal with the S400 and the threat that that poses to the technology and the F35 and there is satisfactory agreement on the part of all parties about that, then I think having Turkey back in the F35 program would be a positive development both for Turkey and for the United States. But we have, we still have questions to answer with respect to what's being proposed."

Senator Mike Rounds: "Turkey is a major NATO contributor, and anything that we can do to provide them with the resources to be an even stronger adversary with regard to incursions by Russia in Europe, the better off we all are. And one of those is to have that tool, of the F-35."

Mike Turner: "The details that have been shared with us, the details so far do appear to be promising."

Senator Lindsey Graham also said yesterday that he is open to a potential F-35 delivery to Turkiye though he adds "there might be some pushback in Congress"

Türkiye will not only purchase F-35s, but will also continue to produce them for the project.

 

[Sanchez]

Türkiye will not only purchase F-35s, but will also continue to produce them for the project.

Turkey getting its F-35s depend on NDAA being fulfilled; putting a new F-35 order depends on congress; Turkey reentering JSF program as a partner depends on all the partners agreeing to it.

Three very different things.

 

[Bogeyman]

Turkey getting its F-35s depend on NDAA being fulfilled; putting a new F-35 order depends on congress; Turkey reentering JSF program as a partner depends on all the partners agreeing to it.

Three very different things.

I quoted the senator. The man himself said this.

 

[Pokemonte13]

I quoted the senator. The man himself said this.

From my experience US senators or general public figures who get elected by the the people are not the smartest. Also being part of the program seems the most unlikely at most we will supply some munitions HGK or som j but other than that? But maybe the experts in this discussion know more?

 

[Pokemonte13]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2074953191150534900

Looks like the governments position on the s400 has softened usually they said its done deal know he says ''continue watching us''.
Although this is to large to interpret it gives a direction.

 

[TheInsider]

We should upgrade our 6 F-35s to block 4 standards, with the exception of radar, and take delivery that way. Lockheed offers a Block 4 upgrade without the nose bulkhead change for older F-35s. This way, we can use older APG-81 radars with block 4 configuration. The downside is that unless the nose bulkhead is changed, we can't use APG-85 radar in the future.

 

[Saithan]

If we ever get them sure, let's make sure to have them upgraded to newest standard.

But like it was so nicely pointed out. F35 should be history for us, and only use able for training, gauging its capabilities compared to our fleet of F16, EF, KAAN in the future, but nothing is set in stone yet.

No need to count what we don't have in hand.

 

[boredaf]

If we are going to get any F-35s beyond what has already been produced for us we should simply alter our deal to get F-35B's instead of F-35A. That would at least be logical to have until we can make a naval variant Kaan.

 

[Afif]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2074883052350607631

 

[Afif]

Türkiye's S-400s headed to third country, sale to be finalized July 10: Report - Türkiye Today

Türkiye's Russian-made S-400 air defense systems are reportedly being sold to a Gulf country, with the sale expected to be announced on Friday

www.turkiyetoday.com

@Sanchez @TheInsider

 

[Sanchez]

Türkiye's S-400s headed to third country, sale to be finalized July 10: Report - Türkiye Today

Türkiye's Russian-made S-400 air defense systems are reportedly being sold to a Gulf country, with the sale expected to be announced on Friday

www.turkiyetoday.com

@Sanchez @TheInsider

I shared it in FoPo topic but this has so many possible results that we can actually discuss it under 5 different topics. This was a big claim, Rusian say discussions continue. But it looks like something big is afoot.

 

[TheInsider]

What I heard is that S400 to UEA and Qatar is on the table . Russia is bullish on the issue and wants to buy back its own system from the UAE or Qatar. It is likely that we are selling S400 back to Russia in a complex roundabout way, not to hurt relations with Ukraine.

 

[MonteCarlo]

What I heard is that S400 to UEA and Qatar is on the table . Russia is bullish on the issue and wants to buy back its own system from the UAE or Qatar. It is likely that we are selling S400 back to Russia in a complex roundabout way, not to hurt relations with Ukraine.

Something like we sell it to Qatar/UAE, it goes to Russia for the necessary modifications. Then goes missing and never comes back?

 

[TheInsider]

Something like we sell it to Qatar/UAE, it goes to Russia for the necessary modifications. Then goes missing and never comes back?

After we sell it to Qatar/UAE it is their system and their decision what to do with it.

 

[nick.f76]

In a radio show were they were discussing geopolitical stuff a few years ago they said how unlike us Greeks who give everything to the USA and the West and don't take anything back in return, how Turkey is with Russia then with USA and the West, then with Russia again then with the USA and the West again and what will you, Russia, offer us to be on your side? And what will you, USA and the West, offer to us to be on your side?
They said Turkey gains things playing between the two, the East and the West, but at one point the time will come to chose, East or West? The geopolitical analyst said Turkey will chose the West and when they do Turks should know that the Russian bear bites and it will be a nasty bite for Turkey.
If you say look at Ukraine and the difficulty the Russians face there. They were saying yesterday on the radio if Putin wants he can pick up the phone, give an order and finish Ukraine yesterday. They claimed with all Russia's casualties there is a reason they don't put all their strength there. Now, if something happens in the straights and Russia puts all its strength against Turkey? And I don't believe it will be Turkey against just Russia, or against just Greece, or against just Israel. Until know with all the strength of the Turkish army and your military industry you fought and won rebels and in countries already devastated and destroyed by civil wars. The Turkish army choses where to fight. On 1922 and 1974 when the Greek army fought seriously you won nothing. The Greek politicians messed things. That from Manzikert until 1974 and Imia 1996. If you check what really happened every time a Turkish army wone(?) a Greek army. Wone(?) because each single time we lost from Turks the politicians interfered and messed things and it is the bad habbit we Greeks have since Ancient Greece and... the Greek army won the Greek army and not the Turkish army which takes the glory and talks big.

If they give the F-35s do you thing they will give them to you to use them against Greece and Israel? If they help you to reinforce your army they want you to use it against Russia. There are people here in Greece who claim USA didn't sell us the F-35s to use against Turkey, but against Russia. They claim if there was a war between Greece and Turkey we shouldn't be surprised if we couldn't even turn them on.

 

[dBSPL]

After we sell it to Qatar/UAE it is their system and their decision what to do with it.

Üstad, if a transfer to the United Arab Emirates or Qatar occurs, how will the offsetting work? Will Turkiye receive military systems in exchange for the S-400 system, will another debt issue arise, or will these countries commit to funding certain projects or companies in Türkiye?

 

[TR_123456]

If they give the F-35s do you thing they will give them to you to use them against Greece and Israel? If they help you to reinforce your army they want you to use it against Russia. There are people here in Greece who claim USA didn't sell us the F-35s to use against Turkey, but against Russia. They claim if there was a war between Greece and Turkey we shouldn't be surprised if we couldn't even turn them on.

You need to relax man,nobody wants a war with Greece.

 

[TheInsider]

Üstad, if a transfer to the United Arab Emirates or Qatar occurs, how will the offsetting work? Will Turkiye receive military systems in exchange for the S-400 system, will another debt issue arise, or will these countries commit to funding certain projects or companies in Türkiye?

They will probably pay us some money, less than what we paid to Russians and that is it. We will be at a net loss.