TR Air Defence Programs

[Combat-Master]

I am sure Greek ones working well at least when not used.

Not just the S300, PAC-2 also facked up a few times in Saudi Arabia

 

[Brokengineer]

Not just the S300, PAC-2 also facked up a few times in Saudi Arabia

It is Best to have your own. Even if it fails, you could find a solution for enhancements while you could almost do nothing with foreign purchase. That is why Siper is our today and will be our future

 

[Baris]

gdh defense: When will the Gökdoğan and Bozdoğan air-air missiles enter the inventory?
Industry and Technology Minister Varank:
Gökdoğan and Bozdoğan air-to-air missiles will enter the inventory at the end of this year or, at the latest, in the first quarter of next year.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1564675566959312899

 

[NitricAcid]

gdh defense: What kind of work does the SSB do on anti-ballistic missile defense systems?

SSB President İsmail Demir: Our goal is to create, step by step, a system that can defend to the extreme point of ballistic missiles at various speeds that can come from various ranges.

 

[Afif]

From Mr demir's previous statement it seems by 2026/27 SSB will develop something like this.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Mr. Ismail Demir: "Our goal was to detonate Siper missile near target but the missile hit the target aircraft with a hit to kill."

 

[Brave Janissary]

About Siper In Naval Platforms ;

Our İ class first ship Tcg İstanbul Laid Down in 2017 and they are doesnt enter the service before the 2023 (6 years.)
There is no sign about Tf-2000 so that's mean minimum 7 year we dont see any Tf-2000 in navy inventory. Even if we produce 3 tf-2000 in same time after the first destroyer we need a minimum 12-14 year for acceptable air defence capability.

Our country have a good targets about open sea mission force, protecting anadolu also we have a enemies who have a good air launched anti ship missiles. So we need Air defence ship. So we have a 2 ships of Barbaros Mlu (meko track-ıı's) and İstif's who capable to launch siper kind missile with his sensor suit, bms, vertical launching capabilities.

But there is a one problem our ships vertical launching capability is doesnt enough and sipers diameter is more than essm due his booster for quadpacking.

In this point we can work on Doublepack for Siper's. What is the diameter of booster. I think its like sm-2 diameter. Usa navy worked before for sm-2's doublepack capability.

We dont need a change vls we just change a catridge type of this vls's . Just because this packable missiles loaded to vls in catridge.

And if we achieve it 16x Siper + 32x Quadpackable Hisar or Essm + Genesis Advent + Cenk-s or Smart-s/Mar-d is good solution for stop gap needs.

 

[UkroTurk]

Quadpackable

Hisar is not slimmer than SIPER. İf you could Quadpack Hisar, it means you also could Quadpack SİPER. But i agree with you doublepack canisters would be great solution. Combination of 32 SIPER with GÖKDENİZ ER would be solid.

 

[Oublious]

 

[Profchaos]

Do we know the speed of siper block 0?

 

[Afif]

Do we know the speed of siper block 0?

Mach 3 to 3.5.

 

[Oublious]

Do we know the speed of siper block 0?

mach 3,5 or 4,5.

 

[Afif]

Here is new statement regarding SIPER. It seems they are designating the existing siper as block1 https://www.savunmasanayist.com/murat-ikinciden-siper-hava-savunma-sistemi-aciklamasi/

 

[Yasar_TR]

Murat İkinci'den SİPER Hava Savunma Sistemi Açıklaması

Roketsan Genel Müdürü Murat İkinci, SİPER Hava Savunma Sistemi hakkında açıklamalarda bulundu. SİPER, birkaç ay içerisinde envantere girecek.

www.savunmasanayist.com

It looks like Siper Block-1 will enter TSK inventory at the beginning of 2023.
There have been a lot of interest for Siper from abroad as well.
Apparently Aselsan, Roketsan and Tubitak-Sage trio have been cooperating to help this project happen.

Sungur
HisarA+
Hisar O+
Hisar RF
Siper-Block1

will form the initial layered Air Defence System of Turkey, until 150km range Siper Block-2 comes in to play.

