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It has been confirmed that the Azerbaijan airways plane was shot down by the Russian air defense system.

Corrupt SoBs knew that this was inexplicable stupidity, so they refused to allow the plane to make an emergency landing in Nalchik, Vladikavkaz, or Makhachkala and wanted it to crash into the Caspian Sea. But the pilots managed to make a heroic effort.

My condolences again to those who lost their lives, a speedy recovery to the wounded and get well soon to our Azerbaijani brothers and sisters.
 

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And this is where we are now: Some low IQ conspiracy theorists seem to have found a Turkish HAARP ship. It flooded Spain. lol


I'll often have arguments with Turkish Islamists, and I truly believe that the more radical elements are threats to our society.

BUT, I must say that even the dumbest of our Islamists aren't as stupid as your average western Christian conspiracy theorist. Like seriously, these guys will believe anything.
 

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It has been confirmed that the Azerbaijan airways plane was shot down by the Russian air defense system.

Corrupt SoBs knew that this was inexplicable stupidity, so they refused to allow the plane to make an emergency landing in Nalchik, Vladikavkaz, or Makhachkala and wanted it to crash into the Caspian Sea. But the pilots managed to make a heroic effort.

My condolences again to those who lost their lives, a speedy recovery to the wounded and get well soon to our Azerbaijani brothers and sisters.
Not only that but the Russians were also jamming GPS systems in the vicinity. Because the pilots' job wasn't hard enough already you see.
 
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i like to discuses alternative history of Turkish republic especially before and during ww2 and the possiable gain we could had if we entered the war. can i randomly create a thread for this topic ? ??
 

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i like to discuses alternative history of Turkish republic especially before and during ww2 and the possiable gain we could had if we entered the war. can i randomly create a thread for this topic ? ??
WW2 alternative history can be fun. Then, let me say what I have in mind right away: I can't help but wonder what would have happened if the Turkish army had declared war on Nazi Germany in June/July 1944, when the Axis had lost Italy, the Russians had reached Romania in the east, and the allied forces had begun to land on the French coast, in other words, when the march to Berlin had begun. The Turkish army could have captured the eastern Aegean islands within 6-8 miles and some Turkish majority Western Thrace at that time, and after the war, it would not have left Western Thrace without gaining autonomy in this area, also the 12 Islands may have been returned to the Turkish state as should be.
 
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WW2 alternative history can be fun. Then, let me say what I have in mind right away: I can't help but wonder what would have happened if the Turkish army had declared war on Nazi Germany in June/July 1944, when the Axis had lost Italy, the Russians had reached Romania in the east, and the allied forces had begun to land on the French coast, in other words, when the march to Berlin had begun. The Turkish army could have captured the eastern Aegean islands within 6-8 miles and some Turkish majority Western Thrace at that time, and after the war, it would not have left Western Thrace without gaining autonomy in this area, also the 12 Islands may have been returned to the Turkish state as should be.
by that time the war was already won and they wouldn't gave anything to us beside with what army ?? what food ?? people were starving because of ismet Inonu's wrong economical polices + the war were fought around us and there was no road and infrastructure hence most of our agriculture product were wasted. beside im more Aç Göz then you are lol im not ok with only 12 islands. lot of things need to be done before ww2 let me give you my 2 cent
 
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first ataturk should live longer and lead us during ww2 hence ismet inonu's economic polices wont be a problem

imperlist powers always start a rebellion in ottoman empire then jumping demand independence similarly ataturk started rebellion in Mosul and Kirkuk by Turkmens ( back in that time there were majority in the region) ataturk prepared for military operation to retake these lands on base of these Turkmens wants to be reunited with turkey and ask league of nation to be judge however British started Sheikh Said rebellion and argued that then kurds wants independence as well which lead us to forget about Mosul


in this version şeyh said rebellion never happened and we took Kirkuk and Mosul back in 1924 15 years before ww2 allowing us to have access to oil as well as more farmland which generate more food and money also oil is critical for creating more roads which would better connect our rural areas which had 80% f our population and prevent our agriculture products to go to waste critical.

