TR Air Defence Programs

Cabatli_TR · Jul 23, 2023

Göksur naval point defence missile system

Sanchez · Jul 23, 2023

dBSPL said:
Idef-23 is a declaration to the world that we have gained air defense capability in all layers

I'll be the first to say this when we have these in service in needed numbers, not before though.

Oublious · Jul 23, 2023

How important a layerad airdefence program is, west is wasting billions of dollar equipments in Ukrain...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1683046858615140352

Huelague · Jul 23, 2023

Boykaz said:
Turkish pantsr

The reverse engineering of Panzir come to an end.

Trakya_forever · Jul 23, 2023

Yeah Turkish Pantzir. But it has much more than Pantsir.

Heartbang · Jul 23, 2023

Cabatli_TR said:
Göksur naval point defence missile system

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Bozdoğan is longer than RAM missile. It could out-do SeaRAM's I reckon.

Khagan1923 · Jul 23, 2023

Oublious said:
How important a layerad airdefence program is, west is wasting billions of dollar equipments in Ukrain...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1683046858615140352

Thats not a NASAMS. But a SPADA system from spain.

Cabatli_TR said:
Göksur naval point defence missile system

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Now I am interested if the Navy will have this baby added to TCG Anadolu. We know that the plan was 2x Phalanx and 1-2x RAM for TCG Anadolu but due to sanctions only Phalanx was sold to us.

Also right now it seems Aselsan/Tübitak is winning the race for a RAM replacement. Unless of course Roketsan intends to show something off too

But in more likelihood Levent will be resevered for smaller ships while Göksur will see use on bigger ships such as LHD,Destroyer,AC,LST imo.

Afif · Jul 23, 2023

Sanchez said:
I'll be the first to say this when we have these in service in needed numbers, not before though.

Each mechanized/armor company would need one 1x system.
That means 9x system per brigade.

TKK has around 22 armored/mechanized brigades. (According to wiki count)

That is means 198x systems
for armored/mechanized formation only.

And then There are motorized elements of the army.

Let's say, here 1x system per battalion.

Probbaly each GURZ will cost around $17-20 millions.

I guess, realistically they will porbbaly equipped 1/2 divisions with such capability for now.

Gary · Jul 23, 2023

Afif said:
When it comes to missile, it won't. (Even though Turkish missiles are cost effective compared to Werstern ones)

However, cold war era concept of AAA gun once again making a comeback (and rightfully so) due to the proliferation of cheap and easily mass produced kamikaze drones.

Aselsan Korkut
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In a nutshell, this is how armies around the world are planning to fight against cheap kamikaze drones.

But also, these system has dual use.
For example, nowadays artillery and mortars are becoming incredibly accurate due to implementation precision guidance kit and automatic fire control system.
(And we all saw how heavy armor and mechanized vehicle has been hammered by accurate artillery fire on both sides in Russia-Ukraine conflict)

And These highly responsive automated AAA guns could potentially shoot down mortars and artillery rounds in a cost effective manner.

This is just the interim, next gen solution will be found in directed microwave anti drone swarms weapons.

Leonidas High-Power Microwave System, US

Leonidas is a high-power microwave (HPM) technology-based directed energy weapon system developed by US-based technology company Epirus to provide counter-uncrewed aerial system (C-UAS) capabilities.

www.army-technology.com

Heartbang · Jul 23, 2023

Afif said:
That is means 198x systems
for armored/mechanized formation only.

They should order 400x. to kick the economies of scale into high gear and lower the costs.

Heartbang · Jul 23, 2023

Gary said:
This is just the interim, next gen solution will be found in directed microwave anti drone swarms weapons.

Leonidas High-Power Microwave System, US

Leonidas is a high-power microwave (HPM) technology-based directed energy weapon system developed by US-based technology company Epirus to provide counter-uncrewed aerial system (C-UAS) capabilities.

www.army-technology.com

Good that we catch up fast

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1683058409338290176

Finally, ASELSAN's microwave weapon with HPM antenna has shown itself.

Developed for IED threats, this vehicle can also find a role as an anti-drone vehicle

BalkanTurk90 · Jul 23, 2023

dBSPL said:
Idef-23 is a declaration to the world that we have gained air defense capability in all layers, except BMD, and there are only a few countries that have this capability independently, on this wide scale. The 10 years of dedication and effort in this area is one of the issues that raises our hopes for our work in other areas.

Yes you right but still there is no mass production of those weapons .
Whats if total war starts tomorow??
All those systems are for show for now and this make me very angry and upset .
Cant Tu4kiye order 200-400 systems mass production of those Gürz , Siper etc?

UkroTurk · Jul 23, 2023

4xAESA plates
35mm autocannon/smart ammunition
4x Bozdoğan Missiles
6x Sungur Missiles

F.kkkk finally! Please load on I -Class, Ada class.

Cabatli_TR · Jul 23, 2023

According to @SavunmaSanayiST.com Göksur will have 3 version.

Quasar · Jul 23, 2023

Just a thing to remember Bozdağan when air launched was a mach 4 missile

Rim 116 mach 2+
Barak 8 mach 2
Aster 15 mach 3

Afif · Jul 23, 2023

Quasar said:
Just a thing to remember Bozdağan when air launched was a mach 4 missile

Then in its ground launched version it would be around Mach 3.

Unlike RIM 116 it has TVC, so expect it to be more capable against supersonic targets.

Huelague · Jul 23, 2023

Quasar said:
Barak 8 mach 2

Mach 3+.

Quasar · Jul 23, 2023

Huelague said:
Mach 3+.

''NAVAL'' barak 8 is a crazy missile with a dual-pulse rocket motor, active radar seeker and a two-way data link but mach 2. just for the sake of clearification I am not claiming that Bozdoğan is far more superior than the enlisted missiles but just simply reminding the fact that Bozdağan was an uncommonly fast fox two missile.