barak-8 range given in picture is for Single-Stage rocket engine
if we compare it correctly Double-Stage rocket engine it is 150km
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Think it from other perspective of "safety problem". Enemy launch missile which will hit and kill many people.........When deploying siper near cities within Turkey. Doesn't the booster falling from the missile pose a safety problem, as it may fall on someone and kill him.
Barak 8 is very slow missile . İt's speed just mach 2 that's why it could reach longer range.barak-8 range given in picture is for Single-Stage rocket engine
if we compare it correctly Double-Stage rocket engine it is 150km
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What would you say about SAMP-T with Aster 15/30 that have huge boosters? SAMP-T is very operational.Think it from other perspective of "safety problem". Enemy launch missile which will hit and kill many people.........
So Turkiye army launch Siper for intercept enemy missile...........................few moment later enemy missile is shot down by Siper
Many people will be save it. But in you logic at same time Siper booster will fall on someone or fall on some animal?! What you talking about?
I just reply for post of "RaptorF22".... "Doesn't the booster falling from the missile pose a safety problem, as it may fall on someone and kill him. "What would you say about SAMP-T with Aster 15/30 that have huge boosters? SAMP-T is very operational.
I think @Anmdt has given the answer to your post here.Knock knock anybody there?
Can someone confirm the length of the SİPER?
470cm ?, 530 cm?, 580cm?
@Yasar what is your opinion about it?
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But it would also be cost effective right ?Barak 8 is very slow missile . İt's speed just mach 2 that's why it could reach longer range.
Please Recall speed of ESSM.
Unfortunately no official data about HİSAR/SİPER.
ESSM has a “top” speed close to 4 Mach. It uses a dual thrust engine for propulsion. That means the fuel has two components :Barak 8 is very slow missile . İt's speed just mach 2 that's why it could reach longer range.
Please Recall speed of ESSM.
Unfortunately no official data about HİSAR/SİPER.
Do you think HİSAR or Siper could engage artillery rockets that are tiny and mach 3 Speed? I doubt it. Maybe it could.e.g if katyush missile or any other is launched from 30 km in Syria, Iraq etc. How fast can we destroy it ?
ESSM has a “top” speed close to 4 Mach. It uses a dual thrust engine for propulsion. That means the fuel has two components :
1. A fast burning component that gives initial high speed
2. A slow burning component that sustains high speed.
Our hisar and Siper range missiles use dual Pulse engines. That means, the missile uses half the fuel to achieve a high speed first then coasts. When it has acquired the target, the second part of fuel is used to gain speed and reach 3.5-4 Mach speed for terminal phase in order not give any chance of missing the target.
Do you think HİSAR or Siper could engage artillery rockets that are tiny and mach 3 Speed? I doubt it. Maybe it could.
@UkroTurkThey are too expensive to be used against artillery rockets.
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Iron dome missile system of Israel is built to defend against incoming mortar and artillery shells and rockets as well as ballistic missiles and air breathing cruise missiles and planes.
With the exception of unguided 122mm multi launch rocket systems artillery rockets like trg230 and trg300 are not that cheap. Even if they may be cheap to use, you have to think about what it will cost you to let them slip through and destroy a tank or armoured vehicle with many lives in it.
A layered Air Defence system consisting of Siper, Hisar, Sungur, Korkut when completed should be capable of stopping most of the artillery shells and rockets as well as other missile threats, no matter the cost. In effect it should work like the iron dome and intercept even the mortar shells irrespective of the cost.
Korkut CIWS ideal for this role.Iron Dome was specifically developed to engage such threats. Thus, economics was very important. A Tamir missile costs 100k. Hisar and Siper will be too expensive to use against artillery shells. Another low cost system need to be developed
Of course economics are important. But when it is human lives in question and valuable assets you wish to protect, economics go out of the window. You may have to use a 100thousand dollar missile to stop a 1thousand dollar shell.Iron Dome was specifically developed to engage such threats. Thus, economics was very important. A Tamir missile costs 100k. Hisar and Siper will be too expensive to use against artillery shells. Another low cost system need to be developed
When the Japanese planned to build 2 Aegis Ashore systems a few years ago, there were concerns about SM-3 and SM-6 boosters falling down on civilian areas and causing collateral damage. As such, plans to build Aegis Ashores were met with considerable opposition. In the end, they've replaced their plans with 2 Aegis destroyers equipped with the same radar (AN/SPY-7), for that exact reason. Though we should consider two key reasons the Japanese were able to replace a land based SAM system with a naval system : Any kind of ballistic or long range missile threats the Japanese face are from the west across the ocean. Also, the Japanese hold air and maritime superiority in the region their Aegis destroyers assigned for BMD will operate in, against NK and the Chinese.When deploying siper near cities within Turkey. Doesn't the booster falling from the missile pose a safety problem, as it may fall on someone and kill him.
Not all attacks could be warned early enough that you could guarantee there would be no civilian collateral damage, which is the exact reason why the things I've explained above happened. Though we should always consider the opportunity cost of such balance. Most of the times, the benefit of AMD is much greater than the possibilities of civilian collateral damage that could be caused by the missile's booster.Bruh, if this thing is fired from a civilian area aint nobody going to be outside for sure. It will probably be marshall law and all civilians will be sheltered. Hopefully it doesn't come to that.
I am sure Greek ones working well at least when not used.