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with red and purpled i colored the new turkish borders in syria and iraq. i tried to lock the border to some natural barriers such as hills rivers and mountains ​

now we oil + dollars and new roads + food surplus we had enough recourse to have strong world class airforce as for land forces no need to have large amount of tanks but rather small but modern and effective force.

creating airforce can be achieved either by buying aircrafts from superpowers or created them it locally. since education level still is low 1923 its was 6% in 1938 it was 23%, in that case we may use some Jewish intellectuals who are running away from nazi germany though i should state that they should be hired as state employee hence all the designs should be belongs to the state. and they would have come since no country not even Americans accepted them at that time.

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Vecihi K-VI was the first aircraft desinged by Vecihi Hürkuş 1923 tho it was modest but it had many poetical if we had recourses by 1924/1925 we would be taken over Mosul and Kirkuk and with oil problem of both fuel and money would be solved addistionally with the new roads we would be able to extract metals in anatolia more efficiently. with the help of Jewish academia this project would be speed up and eventually turn into respected single engine fighter airplane

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alternativly we could buy/ license produce Fokker G1 which was suited for our need considering our limited resources after 60 Fokker G1s produced germany attacked netherland just like jewish academia we may could convinse the dutch to move to turkey and produce airplane or sell the design. Fokker G1 had 8 machine guns in front and with 2 engine it had good speed and range. the aircraft had 2 models with a bombing bay beneath or add 3rd crew to man a machine gun on the top. this aircraft is a average but it can fill all role of air superiority, interceptor, ground support and bomber and it have long range and high speed which is perfect for ur situations as we had limited resources and limited aircraft production capabilities



after having our airforce fixed with fokker g1 or domestic single engine aircraft or mix of both, its time to move on our next target Cyprus !!!!

we should pressure British over Cyprus from 1924 all the way to 1941 to hand over Cyprus try to even bribe them since Churchill was willing to give Aegean island in exchange for us to entering the war and germany declear war on US on 11 December 1941 so by beginning of 1941 there is no US or soviet help and British are alone. by april of 1941 germany takes greece as well as island of crete and rommel kicking the British in north Africa. whether with promising to fight the German or threatening to join the Germans we must get Cyprus before operation Barbarossa which start at 22 June 1941

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by 22 June 1941 Operation Barbarossa starts 1 month later in July 1941 British attacked Syria which was held by Vichy France and capture it
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as you can see biritish move in from east or south east we can easily capture the coasts, Aleppo, Qamishli and Raqqa before they do as i have drawn in the pervious map with red and purple while British would get the rest

whether with making deal with British or Germany we would get this land which add more resource and farm land. just like Japan and Germany were allies but Germany refuse to declare war on soviets we will declare war on Vichy France but convince Germany that we will give them metals like iron or chromium and limited oil they dispersedly needed if they let us have these lands or we will join with British and cute the metal exports. when Barbarossa is in full swing and Germany start struggling we will keep making threats to cut the oil and metal unless Germany force Vichy France to make peace with us and give the land to us.

we spend next years lobbing in Washington and London on how and when enter the war while gather resources training our army storing food and oil for the war now with both soviets and the US entering the war we will wait for 1944 with British victorious in north Africa US about to land in Normandy and soviets pushing Germans to Romina we declare war on Germany and attack the island as well as Bulgaria and german occupied Greece

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we take all bulgaria and part of romaine before they had chance to change side as well as the islands and Greece. after the war in balkans the area that i marked in red which is locked to hills or river will be granted to turkey for war contributions

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these areas will be the last territories the Turkish republics will gain in balkans aegean sea and Mediterranean during ww2

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final map smaller then misak i milli but still covers all the geopolitical needs and lock our borders to hills mountains and rivers
 

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Suzuki Jimny'si olan var mı ? Almayı düşünüyorum yakında ne dersiniz agalar ?
Hey guts anyone got Suzuki Jimny ? What do you guys think about this car ?
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Suzuki Jimny'si olan var mı ? Almayı düşünüyorum yakında ne dersiniz agalar ?
Hey guts anyone got Suzuki Jimny ? What do you guys think about this car ?
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If you want a small reliable off-roader*, yes. If you want a daily driver for the city, clearly no.