 

[Heartbang]

man, these hisar and siper versions confuse me immensely :/
it would be nice for someone knowledgeable to brief us about all these missiles

 

[Merzifonlu]

After a range of 150 km, and especially if you want an anti-ballistic defense system, things suddenly become difficult. Then you start playing by the rules of a completely different game. Rockets need to be extremely fast. Radars and algorithms also need to be very superior etc. In my opinion, it's not a stand-alone job if you don't have an economy on the scale of the USA or China. Let's see what will happen.

 

[Yasar_TR]

LEVENT Yakın Hava Savunma Sistemi'nin Son Durumu

Roketsan Genel Müdürü Murat İkinci, LEVENT Yakın Hava Savunma Sistemi hakkında açıklamalarda bulundu. LEVENT'in atışlı testlerine yakın gelecekte başlanılacak.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Roketsan’s Levent point defence system is being prepared to start first firing tests soon.
This RAM look-alike defence system will use upgraded Sungur missiles with RF seeker heads. The system is such that the missiles could also be guided from the mission radar of the platform it is being fired from.
As well as our own ships using the system, land forces will be able to use it as part of the layered air defence.
The Sungur missiles are very agile and proven themselves to be very capable. To improve them so that their range and operational altitude is enhanced will make them very deadly.
Since US have been reluctant to sell the RAM missiles to Turkey for her new ships, this system will replace the Rolling Airframe Missiles with better ones when we start fitting them on our new I-Class or TF2000 ships, OPVs and especially on our FAC platforms.
It is also interesting to note that the RAM systems in Milgem Corvettes are running very low in number of missiles available as new missiles are not being sold by the US.
Once Levent and the new Sungur missiles are in the inventory, the US can stick their RAMs…..

 

[UkroTurk]

LEVENT Yakın Hava Savunma Sistemi'nin Son Durumu

Roketsan Genel Müdürü Murat İkinci, LEVENT Yakın Hava Savunma Sistemi hakkında açıklamalarda bulundu. LEVENT'in atışlı testlerine yakın gelecekte başlanılacak.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Roketsan’s Levent point defence system is being prepared to start first firing tests soon.
This RAM look-alike defence system will use upgraded Sungur missiles with RF seeker heads. The system is such that the missiles could also be guided from the mission radar of the platform it is being fired from.
As well as our own ships using the system, land forces will be able to use it as part of the layered air defence.
The Sungur missiles are very agile and proven themselves to be very capable. To improve them so that their range and operational altitude is enhanced will make them very deadly.
Since US have been reluctant to sell the RAM missiles to Turkey for her new ships, this system will replace the Rolling Airframe Missiles with better ones when we start fitting them on our new I-Class or TF2000 ships, OPVs and especially on our FAC platforms.
It is also interesting to note that the RAM systems in Milgem Corvettes are running very low in number of missiles available as new missiles are not being sold by the US.
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Up up up . We are looking forward to seeing

 

[Afif]

After a range of 150 km, and especially if you want an anti-ballistic defense system, things suddenly become difficult. Then you start playing by the rules of a completely different game. Rockets need to be extremely fast. Radars and algorithms also need to be very superior etc. In my opinion, it's not a stand-alone job if you don't have an economy on the scale of the USA or China. Let's see what will happen.

Actually, from ismall demir previous statement it seems the 150km block ii ( or iii ? ) will have the ABM capability.

Balistik füze önleme kabiliyetli SİPER, 2026'da hazır

SSB Prof. Dr. İsmail Demir, Haber Global kanalında yayınlanan "Kayıt Altında Özel" programında Saynur Tezel'in sorularını cevapladı.

www.defenceturk.net

And I don't think super power size economy is needed for that. I mean for example korea developing similar system to thaad on their own. And the new french italian aster 30 block 1nt already capable of SRBM defence. So why can't turkey do it on their own?

However, shooting down ICBM with exoatmopheric interception is a totally a superpower's bussinesse.

 

[NitricAcid]

Video Interview:
Roketsan General Manager Murat Ikinci:

"SIPER with a range of 150 kilometers is coming."