TR Air Defence Programs

[Sanchez]

Roketsan Burç Short Range AD System. 4 fixed AESA radars, 20mm Gun, 8 Sungurs on 2 pods on the sides, built on top of FNSS İzci 8X8. And they already made the first firing test for the gun. Looks like another small UAV/kamikaze drone killer.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1683417890333118472

Got me thinking.

Digital camo on it very much resembles the current Ukrainian one. Ukraine would love such a system. Wonder if we will see it up north in the near future.

 

[Bogeyman]

Roketsan Burç Short Range AD System. 4 fixed AESA radars, 20mm Gun, 8 Sungurs on 2 pods on the sides, built on top of FNSS İzci 8X8. And they already made the first firing test for the gun. Looks like another small UAV/kamikaze drone killer.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1683417890333118472

Main weapon - 8 Sungur Manpads
Maximum 8 km minimum 500m range
4 km altitude
Pre-fire lock-up mode
High explosive partial penetrating warhead
Automatic target tracking and IIR guidance
Auxiliary weapon - 20mm 3-barreled gun
360 degree turret swivel capability
Hemispherical radar coverage
Multi-platform integration

 

[UkroTurk]

Roketsan Burç Short Range AD System. 4 fixed AESA radars, 20mm Gun, 8 Sungurs on 2 pods on the sides, built on top of FNSS İzci 8X8. And they already made the first firing test for the gun. Looks like another small UAV/kamikaze drone killer.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1683417890333118472

WTF. They went crazy. How many air defense systems are we going to see?
Akıyor maşallah

 

[Khagan1923]

There is also something on Aselsan‘s stand named Gökkubbe btw.

 

[UkroTurk]

Roketsan Burç Short Range AD System. 4 fixed AESA radars, 20mm Gun, 8 Sungurs on 2 pods on the sides, built on top of FNSS İzci 8X8. And they already made the first firing test for the gun. Looks like another small UAV/kamikaze drone killer.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1683417890333118472

ZSU 23 Shilka is crying why i am outdated.
Burç will replace all Shilkas especially in the middle east.

 

[Saithan]

ZSU 23 Shilka is crying why i am outdated.
Burç will replace all Shilkas especially in the middle east.

IMO This vehicle needs some sort of Pulat/Akkor system.

It's one of those vehicles that'll get taken out because it's moving around a lot due to it's mobility and it's SRAD setup.

If we're going to look at where and how it's going to be used I'd say chances of running into someone with ATGM is quite high.

Aside from being quite versatile it could easily be used as pseudo IFV.

 

[Lool]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1683157565037748224

It looks like the Turkish version of the Pantsir but more advanced and cooler

 

[UkroTurk]

It looks like the Turkish version of the Pantsir but more advanced and cooler

İt's absolutely not Pantsir variant .

Pantsir doesn't have AESA Plates, doesn't use smart ammunition.
And missiles of Pantsir have very simple guidance.
Absolutely not to worth matching.

I would say İt is Turkish 35mm caliber version of German Skyranger CIWS.

 

[Sanchez]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1683157565037748224

Re Gürz,

Thinking about it, I wonder how is it supposed to be used. As a standalone unit or part of a system?

Where is the crane? No way 2 people can reload the Bozdoğans after the 4 are fired. Needs a truck with a crane. If it is to be standalone, it only has 4 short-mid range missiles.

 

[Huelague]

İt's absolutely not Pantsir variant .

Pantsir doesn't have AESA Plates, doesn't use smart ammunition.
And missiles of Pantsir have very simple guidance.
Absolutely not to worth matching.

I would say İt is Turkish 35mm caliber version of German Skyranger CIWS.

As you know, we got some Panzir system from Libya war. It’s very likely that we reverse engineered this system.

 

[Tornadoss]

As you know, we got some Panzir system from Libya war. It’s very likely that we reverse engineered this system.

I am not sure there 's much we can obtain from Pantsir. We already head the tech.

 

[Huelague]

I am not sure there 's much we can obtain from Pantsir. We already head the tech.