* personally would pick the Toyota Hilux instead, great car.
 

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If you want a small reliable off-roader*, yes. If you want a daily driver for the city, clearly no.

* personally would pick the Toyota Hilux instead, great car.
Toyota Hilux is good yes , but its a pickup and want smaller car. I looked everywhere and other off roader cost so much money (like 8 to 10 million TL). This one (Jimny) cost only 1.9 Million TL brand new. Can you think of another 4x4 by similar price ? Maybe i am missing something. (I dont wanna buy the Jimny and regret later on)
 

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Toyota Hilux is good yes , but its a pickup and want smaller car. I looked everywhere and other off roader cost so much money (like 8 to 10 million TL). This one (Jimny) cost only 1.9 Million TL brand new. Can you think of another 4x4 by similar price ? Maybe i am missing something. (I dont wanna buy the Jimny and regret later on)
You should really test drive one, Suzuki is not really known for driving well, and material is also not great, that car is also very, very small seeing it in real life might change your mind.
Look into the Subaru XV or Toyota Yaris Cross, both 4x4, very reliable, affordable, low fuel consumption and probably in the same price range.

Note: In case it's needed you can mount a Docka on the Hilux, Jimny has not such capabilities, so it's worth a thought...
 

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Jimny is more a kei class.

Its practical, small and does the job. I think Suzuki uses Toyota engines.

Honestly when it comes to cars do your research also test drive. Play hardball with car dealers.

I would avoid anything European and American unless you have the money to afford spare parts and maintence for them.

Have you ever looked into Hyundai? I drive a 2024 Hyundai I30 N Line premium sedan. In Europe or Turkiye I think its called the Elantra.

I really thought about buying a brand new I30/Elantra N but could not bring myself to pay extra 15K AUD for a performance practical car. I went with the N line because its sporty, practical, comfortable and does the job. Im never gonna do track days or even adjust dampers or suspensions.

Even in racing games I play I never touch the tuning options at all.
 

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Jimny is more a kei class.

Its practical, small and does the job. I think Suzuki uses Toyota engines.

Honestly when it comes to cars do your research also test drive. Play hardball with car dealers.

I would avoid anything European and American unless you have the money to afford spare parts and maintence for them.

Have you ever looked into Hyundai? I drive a 2024 Hyundai I30 N Line premium sedan. In Europe or Turkiye I think its called the Elantra.

I really thought about buying a brand new I30/Elantra N but could not bring myself to pay extra 15K AUD for a performance practical car. I went with the N line because its sporty, practical, comfortable and does the job. Im never gonna do track days or even adjust dampers or suspensions.

Even in racing games I play I never touch the tuning options at all.
I will look at Hyundai. İf i buy the Jimny eventually i will upgrade suspention , add new exhaust and ladder and top rails. Buy i am getting ahead of myself. There are alot of Jimny's in Australia i think.
I have one question for you ; Can I order some autoparts from Australia ? Do you know anything about that ? I know it will be twice as expensive but there are literally no other option.
 

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I will look at Hyundai. İf i buy the Jimny eventually i will upgrade suspention , add new exhaust and ladder and top rails. Buy i am getting ahead of myself. There are alot of Jimny's in Australia i think.
I have one question for you ; Can I order some autoparts from Australia ? Do you know anything about that ? I know it will be twice as expensive but there are literally no other option.

Jimnys are really popular in Australia.

Lots of spares due to Australia being close to Japan.
 

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I will either go for a jimny (Probably in June) or wait a year and perhaps get a land for a villa. I am undecided.
 
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