TR Turkiye's F-35 Project and Discussions

[Pete Mitchell Maverick]

I agree with you. F35s are "nice to have" at this point, I surely want them. But we are not as desperate as for F35 like 4-5 years ago. Certainly they are very good aircrafts, we can learn a lot, use in NATO drills, can create real deterrence but outside 5-6 F35s in hangars, they are not coming in 4-5 years. Even Trump give them us, by the time F35s coming, KAAN, KE, ANKA 3, EF, Özgürs as well as air defence systems wil be entering the inventory with meaningful numbers. Not to mention missiles, kamikaze uavs, battleships etc. F35s are no longer is a "must" as once was, we will be just fine.

Having said that, removing CAATSA is much more important than the arrival of F35s.

I completely agree, word for word. I don't hate the F-35, but unfortunately, the Turkish public seems to be fixated on it and is largely unaware of the other major developments taking place.

For me, the approval of the F110 engines and the lifting of the CAATSA sanctions are tremendous achievements. However, the media and much of the Turkish public remain stuck on the F-35 issue. By the time KAAN Block 10, the Eurofighter, the ÖZGÜR F-16, KIZILELMA, ANKA III, and several other programs are ready in the medium term, the F-35 will no longer be a must-have for Türkiye.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

I am in two minds about this. I don't want a single penny going to US , and at the same time I understand the need for a stop-gap solution to our AF.
Like you said it'll only mean less money/effort going into our own projects.

İts not only finacial problem but aslo security as F35 is computer machine with alot of sensors that can spy and transfer data to US (israel) and as US fear from S400 aslo we should fear from presence of F35 . İf Türkiye has abbility to disamble F35 and look at every device and screw inside and change some of them like main computers and sensors than its another matter but better not to take it . US is not stupid that want to give it to us now , We pay our destruction with our money just same as Pagers of Hezbollah

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2074883052350607631

Bipartisan signal from senior Congress members on F-35s for Turkiye after Trump announced yesterday that he will lift CAATSA sanctions.

Top Democratic senator on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, during a briefing to reporters in Ankara: "If there is an acceptable way to deal with the S400 and the threat that that poses to the technology and the F35 and there is satisfactory agreement on the part of all parties about that, then I think having Turkey back in the F35 program would be a positive development both for Turkey and for the United States. But we have, we still have questions to answer with respect to what's being proposed."

Senator Mike Rounds: "Turkey is a major NATO contributor, and anything that we can do to provide them with the resources to be an even stronger adversary with regard to incursions by Russia in Europe, the better off we all are. And one of those is to have that tool, of the F-35."

Mike Turner: "The details that have been shared with us, the details so far do appear to be promising."

Senator Lindsey Graham also said yesterday that he is open to a potential F-35 delivery to Turkiye though he adds "there might be some pushback in Congress"

Türkiye will not only purchase F-35s, but will also continue to produce them for the project.

 

[Sanchez]

Türkiye will not only purchase F-35s, but will also continue to produce them for the project.

Turkey getting its F-35s depend on NDAA being fulfilled; putting a new F-35 order depends on congress; Turkey reentering JSF program as a partner depends on all the partners agreeing to it.

Three very different things.

 

[Bogeyman]

Turkey getting its F-35s depend on NDAA being fulfilled; putting a new F-35 order depends on congress; Turkey reentering JSF program as a partner depends on all the partners agreeing to it.

Three very different things.

I quoted the senator. The man himself said this.

 

[Pokemonte13]

I quoted the senator. The man himself said this.

From my experience US senators or general public figures who get elected by the the people are not the smartest. Also being part of the program seems the most unlikely at most we will supply some munitions HGK or som j but other than that? But maybe the experts in this discussion know more?

 

[Pokemonte13]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2074953191150534900

Looks like the governments position on the s400 has softened usually they said its done deal know he says ''continue watching us''.
Although this is to large to interpret it gives a direction.

 

[TheInsider]

We should upgrade our 6 F-35s to block 4 standards, with the exception of radar, and take delivery that way. Lockheed offers a Block 4 upgrade without the nose bulkhead change for older F-35s. This way, we can use older APG-81 radars with block 4 configuration. The downside is that unless the nose bulkhead is changed, we can't use APG-85 radar in the future.