I can’t say, if we gained anything or how much.

 

[Isbara]

İt's absolutely not Pantsir variant .

Pantsir doesn't have AESA Plates, doesn't use smart ammunition.
And missiles of Pantsir have very simple guidance.
Absolutely not to worth matching.

I would say İt is Turkish 35mm caliber version of German Skyranger CIWS.

May be we obtained and learned how to pack such complex and sensitive systems in such compact platforms.
Missiles, missile guidence and all those radars and sensors also it has a 35 mm gun. It is very hard to pack those systems in a little area like a wheelled APC. Space is not the only problem. Also u should ısolate those systems not to interrupt each other, guns recoil and vibrations due to gun fire should not affect the sensitivities of the sensors etc.

May be Pantsir provided our engineers some inspirations on those matters.

 

[UkroTurk]

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As you know, we got some Panzir system from Libya war. It’s very likely that we reverse engineered this system.

Pantsir could have given nothing to Türkish defense industry and technology. We had already own AESA radars at that time. More over there's nothing common between Pantsir with Turkish CIWS.

Turkish CIWS uses smart ammunition but Russian pantsir uses idiot ammo .( Again at that time we already had Korkut)

Regarding Missiles of Pantsir, pantsir's missiles is nothing but junk. They dç have neither radar seeker nor IIR seeker. Just command line of side and proximity fuse. Really peace of junk.
At that time we already had Bozdoğan/ gökdoğan missiles. Our Ciws uses Bozdoğan missile which has IIR seeker and has datalink capabilities.

 

[UkroTurk]

May be we obtained and learned how to pack such complex and sensitive systems in such compact platforms.
Missiles, missile guidence and all those radars and sensors also it has a 35 mm gun. It is very hard to pach those systems in a little area like a wheelled APC. Space is not the only problem. Also u should ısolate those systems not to intercept each other, guns recoil and vibrations due to fun fire should not affect the sensitivities of the sensors etc.

May be Pantsir provided our engineers some inspirations on those matters.

At that time even me shared load of pictures of CIWS from the world.

İmagine if i could have found on internet CIWS with missiles, ASELSAN engineer must have found more .

We had already Korkut at that time.

We didn't need to learn something from Russians.
We copied German technology as it was in the past. Oerlikon GDF /Gepard / Millenium gun etc.

 

[Heartbang]

I can’t say, if we gained anything or how much.

We probably gained how NOT to make a CIWS system

 

[Isbara]

At that time even me shared load of pictures of CIWS from the world.

İmagine if i could have found on internet CIWS with missiles, ASELSAN engineer must have found more .

We had already Korkut at that time.

We didn't need to learn something from Russians.
We copied German technology as it was in the past. Oerlikon GDF /Gepard / Millenium gun etc.

Yes but I do not think that our engineers examined all those systems deeply.
Russian system was really a unique of it's kind. Had some many flaws but i always liked the idea.

We did not copied anything from Russians. We just tried to understand their solutions. We did not copy Pantsir. We got the idea behind it and made it perfect. That's the case.

 

[UkroTurk]

We got the idea behind it

They are just idiots

 

[Isbara]

They are just idiots

Why u say that ?
An agile, rapidly deployable and highly mobile system that can escort military convoys, can be rapidly deployed on a crisis zone, can provide low altitude air defence for forward military encampments etc...

Okay some what they sucked in the execution or could not modernized their obsolete systems, such as fire control or guidance etc.

But i still like the idea behind it.

 

[UkroTurk]

Anyway how many new Turkish air defense systems and surface to air missiles are there? Someone could count?

Gürz CIWS/35 mm SPAAG/SHORAD Bozdoğan missiles.
Burç CIWS/SPAAG/VSHORAD 20mm Gatling gun/Sungur

Göksur naval air defense system(Bozdoğan A2A based)
Levent naval air defense system and new missile.
Gökdemir ( Gökdoğan A2A missile ground launcher)

SWORD/ KILIÇ??? Processing.